CB Draft Team Of The Future Discussion

[dark_lord]

are there any guidelines as to what constitutes team of the future?  are we specifically talking under a certain age (if so, what age?), how far in the future are we talking (a couple seasons or 6,7 yrs from now?)

any guidance would help in my assessment.

[Who]

are there any guidelines as to what constitutes team of the future?  are we specifically talking under a certain age (if so, what age?), how far in the future are we talking (a couple seasons or 6,7 yrs from now?)

any guidance would help in my assessment.

There are no guidelines. You can choose your own criteria.

I am considering how a team is likely to fare 3 to 5 years from now. That time period. Two seasons to grow. This season and next year. Then a three year window (years 3, 4 and 5) to compete for a title.

Which team looks the strongest in that window?

[jgod213]

Conspiracy

Ty Lawson - 23 years old
Deandre Jordan - 23 years old
Serge Ibaka - 21 years old
Kawhi leonard - 20 years old
Bismack Biyombo - 19 years old

If kept together, this assembly of talent would be absolutely lethal in about 2, 2 and a half seasons.  At that point you're talking Ty Lawson, DeAndre Jordan, and Serge Ibaka just entering their prime years.  Leonard is expected to contribute this year for the Spurs and should be well poised after 2 plus full seasons.

ADD TO THAT you'd have Kevin Martin around, still ballin for a couple of high quality/efficiency seasons.

I'd assume that SJax would be about done by then, if around at all, while JO would be completely finished; however, having those guys around for a season or two to infuse leadership and hard work into those young guys is huge.

Really the only wildcard is Biyombo.  His ceiling is basically unknown.  Having Jordan and Ibaka around means that Biyombo's growth isn't of paramount importantce, BUT, if he did develope into something close to what a lot of scouts predict, he could end up being the best player of the 2011 draft and a defensive gamechanger/all-nba defender.

A 3-man defensive rotation of Ibaka-Jordan-Biyombo is potentially lethal in a way no current team in the NBA possesses. I don't know much about Kawhi Leonard.

Lots of good talent, no potential elite players as I see it.

You don't think Serge Ibaka or Biyombo have the potential to be elite defensive players? Ibaka already is an elite defensive player with a pretty reliable 15 ft jumpshot.

He doesn't have the potential to be an elite player, he might develop an elite skill or into an elite role player.

No potential MVPs, no all-nba first talent, that sort of elite player.

Why doesn't Ibaka have that potential? He's only 21 years old and is arguably the best help defender in the game already. In one year he improved his jumpshot to where he's consistently reliable from 12-15 ft.  If he developes a decent post game he's a borderline superstar. No one is saying he WILL be one, but he still has the potential at just 21.

I don't think Biyombo has the acumen to be an elite offensive player, but he has all the tools and the team player attitude to be what serge ibaka is right now. 

This on Leonard from MyNBADraft.net:

"Defensively, he shows great promise at being an elite stopper. He uses his length and athleticism very well to create turnovers and quickly turns them into points in transition. One concern I do have is that Kawhi sometimes seems to disappear on the offensive end. He needs to make himself more assertive by demanding the ball from his teammates. I would compare his game to someone like Trevor Ariza."

Obviously this team would not be the most offensively efficient team, but Kevin Martin would still be there along with Ty Lawson in his prime.  Those two thrive in fast-breaking offenses - which is the one area in which all four of my youngsters thrive in.  Jordan/Ibaka/Biyombo/Leonard can all move and can all sky.  Again, halfcourt offense would be a grind but defensively there would be no better interior defense in a couple of years.

[Fafnir]

Conspiracy

Ty Lawson - 23 years old
Deandre Jordan - 23 years old
Serge Ibaka - 21 years old
Kawhi leonard - 20 years old
Bismack Biyombo - 19 years old

If kept together, this assembly of talent would be absolutely lethal in about 2, 2 and a half seasons.  At that point you're talking Ty Lawson, DeAndre Jordan, and Serge Ibaka just entering their prime years.  Leonard is expected to contribute this year for the Spurs and should be well poised after 2 plus full seasons.

ADD TO THAT you'd have Kevin Martin around, still ballin for a couple of high quality/efficiency seasons.

I'd assume that SJax would be about done by then, if around at all, while JO would be completely finished; however, having those guys around for a season or two to infuse leadership and hard work into those young guys is huge.

Really the only wildcard is Biyombo.  His ceiling is basically unknown.  Having Jordan and Ibaka around means that Biyombo's growth isn't of paramount importantce, BUT, if he did develope into something close to what a lot of scouts predict, he could end up being the best player of the 2011 draft and a defensive gamechanger/all-nba defender.

A 3-man defensive rotation of Ibaka-Jordan-Biyombo is potentially lethal in a way no current team in the NBA possesses. I don't know much about Kawhi Leonard.

Lots of good talent, no potential elite players as I see it.

You don't think Serge Ibaka or Biyombo have the potential to be elite defensive players? Ibaka already is an elite defensive player with a pretty reliable 15 ft jumpshot.

He doesn't have the potential to be an elite player, he might develop an elite skill or into an elite role player.

No potential MVPs, no all-nba first talent, that sort of elite player.

Why doesn't Ibaka have that potential? He's only 21 years old and is arguably the best help defender in the game already. In one year he improved his jumpshot to where he's consistently reliable from 12-15 ft.  If he developes a decent post game he's a borderline superstar. No one is saying he WILL be one, but he still has the potential at just 21.

Ibaka isn't the best help defender in the league, Chandler, KG, Howard, Bogut all come to mind ahead of him. He has the potential to get their, but it remains to be seen if he will.

He's developed a respectable jump shot, but I really haven't seen the seeds of the all around game you need to be an elite player in this league.

[Edgar]

I'll throw out the Cavaliers (Griffin, Rubio) and Samurai (Love, Jimmer, a ton of other young talent) for consideration.

couh cough


Love is a Panda  Runner up for ROY

as is Tyreeke Evans ROY

DJ Agustin , most improved PG

Chandler, Breaking out Athlethe



So come on PANDAS ARE THE WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!!


The small pabndas will son to be the strongest team you never acccept they are


PANDAS FOR TOF!

p.s. We still have Brands contract to bring some more young talent too

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I don't think there is a Team of the Future in this draft.

Maybe Detroit but that would be conditional on Greg Oden getting healthy and staying healthy.

I'd consider the Army Ants as the team of the future.

Monta is already an all star caliber player at 25. DeMarcus Cousins is  a potential low post beast and is only 21. Andray Blatche is only 24 is already an offensive threat, just needs to lear to play good team defense and will be a solid starter. Both Mario Chalmers, Andris Biedrins and Terrence Williams are capable of starting on any team and are all just 25, T-Will especially with his athletic ability and good court vision. Chalmers is already a proven quality point and could give better production with more minutes. Beans is a solid center, just need to get his confidence back which could be remedied by giving him a role that fits him perfectly or a coaching staff change, but being a solid rebounder and defending is there.

Rashard and RJ are still capable of playing 2-3 solid years so there will be veterans playing with the young guys (while most of the young guys have been in the league for long already anyway).

And since this team was looking like lottery bound, the Ants will have a shot getting a franchise changing rookie. Harrison Barnes, Austin Rivers, Jared Sullinger, Anthony Davis, Michael Gilchrist, Terrence Jones, Kendall Marshall are all possibilities.

I say the Ants have a good shot of being the team of the future.

[Edgar]

DJ Agustin  MIP
Ty Evans     ROY
Wilson Chandler   MIP this year?
Kevin Love ROY runner up

And  youre still saying theres no team of the future

COME ON!!!

VOTE PANDA!!

you better weight in, the idea

[Bahku]

I guess there's no real guidelines as to qualifying for "Team of the Future", but I see no other team that is as "young" and "talented", or has as much potential for the future as Miami, (especially with Jimmer as the PG of the future, who a lot of people are already expecting to be Rookie of the Year). I also don't think there was anyone else who started building their team early-on with the specific intent of being as young and talented as possible, but with some experience and start power to guide. Add a couple of defensive pieces over the next couple of years, and this team is a nightmare for others to face. As it is they can fast-break, pick-and-roll, attack the basket, and shoot the lights out.

** If you aren't familiar with my rookies, please check out my press conference here ... there's some amazing talent here. **



Ages:

20 - Tristan Thompson
21 - Keith Benson
22 - Jimmer Fredette, Jerryd Bayless, Evan Turner, J.J. Hickson, Keith Benson
23 - Brook Lopez
25 - Daniel Gibson
27 - Carmelo Anthony
28 - Devin Harris
29 - Francisco Garcia, Hakim Warrick


(Trade a couple of these older guys for some talented defense)








2011 CB Draft
(Miami Heat)
 

*  SOUTH  BEACH  SAMURAI  *
Bahku - General Manager

Pos.	Starting Five	Height	Weight	FG%	3PT%	FT%	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	Efficiency	PPG
C    -	Brook Lopez	7 - 1	265	.492	.000	.787	6.0	1.6	0.6	1.5	+18.44	20.4
PF  -	J.J. Hickson	6 - 9	242	.458	.000	.673	8.7	1.1	0.6	0.7	+14.91	13.8
SF  -	Carmelo Anthony	6 - 8	230	.455	.378	.838	7.3	2.9	0.9	0.6	+24.75	25.6
SG -	Francisco Gracia	6 - 7	195	.436	.362	.855	2.3	1.2	0.9	0.8	+  9.71	9.7
PG -	Devin Harris	6 - 3	190	.420	.326	.828	2.4	7.1	1.2	0.2	+15.27	15.2
Start	Averages:	6 - 8	224	.452	.355	.796	5.3	2.8	0.8	0.7	+16.62	16.9
C   -	Keith Benson	6 -11	230	.547	.392	.643	10.1	1.1	0.8	3.6	+22.94	17.9
PF -	Hakim Warrick	6 - 9	219	.511	.000	.721	3.7	0.9	0.4	0.1	+  8.70	8.4
SF -	Evan Turner	6 - 7	205	.425	.318	.808	3.9	2.0	0.6	0.2	+10.00	7.2
SG -	Evan Turner	6 - 7	205	.425	.318	.808	3.9	2.0	0.6	0.2	+10.00	7.2
PG -	Jerryd Bayless	6 - 3	200	.422	.336	.806	2.3	3.7	0.5	0.1	+10.08	9.2
Sub.	Averages:	6 - 8	214	.476	.349	.745	5.0	1.9	0.6	1.0	+12.93	10.7
PF -	Tristan Thompson	6 - 9	227	.546	.000	.487	7.8	1.3	0.9	2.4	+14.78	13.1
SG/SF -	Klay Thompson	6 - 6	205	.436	.398	.838	5.2	3.7	1.6	0.9	+19.71	21.6
SG -	Daniel Gibson	6 - 2	200	.400	.403	.822	2.6	3.0	0.7	0.3	+10.78	11.6
PG -	Jimmer Fredette	6 - 2	195	.452	.396	.894	3.4	4.3	1.3	0.0	+22.30	28.9
Alt.	Averages:	6 - 5	207	.459	.399	.760	4.8	3.1	1.1	1.2	+16.89	18.8

Thanks for considering!

[Who]

Ages:

20 - Tristan Thompson
21 - Keith Thompson
22 - Jimmer Fredette, Jerryd Bayless, Evan Turner, J.J. Hickson, Keith Benson
23 - Brook Lopez
25 - Daniel Gibson
27 - Carmelo Anthony
28 - Devin Harris
29 - Francisco Garcia, Hakim Warrick

Bakhu, can you help me out with those three guys in red - Evan Turner, Jimmer Fredette and Tristan Thompson. I am pretty much decided on the rest of your roster but I am uncertain about them. How good do you think those guys can become?

Is Turner a multi-dimensional high quality role player or can push on and add some scoring to his arsenal and become a genuine All-Star talent? How likely is he do to so?

Do you expect Fredette or T.Thompson to become All-Star caliber players? Top ten players at their respective positions? Top 15? Less?

[Bahku]

Ages:

20 - Tristan Thompson
21 - Keith Thompson
22 - Jimmer Fredette, Jerryd Bayless, Evan Turner, J.J. Hickson, Keith Benson
23 - Brook Lopez
25 - Daniel Gibson
27 - Carmelo Anthony
28 - Devin Harris
29 - Francisco Garcia, Hakim Warrick

Bakhu, can you help me out with those three guys in red - Evan Turner, Jimmer Fredette and Tristan Thompson. I am pretty much decided on the rest of your roster but I am uncertain about them. How good do you think those guys can become?

Is Turner a multi-dimensional high quality role player or can push on and add some scoring to his arsenal and become a genuine All-Star talent? How likely is he do to so?

Do you expect Fredette or T.Thompson to become All-Star caliber players? Top ten players at their respective positions? Top 15? Less?

Quickly: type-o on second player, should be "Keith Benson". Answer coming.

[Kane3387]

I guess there's no real guidelines as to qualifying for "Team of the Future", but I see no other team that is as "young" and "talented", or has as much potential for the future as Miami, (especially with Jimmer as the PG of the future, who a lot of people are already expecting to be Rookie of the Year). I also don't think there was anyone else who started building their team early-on with the specific intent of being as young and talented as possible, but with some experience and start power to guide. Add a couple of defensive pieces over the next couple of years, and this team is a nightmare for others to face. As it is they can fast-break, pick-and-roll, attack the basket, and shoot the lights out.

** If you aren't familiar with my rookies, please check out my press conference here ... there's some amazing talent here. **



Ages:

20 - Tristan Thompson
21 - Keith Benson
22 - Jimmer Fredette, Jerryd Bayless, Evan Turner, J.J. Hickson, Keith Benson
23 - Brook Lopez
25 - Daniel Gibson
27 - Carmelo Anthony
28 - Devin Harris
29 - Francisco Garcia, Hakim Warrick


(Trade a couple of these older guys for some talented defense)








2011 CB Draft
(Miami Heat)
 

*  SOUTH  BEACH  SAMURAI  *
Bahku - General Manager

Pos.	Starting Five	Height	Weight	FG%	3PT%	FT%	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	Efficiency	PPG
C    -	Brook Lopez	7 - 1	265	.492	.000	.787	6.0	1.6	0.6	1.5	+18.44	20.4
PF  -	J.J. Hickson	6 - 9	242	.458	.000	.673	8.7	1.1	0.6	0.7	+14.91	13.8
SF  -	Carmelo Anthony	6 - 8	230	.455	.378	.838	7.3	2.9	0.9	0.6	+24.75	25.6
SG -	Francisco Gracia	6 - 7	195	.436	.362	.855	2.3	1.2	0.9	0.8	+  9.71	9.7
PG -	Devin Harris	6 - 3	190	.420	.326	.828	2.4	7.1	1.2	0.2	+15.27	15.2
Start	Averages:	6 - 8	224	.452	.355	.796	5.3	2.8	0.8	0.7	+16.62	16.9
C   -	Keith Benson	6 -11	230	.547	.392	.643	10.1	1.1	0.8	3.6	+22.94	17.9
PF -	Hakim Warrick	6 - 9	219	.511	.000	.721	3.7	0.9	0.4	0.1	+  8.70	8.4
SF -	Evan Turner	6 - 7	205	.425	.318	.808	3.9	2.0	0.6	0.2	+10.00	7.2
SG -	Evan Turner	6 - 7	205	.425	.318	.808	3.9	2.0	0.6	0.2	+10.00	7.2
PG -	Jerryd Bayless	6 - 3	200	.422	.336	.806	2.3	3.7	0.5	0.1	+10.08	9.2
Sub.	Averages:	6 - 8	214	.476	.349	.745	5.0	1.9	0.6	1.0	+12.93	10.7
PF -	Tristan Thompson	6 - 9	227	.546	.000	.487	7.8	1.3	0.9	2.4	+14.78	13.1
SG/SF -	Klay Thompson	6 - 6	205	.436	.398	.838	5.2	3.7	1.6	0.9	+19.71	21.6
SG -	Daniel Gibson	6 - 2	200	.400	.403	.822	2.6	3.0	0.7	0.3	+10.78	11.6
PG -	Jimmer Fredette	6 - 2	195	.452	.396	.894	3.4	4.3	1.3	0.0	+22.30	28.9
Alt.	Averages:	6 - 5	207	.459	.399	.760	4.8	3.1	1.1	1.2	+16.89	18.8

Thanks for considering!

This is my team right here. With Carmelo, Lopez, and all those young rookies with Evan Turner... I mean wow lol.

[jgod213]

Ages:

20 - Tristan Thompson
21 - Keith Thompson
22 - Jimmer Fredette, Jerryd Bayless, Evan Turner, J.J. Hickson, Keith Benson
23 - Brook Lopez
25 - Daniel Gibson
27 - Carmelo Anthony
28 - Devin Harris
29 - Francisco Garcia, Hakim Warrick

Bakhu, can you help me out with those three guys in red - Evan Turner, Jimmer Fredette and Tristan Thompson. I am pretty much decided on the rest of your roster but I am uncertain about them. How good do you think those guys can become?

Is Turner a multi-dimensional high quality role player or can push on and add some scoring to his arsenal and become a genuine All-Star talent? How likely is he do to so?

Do you expect Fredette or T.Thompson to become All-Star caliber players? Top ten players at their respective positions? Top 15? Less?

Quickly: type-o on second player, should be "Keith Benson". Answer coming.

I dont think there's a superstar to be had here, but a very formidable team with good roles.

Freddette and Turner should be real fun to watch in the backcourt, with mello doing his thing as an "old man" haha.  I don't really care much for T. Thompson or Benson, but together with Hickson should provide good help/relief for Lopez.

K.Thompson will have a nice roll as a 6th man/ kyle-korver-spot-up-shooter.

While the Conspiracy would be the far better defensive team, the Samurai would be much more fortified offensively.

[Bahku]

Ages:

20 - Tristan Thompson
21 - Keith Thompson
22 - Jimmer Fredette, Jerryd Bayless, Evan Turner, J.J. Hickson, Keith Benson
23 - Brook Lopez
25 - Daniel Gibson
27 - Carmelo Anthony
28 - Devin Harris
29 - Francisco Garcia, Hakim Warrick

Bakhu, can you help me out with those three guys in red - Evan Turner, Jimmer Fredette and Tristan Thompson. I am pretty much decided on the rest of your roster but I am uncertain about them. How good do you think those guys can become?

Is Turner a multi-dimensional high quality role player or can push on and add some scoring to his arsenal and become a genuine All-Star talent? How likely is he do to so?

Do you expect Fredette or T.Thompson to become All-Star caliber players? Top ten players at their respective positions? Top 15? Less?

I definitely see Jimmer as an All-Star, (that's the easy one to answer) ... as I've stated, many pundits are already expecting him to be the ROTY from this freshman class. He's multi-talented, has the ability to score from anywhere on the floor, (literally), and has an amzing B-Ball IQ.

Tristan Thompson also yes ... he's maybe not quite as tall as you'd like in a PF, but he has an amazing 7-2 wingspan and is a solid 235 pounds, which will aid in his using his body down low, and make up for that inch-or-two.

Turner is a bit harder to predict, I think ... he's an excellent free-throw shooter, shoots the tres at around .318, and can get to the basket in a number of ways, beating his man off the dribble, using screens, and using his signature spin move. I think most of his shooting comes from 15-to-17 feet right now, but he also has a high BB IQ and can change speeds well ... I think those abilities could serve to improve his defense in the future. I certainly see him improving this year, but an All-Star in the future? I guess I would hold off on making that call for now.

All three guys are weak defensively, but I think Thompson and Fredette clearly show indications that they will excel in that area in the time to come, Evan I'm not so sure about, but I think he's far from done when it comes to improvement.

[wdleehi]

Detroit would of had this in the bag had they kept Griffin to go with Wall.






I do like the pair of Even and Love.


I like any team with Griffin.


Those two teams have growth potential in terms of star play.

[Bahku]

Ages:

20 - Tristan Thompson
21 - Keith Thompson
22 - Jimmer Fredette, Jerryd Bayless, Evan Turner, J.J. Hickson, Keith Benson
23 - Brook Lopez
25 - Daniel Gibson
27 - Carmelo Anthony
28 - Devin Harris
29 - Francisco Garcia, Hakim Warrick

Bakhu, can you help me out with those three guys in red - Evan Turner, Jimmer Fredette and Tristan Thompson. I am pretty much decided on the rest of your roster but I am uncertain about them. How good do you think those guys can become?

Is Turner a multi-dimensional high quality role player or can push on and add some scoring to his arsenal and become a genuine All-Star talent? How likely is he do to so?

Do you expect Fredette or T.Thompson to become All-Star caliber players? Top ten players at their respective positions? Top 15? Less?

Quickly: type-o on second player, should be "Keith Benson". Answer coming.

I dont think there's a superstar to be had here, but a very formidable team with good roles.

Freddette and Turner should be real fun to watch in the backcourt, with mello doing his thing as an "old man" haha.  I don't really care much for T. Thompson or Benson, but together with Hickson should provide good help/relief for Lopez.

K.Thompson will have a nice roll as a 6th man/ kyle-korver-spot-up-shooter.

While the Conspiracy would be the far better defensive team, the Samurai would be much more fortified offensively.

We already have a superstar in Carmelo, so that's a bit of a moot point, and Jimmer has the necessary gifts to become one very soon.