2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference

[mgent]

But consider that Heat team for what it was:  how many wins that Heat team would win in the CBNBA?  Does it even make the playoffs in either conference?

Doesn't that speak somewhat to mgent's point?  If voters were evaluating that Heat team, they'd say "One star and a bunch of garbage isn't enough to win".  However, Wade took that team to 47 wins, and a win against a much better Celtics team (plus a couple other close losses).

Wade is phenomenal.  Surround him with a strong, cohesive, defensive-oriented team, and he's plenty good enough to win a title.  Having Wade alone launches Philly into the upper-echelon in this draft; adding West, Iggy, Varejao, Hinrich, Kmart, etc. around him propels Philly into the argument for best in the league.

No, MY point was that those 47 wins were in a league with a horrendous eastern conference.  If mgent is saying "philly's wins will be proportional to how much better they are than that 5th seed (47 win) Miami team" then that argument is invalid here because Heat team doesn't win 47 games in the CBNBA.  They won 47 games because Wade is a superstar, but equally because that Eastern Conference was _________(I'm running out of adjectives here to describe utter crap).

The greatness of Wade is a different argument, I believe, and I don't see myself taking a different side than mgent.  Wade is great.

My point was that he's capable of carrying the load and doing so at a very efficient rate.  He doesn't need another superstar.

Maybe that Heat team only won 43 games in this game, so what?  My team is on a completely different level.  Instead I chose to compare them to the much closer Miami team of this year, assuming people could remember that Wade doesn't need LeBron to make it to the Finals.

[action781]

But consider that Heat team for what it was:  how many wins that Heat team would win in the CBNBA?  Does it even make the playoffs in either conference?

Doesn't that speak somewhat to mgent's point?  If voters were evaluating that Heat team, they'd say "One star and a bunch of garbage isn't enough to win".  However, Wade took that team to 47 wins, and a win against a much better Celtics team (plus a couple other close losses).

Wade is phenomenal.  Surround him with a strong, cohesive, defensive-oriented team, and he's plenty good enough to win a title.  Having Wade alone launches Philly into the upper-echelon in this draft; adding West, Iggy, Varejao, Hinrich, Kmart, etc. around him propels Philly into the argument for best in the league.

No, MY point was that those 47 wins were in a league with a horrendous eastern conference.  If mgent is saying "philly's wins will be proportional to how much better they are than that 5th seed (47 win) Miami team" then that argument is invalid here because Heat team doesn't win 47 games in the CBNBA.  They won 47 games because Wade is a superstar, but equally because that Eastern Conference was _________(I'm running out of adjectives here to describe utter crap).

The greatness of Wade is a different argument, I believe, and I don't see myself taking a different side than mgent.  Wade is great.

My point was that he's capable of carrying the load and doing so at a very efficient rate.  He doesn't need another superstar.

Maybe that Heat team only won 43 games in this game, so what?  My team is on a completely different level.  Instead I chose to compare them to the much closer Miami team of this year, assuming people could remember that Wade doesn't need LeBron to make it to the Finals.

That Miami team winning 43 games in the CBNBA, huh?  So over .500?  So, essentially, better than half of the CBNBA teams?  I think they would be dead last in the CBNBA West and might be better than 3 teams in the East (ATL, Detroit, El Salvador in no particular order).  So, clearly nowhere near .500 and I think that Miami Heat team would win 30-35 games.  You're free to disagree, but I'm pretty sure this argument has some substance behind it where 43 wins is pretty arbitrary.

That said, I agree with your decision that it would be better to compare your team to the current Miami, but I still think that you should try to distance yourself from that comparison.  You have good players, so establish yourself as a good team of good players instead of an inferior squad to a team that lost in the Finals.  (I know you don't think they are, but most of us do.)  Just giving some friendly advice that I think would make me more likely to look positively on your team.

[mgent]

But consider that Heat team for what it was:  how many wins that Heat team would win in the CBNBA?  Does it even make the playoffs in either conference?

Doesn't that speak somewhat to mgent's point?  If voters were evaluating that Heat team, they'd say "One star and a bunch of garbage isn't enough to win".  However, Wade took that team to 47 wins, and a win against a much better Celtics team (plus a couple other close losses).

Wade is phenomenal.  Surround him with a strong, cohesive, defensive-oriented team, and he's plenty good enough to win a title.  Having Wade alone launches Philly into the upper-echelon in this draft; adding West, Iggy, Varejao, Hinrich, Kmart, etc. around him propels Philly into the argument for best in the league.

No, MY point was that those 47 wins were in a league with a horrendous eastern conference.  If mgent is saying "philly's wins will be proportional to how much better they are than that 5th seed (47 win) Miami team" then that argument is invalid here because Heat team doesn't win 47 games in the CBNBA.  They won 47 games because Wade is a superstar, but equally because that Eastern Conference was _________(I'm running out of adjectives here to describe utter crap).

The greatness of Wade is a different argument, I believe, and I don't see myself taking a different side than mgent.  Wade is great.

My point was that he's capable of carrying the load and doing so at a very efficient rate.  He doesn't need another superstar.

Maybe that Heat team only won 43 games in this game, so what?  My team is on a completely different level.  Instead I chose to compare them to the much closer Miami team of this year, assuming people could remember that Wade doesn't need LeBron to make it to the Finals.

That Miami team winning 43 games in the CBNBA, huh?  So over .500?  So, essentially, better than half of the CBNBA teams?  I think they would be dead last in the CBNBA West and might be better than 3 teams in the East (ATL, Detroit, El Salvador in no particular order).  So, clearly nowhere near .500 and I think that Miami Heat team would win 30-35 games.  You're free to disagree, but I'm pretty sure this argument has some substance behind it where 43 wins is pretty arbitrary.

That said, I agree with your decision that it would be better to compare your team to the current Miami, but I still think that you should try to distance yourself from that comparison.  You have good players, so establish yourself as a good team of good players instead of an inferior squad to a team that lost in the Finals.  (I know you don't think they are, but most of us do.)  Just giving some friendly advice that I think would make me more likely to look positively on your team.

I'm not trying to make my team look good, I'm trying to be honest.  I'm sticking to my guns.  My team is better in every way, except for SF, and nobody's given me a reason otherwise aside from the "LeBron intangible" argument.

[BASS_THUMPER]

how much beer gonna be at these games?

[action781]

But consider that Heat team for what it was:  how many wins that Heat team would win in the CBNBA?  Does it even make the playoffs in either conference?

Doesn't that speak somewhat to mgent's point?  If voters were evaluating that Heat team, they'd say "One star and a bunch of garbage isn't enough to win".  However, Wade took that team to 47 wins, and a win against a much better Celtics team (plus a couple other close losses).

Wade is phenomenal.  Surround him with a strong, cohesive, defensive-oriented team, and he's plenty good enough to win a title.  Having Wade alone launches Philly into the upper-echelon in this draft; adding West, Iggy, Varejao, Hinrich, Kmart, etc. around him propels Philly into the argument for best in the league.

No, MY point was that those 47 wins were in a league with a horrendous eastern conference.  If mgent is saying "philly's wins will be proportional to how much better they are than that 5th seed (47 win) Miami team" then that argument is invalid here because Heat team doesn't win 47 games in the CBNBA.  They won 47 games because Wade is a superstar, but equally because that Eastern Conference was _________(I'm running out of adjectives here to describe utter crap).

The greatness of Wade is a different argument, I believe, and I don't see myself taking a different side than mgent.  Wade is great.

My point was that he's capable of carrying the load and doing so at a very efficient rate.  He doesn't need another superstar.

Maybe that Heat team only won 43 games in this game, so what?  My team is on a completely different level.  Instead I chose to compare them to the much closer Miami team of this year, assuming people could remember that Wade doesn't need LeBron to make it to the Finals.

That Miami team winning 43 games in the CBNBA, huh?  So over .500?  So, essentially, better than half of the CBNBA teams?  I think they would be dead last in the CBNBA West and might be better than 3 teams in the East (ATL, Detroit, El Salvador in no particular order).  So, clearly nowhere near .500 and I think that Miami Heat team would win 30-35 games.  You're free to disagree, but I'm pretty sure this argument has some substance behind it where 43 wins is pretty arbitrary.

That said, I agree with your decision that it would be better to compare your team to the current Miami, but I still think that you should try to distance yourself from that comparison.  You have good players, so establish yourself as a good team of good players instead of an inferior squad to a team that lost in the Finals.  (I know you don't think they are, but most of us do.)  Just giving some friendly advice that I think would make me more likely to look positively on your team.

I'm not trying to make my team look good, I'm trying to be honest.  I'm sticking to my guns.  My team is better in every way, except for SF, and nobody's given me a reason otherwise aside from the "LeBron intangible" argument.

In honesty, and this would help your team out if you can effectively counter-argue this point, I don't think David West is better than Chris Bosh.  (And I mean effectively, because a so-so argument won't do it for me since I'm already fairly convinced that Bosh is better.)

[mgent]

But consider that Heat team for what it was:  how many wins that Heat team would win in the CBNBA?  Does it even make the playoffs in either conference?

Doesn't that speak somewhat to mgent's point?  If voters were evaluating that Heat team, they'd say "One star and a bunch of garbage isn't enough to win".  However, Wade took that team to 47 wins, and a win against a much better Celtics team (plus a couple other close losses).

Wade is phenomenal.  Surround him with a strong, cohesive, defensive-oriented team, and he's plenty good enough to win a title.  Having Wade alone launches Philly into the upper-echelon in this draft; adding West, Iggy, Varejao, Hinrich, Kmart, etc. around him propels Philly into the argument for best in the league.

No, MY point was that those 47 wins were in a league with a horrendous eastern conference.  If mgent is saying "philly's wins will be proportional to how much better they are than that 5th seed (47 win) Miami team" then that argument is invalid here because Heat team doesn't win 47 games in the CBNBA.  They won 47 games because Wade is a superstar, but equally because that Eastern Conference was _________(I'm running out of adjectives here to describe utter crap).

The greatness of Wade is a different argument, I believe, and I don't see myself taking a different side than mgent.  Wade is great.

My point was that he's capable of carrying the load and doing so at a very efficient rate.  He doesn't need another superstar.

Maybe that Heat team only won 43 games in this game, so what?  My team is on a completely different level.  Instead I chose to compare them to the much closer Miami team of this year, assuming people could remember that Wade doesn't need LeBron to make it to the Finals.

That Miami team winning 43 games in the CBNBA, huh?  So over .500?  So, essentially, better than half of the CBNBA teams?  I think they would be dead last in the CBNBA West and might be better than 3 teams in the East (ATL, Detroit, El Salvador in no particular order).  So, clearly nowhere near .500 and I think that Miami Heat team would win 30-35 games.  You're free to disagree, but I'm pretty sure this argument has some substance behind it where 43 wins is pretty arbitrary.

That said, I agree with your decision that it would be better to compare your team to the current Miami, but I still think that you should try to distance yourself from that comparison.  You have good players, so establish yourself as a good team of good players instead of an inferior squad to a team that lost in the Finals.  (I know you don't think they are, but most of us do.)  Just giving some friendly advice that I think would make me more likely to look positively on your team.

I'm not trying to make my team look good, I'm trying to be honest.  I'm sticking to my guns.  My team is better in every way, except for SF, and nobody's given me a reason otherwise aside from the "LeBron intangible" argument.

In honesty, and this would help your team out if you can effectively counter-argue this point, I don't think David West is better than Chris Bosh.  (And I mean effectively, because a so-so argument won't do it for me since I'm already fairly convinced that Bosh is better.)

I think they're about equal in scoring, maybe a slight edge to Bosh in rebounding and a slight edge to West in defense.  The main difference between them is with the Heat Bosh was only a jumpshooting/face-up threat.  West will play closer to the hoop and has a better back to the basket game.

That's not what I was talking about when I said I had improved other areas of the Heat, but I certainly don't think West is that much worse of a 3rd fiddle.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I give the win to the Blazers. Bogut can shut down Big Al defensively and I doubt KG can do the same with Amare.

Baron is an unknown and i believe would be to slow for Kyle Lowry.

Caron could handle James Harden on the other hand on the defensive end.

Derrick Williams I believe could hold his own against Paul. Paul is not as fast and is giving 2 inches against a not so fast SF but can jump and long.

The edge is Amare against KG. As relentless is, I don't think he can stop Amare.