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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #60 on: July 26, 2011, 01:14:04 PM »

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Question for Portland.
Much like OKC in 2009-2010 you're team is talented but very very young.

Are we? Because, my starters are 25, 21, 29, 28, and 26. Combined my starters are averaging 5.5 years a piece in the league, with Harden being the youngest and least experienced at 21 years and 2 yrs experience.

To my knowledge, they're all (excepting Harden) entering or in the midst of their prime.

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Thoughts on your team maybe being a year away from taking that next step?

What's the next step? Contending for a title? Making it to the second round?

Personally, I think I'm not a year away from anything. Considering the parity of this league, and the talent top to bottom of the team I've assembled, I love my chances. Experience is not the bane of my team.

I think you're a year away from being a year younger than you are right now.

Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #61 on: July 26, 2011, 01:22:17 PM »

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Two really strong front courts between Portland and Utah, how do you guys see those matchups going?

SF) Starters - Pierce Vs Delfino - Pierce it's not even close
      Reserves - Thabo/Butler Vs Williams - Depends on how Williams comes along

PF) Starters - KG Vs Amare - Edge Amare but after this years playoffs it's close
      Reserves - Maxiell/Jefferson Vs Williams - Again how good will Williams be as a rookie

C) Starters - Jefferson Vs Bogut - I see this as more of a tie. They will both score on each other
     Reserves - Haywood Vs Lopez/Tolliver - I give Haywood the edge because he will play
                         consistently with a better PF option unless it's Maxiell (5 mpg)

This is a fun one to debate. I like the experience my team has. I am going to go into the playoffs here. I think the playoffs will be too big for Williams at times. Neither Bogut or Big Al has ever played in a playoff game. Amare is overall the best front line player but he is going up against the one guy who will neutralize him the most in KG (best defensive PF). Big Al has the best offensive post game of any of these guys. Offensively he complements KG more than Bogut does Amare.

I think the PF and C positions are close, but the SF position is no contest. Delfino is a SG. Period. Putting him on Pierce is a joke. Pierce will be at the line all day. Same with Williams putting a slow footed rookie on the truth in the playoffs is again a joke. Pump fakes all day. If Portland and Utah meet up expect Pierce to shoot a lot of FTs and impact the series more then any other player.
I don't understand how people can just say Delfino or Iguodala (a while ago) are SGs and then just end the argument with period.  Sure, they can play SG, but they're still the same size as Pierce.

If a player has played SF in the past, then he's clearly capable of being a SF.  If a player is in the 6'6" 230lb range, he is a swingman and can typically play both.  We're not talking about SG/PG or PF/C where the skillsets are drastically different.  Delfino does not cause any offensive issues switching between SG/SF, and more importantly he can guard both at a high level.  Putting him on a Pierce is certainly not a joke.

Mgent,

You're right about him playing SF. I have only seen him play SG for the most part, but you're definitely right. At his measurements he can play the SF; however he can't guard Pierce. He doesn't have the strength and few do. There are few players who can guard Pierce to begin with. In my opinion Pierce against Delfino and Williams will be a lot like Pierce in the 2010 ECF against Orlando. They won't really present a challenge for him. That's my opinion. TP
Williams is obviously a huge question mark, but I think you're underrating Delfino a little bit.  He's one of the better wing defenders in the league.  The only guys that he can't handle are the super-fast wings, and that's not Pierce.

What?! Maybe a good shooter but not "one of the best defensive players in the NBA". No way. The guy didn't get one vote for ALL NBA DEFENSIVE TEAM. See the link below. You are overrating him big time.

http://www.examiner.com/nba-in-national/2011-all-defensive-team-announced


You weren't quoting me with the "one of the best defensive players in the NBA" right?  I said he was one of the BETTER defensive WINGS.

Tony, LeBron, Iguodala, Wade, Sefolosha, Battier, Marion, Prince, Kobe.

After those guys I can't think of anyone else clearly better than Delfino.

Edit:  Just looked at the link, forgot about Wallace.
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #62 on: July 26, 2011, 01:23:09 PM »

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Well, that's a question that could mean a couple of different things. If it means "Who wins the battle of the paint when the two teams face each other", that's a wholly different one than "Which teams' front court will perform better against the other 23 teams in the league".

Well both answers are me. But, I digest.

I think it means who wins the match up battle when Portland faces Utah. Also is this regular season or playoffs because Pierce and KG played better in the playoffs and you have a lot of guys who have never played in the playoffs at all. The playoffs are much different then the regular season. Matchups determine series, game planning is completely different and everything is magnified like Bogut's FT%.

Well, I doubt he's talking playoffs because there is an entire round for that. I imagine he's talking during the 4 times they meet this season, or who has the better team in relation to the rest of the league.

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Andrew Bogut V Al Jefferson

You say: 'I see this as more of a tie. They will both score on each other'

I say: Al Jefferson, whenever he has met Andrew Bogut, has consistently played the center position, and Bogut has consistently been the better player by a country mile. You're right, both guys will score on each other. But, one guy will score better (Bogut), one guy will defend better (Bogut), and one guy will be a better facilitator (Bogut).

In their 11 meetings, Bogut has shot 60+% from the field compared to Al Jefferson's 44%. Couple that with exponentially better team defense, and Bogut gets the heavy, heavy nod here

Can you provide evidence?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=bogutan01&p2=jeffeal01

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Having one of the top 2 help defenders in the NBA will help Big Al. Again he can play off KG better then Bogut can Amare. If anything Bogut clog the lane.

Amare and KG are both excellent jumpshooters from 18 feet or so.

Al Jefferson and Andrew Bogut are both players that are drastically less effective as jumpshooters away from the basket.

The difference is that Amar'e is much much better than KG at putting the ball on the floor to create his own shot.

Bogut makes Al Jefferson's life incredibly difficult. He makes him shoot worse, foul more, and generally ruins his day.

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KG V Amare

You say: "Edge Amare but after this years playoffs it's close."
I say: Amare is better offensively by a very significant margin, but KG is much better defensively. By the numbers rebounding they're even. One thing you might want to ponder though; in the playoff game Amare was actually healthy for, he lit KG up the whole time, and KG could not do squat to stop him. Plus, the added attention Jermaine O'Neal needed to pay to try to slow down Amare (which didn't help) allowed Ronny Turiaf to go 4-5 from the field.  

That's one game. KG has always played and made life for Amare.

That is true. But, the best games KG had against Amar'e were when Amar'e was 25 or less, and KG was in his late 20's/early 30's. It is not a knock on KG that there is more separation there now. Amar'e is a man in the prime of his youth. 28 year old KG destroys Amar'e, but 35 year old KG is a totally different story.

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Amare might get points but he is not as efficient a player when defended by KG. Amare also torched Big Baby. Doc did not put KG on Amare a lot of the time for fear of fouls. I don't have that same fear.


That's not true. Doc played KG 34 minutes, and just about all of them were him covering Amare.

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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #63 on: July 26, 2011, 01:34:04 PM »

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Well, I doubt he's talking playoffs because there is an entire round for that. I imagine he's talking during the 4 times they meet this season, or who has the better team in relation to the rest of the league.

I saw two good front courts and a lack of questions being asked. But ya, regular season probably.

Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #64 on: July 26, 2011, 01:35:07 PM »

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Speaking of lack of questions... ya'all seen that nifty presser Action made for our team on the Central thread....

Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #65 on: July 26, 2011, 01:36:36 PM »

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Speaking of lack of questions... ya'all seen that nifty presser Action made for our team on the Central thread....

Sorry between work and trying to fully answer questions I've been a poor question asker

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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #66 on: July 26, 2011, 01:39:14 PM »

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Denver,

Any concern about scoring off the bench? Hill seems to be the only guy.
I'm not concerned, I'm not going to have the entire bench playing by themselves. I drafted the bench players to be a nice fit alongside the main offensive players. As mentioned before an option is to bring in Mbah a Moute off the bench for Wright to start the game.  Having Calderon/JJ/Mbah a Moute, the next lineup would have JJ/Hill/Mbah a Moute with Calderon/Rush/Wright being the next group.  I feel these type of rotations will be effective in keeping a good mix of offense and defense. If needed Nate Robinson can come off the bench for some energy
Denver,

Any concern about scoring off the bench? Hill seems to be the only guy.
And he's not even very good at creating his own shot.  Aside from Rush nobody on the bench can, especially with Mbah a Moute playing on the perimeter, killing the offense.

Hill's offense consists mostly of waiting for the corner 3.  I don't see why the Nuggets aren't starting him.  I think it really hurts them, especially defensively.  Calderon is much better suited as your facilitator off the bench.
That may have been Hill's offense 2 years ago, but he can drive, he is in the middle of the pack of PG's for FTA/game.  And as mentioned above I fell with the rotations there will be an adequate mix of offense and defense.

Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2011, 01:41:59 PM »

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Speaking of lack of questions... ya'all seen that nifty presser Action made for our team on the Central thread....
Nah, everyone is gravitating toward the Northwest, seeing as it's a irresistible sticky thread.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
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Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #68 on: July 26, 2011, 01:44:24 PM »

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Speaking of lack of questions... ya'all seen that nifty presser Action made for our team on the Central thread....
Nah, everyone is gravitating toward the Northwest, seeing as it's a irresistible sticky thread.

Thanks, mgent! Hadn't noticed the trend!

Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #69 on: July 26, 2011, 01:49:28 PM »

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OKC, why start Ty Thomas over Antawn Jamison?

i prefer thomas's defense and athleticism in the starting lineup with great offense coming off the bench. jamison and thomas will both play the same amount of minutes though.
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #70 on: July 26, 2011, 01:50:09 PM »

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Denver,

Any concern about scoring off the bench? Hill seems to be the only guy.
I'm not concerned, I'm not going to have the entire bench playing by themselves. I drafted the bench players to be a nice fit alongside the main offensive players. As mentioned before an option is to bring in Mbah a Moute off the bench for Wright to start the game.  Having Calderon/JJ/Mbah a Moute, the next lineup would have JJ/Hill/Mbah a Moute with Calderon/Rush/Wright being the next group.  I feel these type of rotations will be effective in keeping a good mix of offense and defense. If needed Nate Robinson can come off the bench for some energy
Denver,

Any concern about scoring off the bench? Hill seems to be the only guy.
And he's not even very good at creating his own shot.  Aside from Rush nobody on the bench can, especially with Mbah a Moute playing on the perimeter, killing the offense.

Hill's offense consists mostly of waiting for the corner 3.  I don't see why the Nuggets aren't starting him.  I think it really hurts them, especially defensively.  Calderon is much better suited as your facilitator off the bench.
That may have been Hill's offense 2 years ago, but he can drive, he is in the middle of the pack of PG's for FTA/game.  And as mentioned above I fell with the rotations there will be an adequate mix of offense and defense.
I think you'll be fine as long as you stay away from full 2nd unit lineups, but I'd seriously consider going back to Hill as your starter and letting Calderon create some shots for your bench players.

Not only because Hill is much better, but because your defense is way too good to have such a gaping hole right in the front.
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #71 on: July 26, 2011, 01:54:26 PM »

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Speaking of lack of questions... ya'all seen that nifty presser Action made for our team on the Central thread....
Nah, everyone is gravitating toward the Northwest, seeing as it's a irresistible sticky thread.

Thanks, mgent! Hadn't noticed the trend!
You gotta get some of that stick on your side!
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
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Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #72 on: July 26, 2011, 01:58:48 PM »

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Speaking of lack of questions... ya'all seen that nifty presser Action made for our team on the Central thread....
Nah, everyone is gravitating toward the Northwest, seeing as it's a irresistible sticky thread.

Thanks, mgent! Hadn't noticed the trend!
You gotta get some of that stick on your side!

I think people are nervous to enter the same thread as Tony Parker, he might try to steal your wife/girlfriend.

Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #73 on: July 26, 2011, 02:03:21 PM »

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A question for OKC:

How do you feel that posting a photo of your back up 2 guard getting his dunk flat stuffed by one of the Jazz's bench players will effect you in the voting?


 ;D

lol i did this pretty early in the morning i thought brown was dunking...i guess not.
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Re: 2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference
« Reply #74 on: July 26, 2011, 02:03:38 PM »

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Mgent,

Williams is obviously a huge question mark, but I think you're underrating Delfino a little bit.  He's one of the better wing defenders in the league.  The only guys that he can't handle are the super-fast wings, and that's not Pierce.

What?! Maybe a good shooter but not "one of the best defensive players in the NBA". No way. The guy didn't get one vote for ALL NBA DEFENSIVE TEAM. See the link below. You are overrating him big time.

http://www.examiner.com/nba-in-national/2011-all-defensive-team-announced


You weren't quoting me with the "one of the best defensive players in the NBA" right?  I said he was one of the BETTER defensive WINGS.

Tony, LeBron, Iguodala, Wade, Sefolosha, Battier, Marion, Prince, Kobe.

After those guys I can't think of anyone else clearly better than Delfino.

Edit:  Just looked at the link, forgot about Wallace.

I am very wary of using statements like "one of the best" as it is a very subjective adjective.  I think if you are going to use statements like that, my advice is that it be unquestionable to anybody.  Like "Amare is one of the best offensive PF's in the leauge", "Tony Allen is one of the best defensive wings in the league", "Nash is one of the best passers in the league", "Zach Randolph is one of the best rebounders in the league".  You are free to use statements like that as you please, but it definitely leads posters to question your objectivity in every statement you make rather than trusting you.

Here, you have pointed out that Delfino is definitely not a top 10 defensive wing in the NBA, and while you can't think of anyone clearly better than Delfino, I can't say that Delfino is clearly better than another handful of players like Courtney Lee, Ariza, Artest, Keith Bogans, Ronnie Brewer, Mickael Pietrus, and probably others.  I'd put him somewhere in the top 10-20 wing defenders in the NBA.
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