2011 CB Draft Eastern Playoffs: 1st Round

[KCattheStripe]

The Pacers have a slight lead in my mind.  This series is the reason I haven't voted yet.

What's got you holding up? Is there any questions either me or KC could answer that'd help you w/ your decision?

True. We like you, just not each other.

[Roy H.]

I think Aldridge vs. Haslem wins this series.  I also think I like Granger a lot better than many GMs seem to.  Wiz in 6.

[StartOrien]

Way #10: Hustle

[Roy H.]

There are things I really like and really dislike about both of these teams.  This series was very, very close to me.  In the end, I picked New Jersey.  They have the best player, and they have mismatches at the 2 and 4 in my mind.  Durant is good enough to win a series on his own; when he's going to be getting consistent production from his teammates, it greatly improves his chances.  I do think this goes at least 6, and probably 7, though.

[nickagneta]

I have been slightly leaning New Jersey's way due to what Roy just said before me but I do have to say I really like New York's defense of their team better than New Jersey's and I am starting to possibly rethink this.

[Who]

I am going to pick the Bullets to win the series.

I think their superior balance and depth is a difference maker.

[nickagneta]

This is the toughest in the east. Took me a while and I did some flip flopping but I think Felton makes Nash work too much on defense in the end. I think Washington wins the 7th game at home.

Bulls have home court. Washington would have to win on the road. And that might ultimately be why I give this series to Chicago.

Still not sure and it's why we haven't voted yet. We want to hear more from the owners on the NY/NJ and WAS/CHI series before making our vote.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Deron Williams + Loul Deng + Tim Duncan makes NY the winner here.

Durant might be the best player in this series, but Deng guards Durant as well as anyone ad the NJ supporting cast is far inferior to the OKC supporting cast. (Westbrook >> Conley; Harden > Hamilton; Scola > Ibaka; Perk = Perk).

The Deron Williams >> Conley advantage is bigger than I've seen mentioned here (and I really like Conley, don't get me wrong) but Williams is a beast at PG -- and we've got the outside shooting to negate any foolish zone defenses or double teams.


Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Tim Duncan and Tom Thibodeau are champions who will show the rest of our team what it takes to win (an underated component IMO of this fantasy based game).

How is ibaka better than Scola, How is Harden better than Rip?

I'll give you Conly being << than westbook but i think my team gives durant a little more spacing by surronding him with shooters and having perkins set screens. I also think my bench is better than the real okalahoma city bench. IF Deng is so good howcome he couldnt stop or slow down lebron or dwade?

Uh... I didn't say Ibaka is better than Scola. Scola is better but no by THAT much: Scola is the better offensive player, Ibaka the better reboundr & defender. And let's be honest, Scola is a good starting PF, but in the 2 years w/o Yao Scoala's teams have missed the playoffs.

Harden is better than Hamilton b/c he is  . Unlike Hamilton Harden can (a) create his own offense (and is very good at doing that) and (b) can defend his position at a high rate.

I suspect others agree with me as Harden was taken here at pick 3.13, while Hamilton went 5.15 -- 50 spots later. This isn't a complete measure of talent, but that's a pretty big gap.

[nickagneta]

Deron Williams + Loul Deng + Tim Duncan makes NY the winner here.

Durant might be the best player in this series, but Deng guards Durant as well as anyone ad the NJ supporting cast is far inferior to the OKC supporting cast. (Westbrook >> Conley; Harden > Hamilton; Scola > Ibaka; Perk = Perk).

The Deron Williams >> Conley advantage is bigger than I've seen mentioned here (and I really like Conley, don't get me wrong) but Williams is a beast at PG -- and we've got the outside shooting to negate any foolish zone defenses or double teams.


Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Tim Duncan and Tom Thibodeau are champions who will show the rest of our team what it takes to win (an underated component IMO of this fantasy based game).

How is ibaka better than Scola, How is Harden better than Rip?

I'll give you Conly being << than westbook but i think my team gives durant a little more spacing by surronding him with shooters and having perkins set screens. I also think my bench is better than the real okalahoma city bench. IF Deng is so good howcome he couldnt stop or slow down lebron or dwade?

Uh... I didn't say Ibaka is better than Scola. Scola is better but no by THAT much: Scola is the better offensive player, Ibaka the better reboundr & defender. And let's be honest, Scola is a good starting PF, but in the 2 years w/o Yao Scoala's teams have missed the playoffs.

Harden is better than Hamilton b/c he is  . Unlike Hamilton Harden can (a) create his own offense (and is very good at doing that) and (b) can defend his position at a high rate.

I suspect others agree with me as Harden was taken here at pick 3.13, while Hamilton went 5.15 -- 50 spots later. This isn't a complete measure of talent, but that's a pretty big gap.

BOOOOOO!!!!

I hate the my player was picked first so he is better argument.

BOOOOO!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74GdZs2Ilk4

[KCattheStripe]

VOTE FOR KC'S CELTICS! IT'S NO FUN IF SO WINS EVERY YEAR!

[Gainesville Celtic]

There are things I really like and really dislike about both of these teams.  This series was very, very close to me.  In the end, I picked New Jersey.  They have the best player, and they have mismatches at the 2 and 4 in my mind.  Durant is good enough to win a series on his own; when he's going to be getting consistent production from his teammates, it greatly improves his chances.  I do think this goes at least 6, and probably 7, though.

I feel like I've been on the defensive all day --- despite being the higher seed -- so let me turn this around.


Durant *is* good enough to win a series by himself but how many *has* he won by himself?


Rip Hamilton *was* good but can someone articulate (not just say it's so) why they think he has an advantage over the younger, still developing Nick Young despite them having nearly identical seasons last year (right down to them both playing on bad teams).


How is the supposed advantage at the 2 and 4 (what a 10 point advantage?) that much bigger than NY's advantage at the Center position where NJ has 2 of the least offensively-skilled Centers going up against one of the transcendent talents of the last 25 years. Even at 60% of what he used to be, Duncan >>> Perk + Joel Anthony.

[StartOrien]

VOTE FOR ACTION'S PACERS!

[StartOrien]

Durant *is* good enough to win a series by himself but how many *has* he won by himself?

Career wise, his teams have 2 series wins in 4 years. I wouldn't say he did either 'by himself.'

[mgent]

The Pacers have a slight lead in my mind.  This series is the reason I haven't voted yet.

What's holding you up? Is there any questions either me or KC could answer that'd help you w/ your decision?

My plan was to sleep on it and ask questions tomorrow.

If KC's players were even the least bit proven he'd be out of your reach I think.

[Gainesville Celtic]

Deron Williams + Loul Deng + Tim Duncan makes NY the winner here.

Durant might be the best player in this series, but Deng guards Durant as well as anyone ad the NJ supporting cast is far inferior to the OKC supporting cast. (Westbrook >> Conley; Harden > Hamilton; Scola > Ibaka; Perk = Perk).

The Deron Williams >> Conley advantage is bigger than I've seen mentioned here (and I really like Conley, don't get me wrong) but Williams is a beast at PG -- and we've got the outside shooting to negate any foolish zone defenses or double teams.


Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Tim Duncan and Tom Thibodeau are champions who will show the rest of our team what it takes to win (an underated component IMO of this fantasy based game).

How is ibaka better than Scola, How is Harden better than Rip?

I'll give you Conly being << than westbook but i think my team gives durant a little more spacing by surronding him with shooters and having perkins set screens. I also think my bench is better than the real okalahoma city bench. IF Deng is so good howcome he couldnt stop or slow down lebron or dwade?

Uh... I didn't say Ibaka is better than Scola. Scola is better but no by THAT much: Scola is the better offensive player, Ibaka the better reboundr & defender. And let's be honest, Scola is a good starting PF, but in the 2 years w/o Yao Scoala's teams have missed the playoffs.

Harden is better than Hamilton b/c he is  . Unlike Hamilton Harden can (a) create his own offense (and is very good at doing that) and (b) can defend his position at a high rate.

I suspect others agree with me as Harden was taken here at pick 3.13, while Hamilton went 5.15 -- 50 spots later. This isn't a complete measure of talent, but that's a pretty big gap.

BOOOOOO!!!!

I hate the my player was picked first so he is better argument.

BOOOOO!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74GdZs2Ilk4

BOOOOOOOOOOO! to NOT READING!!!


Wow Nick... why don't you read what i wrote:

Harden is better than Hamilton b/c he is  . Unlike Hamilton Harden can (a) create his own offense (and is very good at doing that) and (b) can defend his position at a high rate.

I suspect others agree with me as Harden was taken here at pick 3.13, while Hamilton went 5.15 -- 50 spots later. This isn't a complete measure of talent, but that's a pretty big gap.

I gave 2 reasons why Harden was better than Hamilton -- without mentionig that he shot better than Hamiton, rebouned better than Hamilton, turned the ball over less, and had 3x the number of win shares/48 min -- and then said that others likely agree with me since Harden went 50 spots higher than Hamilton.

I DIDN'T say Harden is better BECAUSE he went 50 spots higher. There *is* a difference.