there's more to an offense than "Rondo being brilliant". it's also about the coach's schemes and also having the proper personnel knowing what to do and having the ability to carry it out. i would wager that Pierce, Allen, and KG are among the most intelligent players in the league (and the most talented as well), up there with the Kobe's, Gasol's, Lebron's, etc. etc. Guys who just have a great knack of playing the game. Add Shaq into that list as well (though his abilities have diminished).
It's true that there's more to the offense than Rondo, it's also true that the offense is significantly worse when Rondo's not in the game. Paul and Ray and KG and Shaq (among others) all had the most or nearly most efficient scoring seasons of their careers last year. Rondo's a big part of that. He's better at spotting open players and hitting them with the right pass at the right time than anyone else in the league.
yes, this is true because Rondo is very good. Rondo > Delonte/Nate/Marbury/Cassell/House, clearly. but saying things like "like anyone else in the league" goes back to my point of not watching CP3 (or any other PG) except when you see them on sportscenter.
A few points:
1) Watching sportcenter generally gives someone an overly high opinion of a player, not an overly low opinion of that player. They tend to show all of the best or most exciting plays someone makes.
2) It's fairly smug to go around claiming that the reason people disagree with your opinion is because they only see the player on sportscenter.
3) I don't watch very much sportscenter. My opinion of CP3 comes from seeing him play in games. True, I don't see him play 90 or so times a year like I do with Rondo, but IMO I see enough of his play to form a reasonable opinion of his skillset.
For the record, I never said that CP3 wasn't the best pg in the game or that CP3 wouldn't improve our offense. I just feel the improvement will be smaller than many people expect.
A few points:
1) you can say "wow he's amazing" or you can say "he's just all about highlights", which is actually a more common notion of the more serious basketball fans. or when he shows a bratty side of himself, you can say "he's so selfish" or if he doesn't show up much on the show, you can say "he's not that good".
None of those things have any thing to do with the discussion though. One thing you can't say is "he makes all sort of amazing passes, but none of them ever end up on Sportscenter".
2) it's equally as pompous to say "no one else in the league can do that" or "better than anyone else in the league" and take it as fact. how about former MVP Steve Nash who made guys like Q-Rich and Raja Bell look crazy efficient on offense?
It might be pompous for Rondo to say "no one else in the league can do that". There's a big difference between my saying "Rondo's the best passer in the league" and "Rondo's the best passer in the league, and people who disagree with this must not watch enough of his games to know one way or the other". Which *would* be pompous.
Q-Rich had a slightly but not greatly above average year when he was on the Suns. Bell was efficient more because of the offense than Nash. Raja's shooting was also a little better than average with the Suns but took more 3 pointers in those years than other years.
3) i watch it on occasion. i watch the games and as he goes, the Hornets go.
Which sounds a lot like "as goes Rondo, so goes the Celtics" which you hear all the time.
4) i do think CP3 is the best PG in the league. and if we're going into 2012 with a fresh start, i'd rather have CP3 as a starting piece than Rondo because he's better overall and he can attract FA names better (like Dwight). And if we're going into 2011 with championship aspirations, i think CP3 will improve our chances. it's not a sure thing because LA & Miami are still pretty legit, but i think our chances would increase.
I think the $64,000 question is his knee. Is he going to get back to the player he was before the injury?
it had nothing to do with the discussion because your statement of "Watching sportcenter generally gives someone an overly high opinion of a player, not an overly low opinion of that player." had nothing to do with it either. you missed the point. the whole point of alluding to sportscenter is that by watching it, regardless of what opinion you can form from watching the show, you don't get a more-or-less accurate assessment of a player. the only way you can form a good opinion is by watching a player play consistently. so whether you form a high opinion of a player, or a low opinion differs with the viewer. the fact that the opinion is based on that, however, is what makes it flawed.
and fine, maybe pompous was the wrong word to use. so what is it? deluded? imo, the statement which you take practically as fact, the one where you say that no other PG in the league can do it quite like Rondo, is wrong. and so i raised a point to question that. Of course, my questioning needs to be based on something, and i'm basing it on the fact (which you have admitted to) that you haven't been really watching other PG's. It's like someone saying "this burger is the juiciest!" when he hasn't really gone to much other burger places. if that paints me as smug, then fine. call me smug. at least i'm contributing and pushing the conversation to go in right places.
and post-Suns, Q-Rich is garbage. if he ever became slightly above average, then that's something. the injury question is tricky but let's not forget that Rondo isn't that healthy either.
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