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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #75 on: July 26, 2011, 02:06:24 PM »

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Here, you have pointed out that Delfino is definitely not a top 10 defensive wing in the NBA, and while you can't think of anyone clearly better than Delfino, I can't say that Delfino is clearly better than another handful of players like Courtney Lee, Ariza, Artest, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, Mickael Pietrus, and probably others.  I'd put him somewhere in the top 10-20 wing defenders in the NBA.

I think that's fair. Some of those names Delfino is better then, some maybe not.

Between his defense and his ability to keep a defender honest with his 40% 3pt bombs, I like him getting minutes.

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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #76 on: July 26, 2011, 02:08:08 PM »

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Sorry if this has been addressed already; I haven't had time to read the whole thread.  Can you talk about trading Carmelo away?  What was your thought process there?  In my mind, you went from a borderline contender to a borderline playoff team.  I thought that offensively, Williams/Kobe/Carmelo/Rashard was going to be very tough for teams to match up with.  Do you think your team is better now than before? Did you overreact to people's criticism, or did you always have second thoughts about Carmelo next to Kobe?


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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #77 on: July 26, 2011, 02:11:18 PM »

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Question for OKC,

Kobe is at his best and most successful when he has a great post player to operate off of - Shaq/Gasol. Other then Kobe, your best post player is Artest of Jamison.

How does Kobe adapt to that? What is his style of play at this stage in his career because he can't go off and average 35 ppg like he did post Shaq and pre-Gasol. Not if you want your team to be successful.

Thoughts?

Lol Don't run from this question  ;D

I am very interested to see your response.


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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #78 on: July 26, 2011, 02:11:53 PM »

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Here, you have pointed out that Delfino is definitely not a top 10 defensive wing in the NBA, and while you can't think of anyone clearly better than Delfino, I can't say that Delfino is clearly better than another handful of players like Courtney Lee, Ariza, Artest, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, Mickael Pietrus, and probably others.  I'd put him somewhere in the top 10-20 wing defenders in the NBA.

I think that's fair. Some of those names Delfino is better then, some maybe not.

Between his defense and his ability to keep a defender honest with his 40% 3pt bombs, I like him getting minutes.

Pierce doesn't sweat Delfino. That's all I was getting at.


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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #79 on: July 26, 2011, 02:11:57 PM »

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Utah:

From my perspective, you made some brilliant moves at the beginning of the draft (ending up with Pau + Paul, without giving much up in return), and some great moves at the end (getting Big Al, Butler, etc.)  So... what happened in the middle rounds?  It seems like you kept trading back, rather than aggressively chasing talent.  Would you change things in hindsight?

In terms of your rotation, any thoughts to starting Haywood and/or Thabo, to give better balance to your starting lineup? 


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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #80 on: July 26, 2011, 02:12:36 PM »

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Two really strong front courts between Portland and Utah, how do you guys see those matchups going?

SF) Starters - Pierce Vs Delfino - Pierce it's not even close
      Reserves - Thabo/Butler Vs Williams - Depends on how Williams comes along

PF) Starters - KG Vs Amare - Edge Amare but after this years playoffs it's close
      Reserves - Maxiell/Jefferson Vs Williams - Again how good will Williams be as a rookie

C) Starters - Jefferson Vs Bogut - I see this as more of a tie. They will both score on each other
     Reserves - Haywood Vs Lopez/Tolliver - I give Haywood the edge because he will play
                         consistently with a better PF option unless it's Maxiell (5 mpg)

This is a fun one to debate. I like the experience my team has. I am going to go into the playoffs here. I think the playoffs will be too big for Williams at times. Neither Bogut or Big Al has ever played in a playoff game. Amare is overall the best front line player but he is going up against the one guy who will neutralize him the most in KG (best defensive PF). Big Al has the best offensive post game of any of these guys. Offensively he complements KG more than Bogut does Amare.

I've got 2 problems/questions with things said here, but I'll hold off on the playoff one in case you two happen to meet there:

1.  I agree with you that Bogut and Al Jefferson will probably roughly match eachother in scoring/rebounding output.  I think that Bogut will have a bigger impact on the game because his help defense will help make all of his surrounding cast better defenders, while I don't feel that Big Al is capable of having that kind of impact.  What are your thoughts on this and if you agree, in what ways can Big Al make up that difference to even the matchup?
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #81 on: July 26, 2011, 02:14:10 PM »

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Why are you taking minutes away from Delfino, Williams, and other superior players to give them to a rich man's Scalabrine / poor man's Ilyasova who is coming off of major surgery?  How many minutes are you planning on giving your wildly overrated binkie in the playoffs?


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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #82 on: July 26, 2011, 02:14:22 PM »

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Here, you have pointed out that Delfino is definitely not a top 10 defensive wing in the NBA, and while you can't think of anyone clearly better than Delfino, I can't say that Delfino is clearly better than another handful of players like Courtney Lee, Ariza, Artest, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, Mickael Pietrus, and probably others.  I'd put him somewhere in the top 10-20 wing defenders in the NBA.

I think that's fair. Some of those names Delfino is better then, some maybe not.

Between his defense and his ability to keep a defender honest with his 40% 3pt bombs, I like him getting minutes.

I agree; he's a very good player to have on the court when alongside a few other players who can create offense.
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #83 on: July 26, 2011, 02:15:39 PM »

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Sorry if this has been addressed already; I haven't had time to read the whole thread.  Can you talk about trading Carmelo away?  What was your thought process there?  In my mind, you went from a borderline contender to a borderline playoff team.  I thought that offensively, Williams/Kobe/Carmelo/Rashard was going to be very tough for teams to match up with.  Do you think your team is better now than before? Did you overreact to people's criticism, or did you always have second thoughts about Carmelo next to Kobe?

honestly i think trading away carmelo for love was a bad move. it was an overreaction to all of the kobe melo criticism from posters. but i think love+shard for rondo+jamison+thomas was an upgrade. i would agree that my team with melo and kobe was slightly better than kobe and rondo.. but i do think OKC is one of the best starting 5 defensively in the CNBA and defense wins championships and kobe wins championships.
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #84 on: July 26, 2011, 02:20:19 PM »

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Sorry if this has been addressed already; I haven't had time to read the whole thread.  Can you talk about trading Carmelo away?  What was your thought process there?  In my mind, you went from a borderline contender to a borderline playoff team.  I thought that offensively, Williams/Kobe/Carmelo/Rashard was going to be very tough for teams to match up with.  Do you think your team is better now than before? Did you overreact to people's criticism, or did you always have second thoughts about Carmelo next to Kobe?

honestly i think trading away carmelo for love was a bad move. it was an overreaction to all of the kobe melo criticism from posters. but i think love+shard for rondo+jamison+thomas was an upgrade. i would agree that my team with melo and kobe was slightly better than kobe and rondo.. but i do think OKC is one of the best starting 5 defensively in the CNBA and defense wins championships and kobe wins championships.
Be sure that you do your research on the CNBA before you make statements like that!   :P
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #85 on: July 26, 2011, 02:20:54 PM »

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Mgent,

Williams is obviously a huge question mark, but I think you're underrating Delfino a little bit.  He's one of the better wing defenders in the league.  The only guys that he can't handle are the super-fast wings, and that's not Pierce.

What?! Maybe a good shooter but not "one of the best defensive players in the NBA". No way. The guy didn't get one vote for ALL NBA DEFENSIVE TEAM. See the link below. You are overrating him big time.

http://www.examiner.com/nba-in-national/2011-all-defensive-team-announced


You weren't quoting me with the "one of the best defensive players in the NBA" right?  I said he was one of the BETTER defensive WINGS.

Tony, LeBron, Iguodala, Wade, Sefolosha, Battier, Marion, Prince, Kobe.

After those guys I can't think of anyone else clearly better than Delfino.

Edit:  Just looked at the link, forgot about Wallace.

I am very wary of using statements like "one of the best" as it is a very subjective adjective.  I think if you are going to use statements like that, my advice is that it be unquestionable to anybody.  Like "Amare is one of the best offensive PF's in the leauge", "Tony Allen is one of the best defensive wings in the league", "Nash is one of the best passers in the league", "Zach Randolph is one of the best rebounders in the league".  You are free to use statements like that as you please, but it definitely leads posters to question your objectivity in every statement you make rather than trusting you.

Here, you have pointed out that Delfino is definitely not a top 10 defensive wing in the NBA, and while you can't think of anyone clearly better than Delfino, I can't say that Delfino is clearly better than another handful of players like Courtney Lee, Ariza, Artest, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, Mickael Pietrus, and probably others.  I'd put him somewhere in the top 10-20 wing defenders in the NBA.
Well there's a difference between "one of the best" which means among the best, and "one of the better" which means better than most.

Delfino is at least in the 80-90th percentile as far as wing defenders go.
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #86 on: July 26, 2011, 02:25:34 PM »

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Portland,

Why are you taking minutes away from Delfino, Williams, and other superior players to give them to a rich man's Scalabrine / poor man's Ilyasova who is coming off of major surgery?

Because A) He's better than a rich man's Scalabrine and a Poor Man's Ilyasova. If Brian Scalabrine had Jonas Jerebko's athleticism, he would've played 20 minutes a game in 2008. B) If injury does happen, I need Jerebko ready, whether its for 2 or 3 games or 10. C) Jerebko is arguably my best hustle guy, and best defender at the 4. Some defense there ain't hurtin nobody.

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How many minutes are you planning on giving your wildly overrated binkie in the playoffs?

In the playoffs, my team goes to an 8 man rotation. Jerebko and Lopez are the likely victims. They'll likely stay active but barring foul trouble or exploitation, neither will likely play much.

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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #87 on: July 26, 2011, 02:37:18 PM »

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Two really strong front courts between Portland and Utah, how do you guys see those matchups going?

SF) Starters - Pierce Vs Delfino - Pierce it's not even close
      Reserves - Thabo/Butler Vs Williams - Depends on how Williams comes along

PF) Starters - KG Vs Amare - Edge Amare but after this years playoffs it's close
      Reserves - Maxiell/Jefferson Vs Williams - Again how good will Williams be as a rookie

C) Starters - Jefferson Vs Bogut - I see this as more of a tie. They will both score on each other
     Reserves - Haywood Vs Lopez/Tolliver - I give Haywood the edge because he will play
                         consistently with a better PF option unless it's Maxiell (5 mpg)

This is a fun one to debate. I like the experience my team has. I am going to go into the playoffs here. I think the playoffs will be too big for Williams at times. Neither Bogut or Big Al has ever played in a playoff game. Amare is overall the best front line player but he is going up against the one guy who will neutralize him the most in KG (best defensive PF). Big Al has the best offensive post game of any of these guys. Offensively he complements KG more than Bogut does Amare.

I've got 2 problems/questions with things said here, but I'll hold off on the playoff one in case you two happen to meet there:

1.  I agree with you that Bogut and Al Jefferson will probably roughly match eachother in scoring/rebounding output.  I think that Bogut will have a bigger impact on the game because his help defense will help make all of his surrounding cast better defenders, while I don't feel that Big Al is capable of having that kind of impact.  What are your thoughts on this and if you agree, in what ways can Big Al make up that difference to even the matchup?

I will say this. Bogut's defense, assuming he is healthy, makes him better then Jefferson. I don't dispute that but the disparity between the players overall is not as great as people are making out to be in my opinion. They are both in the same tier of player, i.e the third best player on a championship team. That's how I feel.

Big Al can match Bogut by being aggressive in the post. We want to give Al touches on the block and that's mostly it. Kg will be the pick and pop big. I also think Big Al is one of the best at finishing around the basket. KG is a great passer. He got Perk a lot of easy buckets, that Perk finished on or sadly took an extra dribble and didn't convert on.

Defensively Big Al needs work but he has never had a traffic cop like Garnett or someone to feed off energy wise like Garnett. Everyone who plays defense with Garnett produces more then they have at almost any other time in their career unless they're is a huge age disparity. Look how well Shaq played with KG. The defense didn't miss a beat going from Perk to Shaq.

Offensively Big Al will be the best big man KG has ever played with. Big Al can play off KG well thanks to KG's unselfishness and passing ability. I think Bogut will be less likely to leave Big Al  to help on defense because when he does Big Al is going straight to the basket either free or with a lesser defender on him where he will most likely get a bucket.

You see Big Al's presence on this team offensively negates some of what Bogut does as a help defender because he finishes so well near the basket. When Pierce gets by Williams/Delfino Amare either leaves KG for an open jumper (not likely bc Amare doesn't help defend) or Bogut leaves Big Al. Pierce an underrated passer feeds Big Al for the bucket. Baron, Jamal, and even Crawford are all capable of hitting shots if Pierce needs to pass to them and also playing the role of Pierce in this scenario.


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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #88 on: July 26, 2011, 02:39:33 PM »

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Mgent,

Williams is obviously a huge question mark, but I think you're underrating Delfino a little bit.  He's one of the better wing defenders in the league.  The only guys that he can't handle are the super-fast wings, and that's not Pierce.

What?! Maybe a good shooter but not "one of the best defensive players in the NBA". No way. The guy didn't get one vote for ALL NBA DEFENSIVE TEAM. See the link below. You are overrating him big time.

http://www.examiner.com/nba-in-national/2011-all-defensive-team-announced


You weren't quoting me with the "one of the best defensive players in the NBA" right?  I said he was one of the BETTER defensive WINGS.

Tony, LeBron, Iguodala, Wade, Sefolosha, Battier, Marion, Prince, Kobe.

After those guys I can't think of anyone else clearly better than Delfino.

Edit:  Just looked at the link, forgot about Wallace.

I am very wary of using statements like "one of the best" as it is a very subjective adjective.  I think if you are going to use statements like that, my advice is that it be unquestionable to anybody.  Like "Amare is one of the best offensive PF's in the leauge", "Tony Allen is one of the best defensive wings in the league", "Nash is one of the best passers in the league", "Zach Randolph is one of the best rebounders in the league".  You are free to use statements like that as you please, but it definitely leads posters to question your objectivity in every statement you make rather than trusting you.

Here, you have pointed out that Delfino is definitely not a top 10 defensive wing in the NBA, and while you can't think of anyone clearly better than Delfino, I can't say that Delfino is clearly better than another handful of players like Courtney Lee, Ariza, Artest, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, Mickael Pietrus, and probably others.  I'd put him somewhere in the top 10-20 wing defenders in the NBA.
Well there's a difference between "one of the best" which means among the best, and "one of the better" which means better than most.

Delfino is at least in the 80-90th percentile as far as wing defenders go.

I guess I would need to see the complete list of who is better then Delfino. I will say this though, he rarely guarded Pierce. Salmons or Maggette was on Paul. Delfino was normally on Ray.


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Re: 2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board
« Reply #89 on: July 26, 2011, 02:44:11 PM »

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Any thought of using Haywood as the starting C to strengthen the defense and then use Jefferson as a offensive 6th man?