2011 CB Draft Northwest Division Press Conference

[mgent]

To Kane:  No I personally don't think they'll reach that point this upcoming season, or even the one after that.  I said when they got here we'd have 5-6 good years.  But it's still always a small concern with older guys.

Mgent,

Cool man.   I agree with you but sadly I think DA breaks it up which is likely  the best move. Still I though I have loved these teams the last few years and it is sad this era will be coming to an end.

I think they're a little worse each year than they were the last. The moments of 'star quality' minutes are getting fewer and farther between.

But I don't ever think they'll have a 'breakdown' season, where their game is just gone, like Steve Francis experienced, or others. Just a little worse, til they can't take it anymore.

Won't be this year, probably next though.

Pierce:

YR    MP   FG%   3P   3PA   3P%   FT   FTA   FT%  TRB   AST   STL   BLK   PTS
'08  35.9   .464   1.8   4.6   .392   5.1   6.1   .843     5.1    4.5   1.3   0.5         19.6
'09  37.5   .457   1.5   3.8   .391   5.7   6.8   .830     5.6    3.6   1.0   0.3         20.5
'10  34.0   .472   1.5   3.7   .414   5.2   6.1   .852     4.4    3.1   1.2   0.4         18.3
'11  34.7   .497   1.4   3.7   .374   4.8   5.6   .860     5.4    3.3   1.0   0.6         18.9


Ray:

YR  MP   FG%   3P   3PA   3P%   FT   FTA   FT%   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   PTS
‘08   35.9   .445   2.5   6.2   .398   2.9   3.2   .907   3.7   3.1   0.9   0.2      17.4
‘09   36.4   .480   2.5   6.2   .409   3.0   3.2   .952   3.5   2.8   0.9   0.2      18.2
‘10   35.2   .477   1.8   5.0   .363   2.9   3.2   .913   3.2   2.6   0.8   0.3      16.3
‘11   36.1   .491   2.1   4.7   .444   2.4   2.7   .881   3.4   2.7   1.0   0.2      16.5
                                       


Pretty identical, except Pierce was averaging an extra assist 4 years ago.  If the star moments are getting fewer then that means they're getting more consistent.

[indeedproceed]

So does anyone else wanna let me talk them out of thinking that I'm not number 1 in the West?

I do IP.  Without Bogut, do you see yourself being any better than the pre-Carmelo NYK (a .500 team) and why?  How many more wins do you see Bogut bringing to that team?  What do you envision your record being in an 82 game season?  I think Sacramento is a 60 win team.  At this moment, I don't think you will get over 60 wins in the regular season to pass Sacramento.  Convince me that your team will win more than 60 games to be #1 in the west.  (And this is a regular season argument, not a comparison to Sacramento)

Ideally, with Bogut Healthy For 75-80 Games: This team is the best team in the draft. We've got the second best defending center in the league, who is able to guard any other opposing center in the league, as well as being the second best help-defending center in the NBA. His presence along with the rest of my roster gives me the ability to match-up with any team. I've got one of the best defending PG's in the NBA, one of the better defending SF's in the NBA, a better than replacement value and improving defender in James Harden, and Andrew Bogut. As long as I can keep Amar'e focused on guarding his man and not worrying about much else, I think defensively I'm right near the top. Off the bench I have capable defenders in Jerebko, Tolliver, and Lopez.

Defense aside, with Bogut I can go big in the halfcourt, with Lowry playing the roll of a 3pt shooting but not as talented passing Rajon Rondo, Amar'e as a more versatile KG, Delfino as a less talented Ray Allen, and James Harden reprising the role of Paul Pierce, running the 2-man game with Amar'e. Bogut's big body will trouble those who rely on tall lanky defenders, and occupy the few legitimate 'big' centers in the league as well in the paint. I've got scoring on the wings, great ball movement due to Lowry/Harden/Delfino/Bogut, and one of the best changeups in the league in Derrick Williams.

My roster versatility also allows that I'll be able to create mismatches on demand when the starting 5 starts to tire, or becomes stagnant as even the best starting 5 are like to do. Derrick Williams should be a handful for all but a few defenders in the NBA, Anthony Morrow is one of the best shooters in the league, and Ramon Sessions is one of the craftiest guards in basketball at getting to the cup and effectively using the P&R.

Why Bogut should be healthy..ish: I'm playing him only 32 minutes a game, cutting down on fatigue, I'm not asking him to carry the load on offense, and most importantly, he'll now be a year and a half removed from that gruesome elbow injury with hobbled him for most of last season. You mentioned his (relatively) low win-shares # from last season, but more telling was his offensive rating, which dipped substantially because of his lower FG%. That was the elbow. Typically his O-rating has been 107 and up, but last season it dropped almost 10 points. With a fully healed arm, that should pop back up again, along with his efficiency, his win-shares, and his overall game.

Why the Pre-Melo NYK comparison is way off-base:

This is assuming you mean a lineup of Lowry-Harden-Delfino-Williams-STAT, with my bench vs their bench.

1) Kyle Lowry is much, much better than Raymond Felton. He's a much better two-way player, and although Felton started off the year strong offensively in NY, he didn't finish it that way, and I think once you adjust to pace (i haven't checked), Lowry's 7 assists in his minutes match up well with Felton's. On top of that, he shot better, defended better, and rebounded better, all with a lower usage rate.

2) James Harden is much better than Landry Fields: Fields as a defender is at least as good as Harden, and in fact is probably better against the bigger 2's. Also, Fields was asked to guard 3's often which is not a confidence I have in Harden. Fields also throws what has been called 'the best inlet pass in basketball'. He shot the 3 better than Harden, and rebounded better. Honestly, I'd love to have him on my team, big fan. But Harden is the better all-around player. He's the better ball-handler, he's the better shot creator, he's the more versatile scorer, and he's the better facilitator. You can run your offense in a pick and roll setting from James Harden. You can't off of Landry Fields.

3) Carlos Delfino suits me just fine: Delfino isn't the athletic scorer Chandler is, but especially if you look at his preconcussion #'s from 09-10 (or even his post-concussion #'s), Delfino is at least as good from outside as Chandler, he's a better defender by every advanced metric available, he's a better facilitator, is a comparable rebounder. I'd rather have Chandler here I guess in terms of pure talent, but in terms of fit, I think Delfino plays the 3 in this set-up better.

Derrick Williams should be better than Gallinari: Derrick Williams hasn't played a NBA minute yet, but his skillset looks to be much more lethal and versatile than Gallo's. Gallo is weak, a good outside shooter, a terrible rebounder, and a passable scorer at the 4. Derrick Williams is strong, an average rebounder, looks like he'll be a comparable if not better outside shooter, and a much, much, much more efficient and versatile scorer. Also, his strength alone should make him a better defender than Gallo, since neither of them are freak athletes.

I'm not even going to waste your time with my bench mob except to say: Sessions, better. Morrow, better, Jerebko, better. Lopez, better suited to guarding big 5's, Tolliver, comparable to Rony Turiaf. My bench mob kills that Knicks teams' bench mob.

My projected wins if Bogut plays 75 or more games: 62-66.

Projected wins if Bogut plays between 60-75 games: mid to late 50's.

[indeedproceed]

To Kane:  No I personally don't think they'll reach that point this upcoming season, or even the one after that.  I said when they got here we'd have 5-6 good years.  But it's still always a small concern with older guys.

Mgent,

Cool man.  I agree with you but sadly I think DA breaks it up which is likely  the best move. Still I though I have loved these teams the last few years and it is sad this era will be coming to an end.

I think they're a little worse each year than they were the last. The moments of 'star quality' minutes are getting fewer and farther between.

But I don't ever think they'll have a 'breakdown' season, where their game is just gone, like Steve Francis experienced, or others. Just a little worse, til they can't take it anymore.

Won't be this year, probably next though.

Pierce:

YR    MP   FG%   3P   3PA   3P%   FT   FTA   FT%  TRB   AST   STL   BLK   PTS
'08  35.9   .464   1.8   4.6   .392   5.1   6.1   .843     5.1    4.5   1.3   0.5         19.6
'09  37.5   .457   1.5   3.8   .391   5.7   6.8   .830     5.6    3.6   1.0   0.3         20.5
'10  34.0   .472   1.5   3.7   .414   5.2   6.1   .852     4.4    3.1   1.2   0.4         18.3
'11  34.7   .497   1.4   3.7   .374   4.8   5.6   .860     5.4    3.3   1.0   0.6         18.9


Ray:

YR  MP   FG%   3P   3PA   3P%   FT   FTA   FT%   TRB   AST   STL   BLK   PTS
‘08   35.9   .445   2.5   6.2   .398   2.9   3.2   .907   3.7   3.1   0.9   0.2      17.4
‘09   36.4   .480   2.5   6.2   .409   3.0   3.2   .952   3.5   2.8   0.9   0.2      18.2
‘10   35.2   .477   1.8   5.0   .363   2.9   3.2   .913   3.2   2.6   0.8   0.3      16.3
‘11   36.1   .491   2.1   4.7   .444   2.4   2.7   .881   3.4   2.7   1.0   0.2      16.5
                                       


Pretty identical, except Pierce was averaging an extra assist 4 years ago.  If the star moments are getting fewer then that means they're getting more consistent.

I think they're settling in, like an old house.

But don't think they're the same now as they were 3 years ago. That's just not true. You watched the games, same as I did.

[indeedproceed]

And action, if you don't read that wall of text I just wrote instead of watching tosh.0, I'm banning you.

[celticpride07]

OKC,

Rondo has always played alongside great offensive players until now.  He has shown an incredible ability to score in the postseason, but never in the regular season.  What kind of scoring role do you see Rondo playing for your team during the regular season?  Will this positively or negatively impact his ability to get teammates involved during the regular season?

well kobe is still a great offensive player. him and rondo will carry a lot of the scoring; however, i expect rondos passing and play making skills to get thomas and dalembert good looks..artest can still knock down shots and spread the floor for kobe and rondo driving.

[Kane3387]

So does anyone else wanna let me talk them out of thinking that I'm not number 1 in the West?

I do IP.  Without Bogut, do you see yourself being any better than the pre-Carmelo NYK (a .500 team) and why?  How many more wins do you see Bogut bringing to that team?  What do you envision your record being in an 82 game season?  I think Sacramento is a 60 win team.  At this moment, I don't think you will get over 60 wins in the regular season to pass Sacramento.  Convince me that your team will win more than 60 games to be #1 in the west.  (And this is a regular season argument, not a comparison to Sacramento)

Ideally, with Bogut Healthy For 75-80 Games: This team is the best team in the draft. We've got the second best defending center in the league, who is able to guard any other opposing center in the league, as well as being the second best help-defending center in the NBA. His presence along with the rest of my roster gives me the ability to match-up with any team. I've got one of the best defending PG's in the NBA, one of the better defending SF's in the NBA, a better than replacement value and improving defender in James Harden, and Andrew Bogut. As long as I can keep Amar'e focused on guarding his man and not worrying about much else, I think defensively I'm right near the top. Off the bench I have capable defenders in Jerebko, Tolliver, and Lopez.

Defense aside, with Bogut I can go big in the halfcourt, with Lowry playing the roll of a 3pt shooting but not as talented passing Rajon Rondo, Amar'e as a more versatile KG, Delfino as a less talented Ray Allen, and James Harden reprising the role of Paul Pierce, running the 2-man game with Amar'e. Bogut's big body will trouble those who rely on tall lanky defenders, and occupy the few legitimate 'big' centers in the league as well in the paint. I've got scoring on the wings, great ball movement due to Lowry/Harden/Delfino/Bogut, and one of the best changeups in the league in Derrick Williams.

My roster versatility also allows that I'll be able to create mismatches on demand when the starting 5 starts to tire, or becomes stagnant as even the best starting 5 are like to do. Derrick Williams should be a handful for all but a few defenders in the NBA, Anthony Morrow is one of the best shooters in the league, and Ramon Sessions is one of the craftiest guards in basketball at getting to the cup and effectively using the P&R.

Why Bogut should be healthy..ish: I'm playing him only 32 minutes a game, cutting down on fatigue, I'm not asking him to carry the load on offense, and most importantly, he'll now be a year and a half removed from that gruesome elbow injury with hobbled him for most of last season. You mentioned his (relatively) low win-shares # from last season, but more telling was his offensive rating, which dipped substantially because of his lower FG%. That was the elbow. Typically his O-rating has been 107 and up, but last season it dropped almost 10 points. With a fully healed arm, that should pop back up again, along with his efficiency, his win-shares, and his overall game.

Why the Pre-Melo NYK comparison is way off-base:

This is assuming you mean a lineup of Lowry-Harden-Delfino-Williams-STAT, with my bench vs their bench.

1) Kyle Lowry is much, much better than Raymond Felton. He's a much better two-way player, and although Felton started off the year strong offensively in NY, he didn't finish it that way, and I think once you adjust to pace (i haven't checked), Lowry's 7 assists in his minutes match up well with Felton's. On top of that, he shot better, defended better, and rebounded better, all with a lower usage rate.

2) James Harden is much better than Landry Fields: Fields as a defender is at least as good as Harden, and in fact is probably better against the bigger 2's. Also, Fields was asked to guard 3's often which is not a confidence I have in Harden. Fields also throws what has been called 'the best inlet pass in basketball'. He shot the 3 better than Harden, and rebounded better. Honestly, I'd love to have him on my team, big fan. But Harden is the better all-around player. He's the better ball-handler, he's the better shot creator, he's the more versatile scorer, and he's the better facilitator. You can run your offense in a pick and roll setting from James Harden. You can't off of Landry Fields.

3) Carlos Delfino suits me just fine: Delfino isn't the athletic scorer Chandler is, but especially if you look at his preconcussion #'s from 09-10 (or even his post-concussion #'s), Delfino is at least as good from outside as Chandler, he's a better defender by every advanced metric available, he's a better facilitator, is a comparable rebounder. I'd rather have Chandler here I guess in terms of pure talent, but in terms of fit, I think Delfino plays the 3 in this set-up better.

Derrick Williams should be better than Gallinari: Derrick Williams hasn't played a NBA minute yet, but his skillset looks to be much more lethal and versatile than Gallo's. Gallo is weak, a good outside shooter, a terrible rebounder, and a passable scorer at the 4. Derrick Williams is strong, an average rebounder, looks like he'll be a comparable if not better outside shooter, and a much, much, much more efficient and versatile scorer. Also, his strength alone should make him a better defender than Gallo, since neither of them are freak athletes.

I'm not even going to waste your time with my bench mob except to say: Sessions, better. Morrow, better, Jerebko, better. Lopez, better suited to guarding big 5's, Tolliver, comparable to Rony Turiaf. My bench mob kills that Knicks teams' bench mob.

My projected wins if Bogut plays 75 or more games: 62-66.

Projected wins if Bogut plays between 60-75 games: mid to late 50's.

I disagree Felton is much better then Lowry. There was talk he would be an All Star for the Knicks. He has shown he has the propensity to take and make the big shot and he is a more proven commodity. Politics and development is the reason he backed up Lawson, but he is presently the better player. Lowry had to wait for an injury and malcontent to get Brook's job. I seriously doubt Lowry ever becomes more then a role player. He can be a solid starter in the Derek Fisher in his prime mold but unlikely he plays in an All Star game. Presently I would take Felton over him. He's your binkie and I get that, but Felton is the more consistent and better player at the moment.

To say Harden is better then Fields is not that big of a deal. He had a strong playoffs, but I lived in OKC for school and worked for the team his rookie year. There were whispers of bust talk and even people in the organization were wondering how Sam - who is looked at as a god there- could make the mistake of taking Harden over Tyreke. Personally I get it because of fit since Russ and Tyreke would not work but Harden in practice and throughout his time OKC had not proven he could bring more to the starting lineup then Thabo. In essence he couldn't beat him out and still might not have as there have been no guarantees Sefolosha won't be the starter again.

Also Fields is a prime example of what I was talking about. A top 5 rookie all year who completely vanished in the playoffs because he was simply in over his head. The pressure was too much for his lack of experience.

Im taking Chandler over Delfino. He is the better player.

Amare = Amare

Bogut hands down is better then any Knicks center.

Is Sessions really any better then Tony Douglas? Douglas is more explosive but also more reckless. The rest of your bench is better but Jerebko getting 16 mpg on a team that wins 60+ games? I don't see it.

Also what will your pace be like? When Amare played for Terry Porter and Phoenix slowed it down the Suns were bad. He was not happy with the system. History has shown us that he needs to be in a system similar to D'Antoni to maximize his abilities. Bogut is not a fit for a system like that though. What kind of system do you plan on playing and how do you plan on fitting Bogut into it because I assume it will be fast...

[StartOrien]

Lowry had to wait for an injury and malcontent to get Brook's job.

[Who]

I don't think we'll have any 60 win teams in this fantasy league.

There is too much parity for those type of high (or low) win-loss records.

[StartOrien]

Bogut hands down is better then any Knicks center.

Here's a mistake I think people make too frequently.

A break down of each position, a player by player comparison to the fake Blazers and the Knicks, going into great detail about how they compare, and then an off mentioning of Andrew Bogut.

The real life Knicks are a COMPLETELY different team with Andrew Bogut. They go from fringe playoff team to perennial contender. The difference - if any - the surrounding casts (Fields to Harden, Lowry to Felton) aren't anywhere near approaching the incredible difference between Andrew Bogut and who the Knicks played at center.

[indeedproceed]

Bogut hands down is better then any Knicks center.

Here's a mistake I think people make too frequently.

A break down of each position, a player by player comparison to the fake Blazers and the Knicks, going into great detail about how they compare, and then an off mentioning of Andrew Bogut.

The real life Knicks are a COMPLETELY different team with Andrew Bogut. They go from fringe playoff team to perennial contender. The difference - if any - the surrounding casts (Fields to Harden, Lowry to Felton) aren't anywhere near approaching the incredible difference between Andrew Bogut and who the Knicks played at center.

Because the Knicks didn't have a real center Mosgov never looked good, Turiaf had nearly as much problems being a defensive anchor as Amar'e did, and Jared Jeffries as an elite defender (and a defender at the 5) is a myth.

Even that aside, I thought long and hard about comparing my team to the Knicks team. My guys are hands down better 1,2,4, and I think what Delfino would bring is as valuable as what Wilson Chandler is bringing. Wilson Chandler would be a nice asset to have, but he wouldn't get the touches to be as effective as he could be, and I think (and metrics back me) that Delfino's defense against swingmen is better.

[action781]

So does anyone else wanna let me talk them out of thinking that I'm not number 1 in the West?

I do IP.  Without Bogut, do you see yourself being any better than the pre-Carmelo NYK (a .500 team) and why?  How many more wins do you see Bogut bringing to that team?  What do you envision your record being in an 82 game season?  I think Sacramento is a 60 win team.  At this moment, I don't think you will get over 60 wins in the regular season to pass Sacramento.  Convince me that your team will win more than 60 games to be #1 in the west.  (And this is a regular season argument, not a comparison to Sacramento)

Ideally, with Bogut Healthy For 75-80 Games: This team is the best team in the draft. We've got the second best defending center in the league, who is able to guard any other opposing center in the league, as well as being the second best help-defending center in the NBA. His presence along with the rest of my roster gives me the ability to match-up with any team. I've got one of the best defending PG's in the NBA, one of the better defending SF's in the NBA, a better than replacement value and improving defender in James Harden, and Andrew Bogut. As long as I can keep Amar'e focused on guarding his man and not worrying about much else, I think defensively I'm right near the top. Off the bench I have capable defenders in Jerebko, Tolliver, and Lopez.

Defense aside, with Bogut I can go big in the halfcourt, with Lowry playing the roll of a 3pt shooting but not as talented passing Rajon Rondo, Amar'e as a more versatile KG, Delfino as a less talented Ray Allen, and James Harden reprising the role of Paul Pierce, running the 2-man game with Amar'e. Bogut's big body will trouble those who rely on tall lanky defenders, and occupy the few legitimate 'big' centers in the league as well in the paint. I've got scoring on the wings, great ball movement due to Lowry/Harden/Delfino/Bogut, and one of the best changeups in the league in Derrick Williams.

My roster versatility also allows that I'll be able to create mismatches on demand when the starting 5 starts to tire, or becomes stagnant as even the best starting 5 are like to do. Derrick Williams should be a handful for all but a few defenders in the NBA, Anthony Morrow is one of the best shooters in the league, and Ramon Sessions is one of the craftiest guards in basketball at getting to the cup and effectively using the P&R.

Why Bogut should be healthy..ish: I'm playing him only 32 minutes a game, cutting down on fatigue, I'm not asking him to carry the load on offense, and most importantly, he'll now be a year and a half removed from that gruesome elbow injury with hobbled him for most of last season. You mentioned his (relatively) low win-shares # from last season, but more telling was his offensive rating, which dipped substantially because of his lower FG%. That was the elbow. Typically his O-rating has been 107 and up, but last season it dropped almost 10 points. With a fully healed arm, that should pop back up again, along with his efficiency, his win-shares, and his overall game.

Why the Pre-Melo NYK comparison is way off-base:

This is assuming you mean a lineup of Lowry-Harden-Delfino-Williams-STAT, with my bench vs their bench.

1) Kyle Lowry is much, much better than Raymond Felton. He's a much better two-way player, and although Felton started off the year strong offensively in NY, he didn't finish it that way, and I think once you adjust to pace (i haven't checked), Lowry's 7 assists in his minutes match up well with Felton's. On top of that, he shot better, defended better, and rebounded better, all with a lower usage rate.

2) James Harden is much better than Landry Fields: Fields as a defender is at least as good as Harden, and in fact is probably better against the bigger 2's. Also, Fields was asked to guard 3's often which is not a confidence I have in Harden. Fields also throws what has been called 'the best inlet pass in basketball'. He shot the 3 better than Harden, and rebounded better. Honestly, I'd love to have him on my team, big fan. But Harden is the better all-around player. He's the better ball-handler, he's the better shot creator, he's the more versatile scorer, and he's the better facilitator. You can run your offense in a pick and roll setting from James Harden. You can't off of Landry Fields.

3) Carlos Delfino suits me just fine: Delfino isn't the athletic scorer Chandler is, but especially if you look at his preconcussion #'s from 09-10 (or even his post-concussion #'s), Delfino is at least as good from outside as Chandler, he's a better defender by every advanced metric available, he's a better facilitator, is a comparable rebounder. I'd rather have Chandler here I guess in terms of pure talent, but in terms of fit, I think Delfino plays the 3 in this set-up better.

Derrick Williams should be better than Gallinari: Derrick Williams hasn't played a NBA minute yet, but his skillset looks to be much more lethal and versatile than Gallo's. Gallo is weak, a good outside shooter, a terrible rebounder, and a passable scorer at the 4. Derrick Williams is strong, an average rebounder, looks like he'll be a comparable if not better outside shooter, and a much, much, much more efficient and versatile scorer. Also, his strength alone should make him a better defender than Gallo, since neither of them are freak athletes.

I'm not even going to waste your time with my bench mob except to say: Sessions, better. Morrow, better, Jerebko, better. Lopez, better suited to guarding big 5's, Tolliver, comparable to Rony Turiaf. My bench mob kills that Knicks teams' bench mob.

My projected wins if Bogut plays 75 or more games: 62-66.

Projected wins if Bogut plays between 60-75 games: mid to late 50's.

Oh.  I read it.

But I'm not convinced.  What does "much, much" mean?  I think Lowry is better than Felton.  No better offensively, equal defensively.  "Better rebounder"?  By half a rebound per game.  Wow.  "Shot better"?  From 3, yes (only when Felton was in NYK).  Overall fg?  Same.  Your argument here has done nothing to improve on my original idea that Lowry is a bit better than Felton, but not by any leaps nor bounds.

You say Harden is "much better" than Fields, yet you pointed out a bunch of areas that Fields is, in fact, better.  My original opinion was that Harden is "slightly better" and you haven't convinced me otherwise.

I'd take Chandler over Delfino as you would also.

I'm not convinced that Williams will be better than Gallinari in year 1.  Eventually, sure.  But there's a lot for Williams to learn about the NBA game.

As for the bench... Sessions is better than who?  Toney Douglas?  Why, because I disagree.  Jerebko better than who?  Bill Walker?  Debatable.  Lopez better suited to guard bigs than Turiaf?  Strongly disagree.

So, I haven't been convinced.  With the even spread of talent in the CNBA, I think you win 40-44 games w/o Bogut (for extended time).  I think you win 49-55 games with Bogut healthy (70+ games) which is what I'm going to presume in my voting.  That's just my take.

[StartOrien]

That being said, 62-66 wins is borderline ridiculous, IP.

[Roy H.]

My projected wins if Bogut plays 75 or more games: 62-66.

I have the Blazers first in their division, but I don't think there's any way they come close to 66 wins.

[indeedproceed]

That being said, 62-66 wins is borderline ridiculous, IP.

That's probably fair. I just figured how many wins this team could achieve if it stayed healthy all-year long, and I think that's about right. However, nobody is ever healthy all year, and this league is stocked full of good teams.

I'll make my expectations more realistic.

61-65 wins predicted.

[action781]

That being said, 62-66 wins is borderline ridiculous, IP.

That's probably fair. I just figured how many wins this team could achieve if it stayed healthy all-year long, and I think that's about right. However, nobody is ever healthy all year, and this league is stocked full of good teams.

I'll make my expectations more realistic.

61-65 wins predicted.

Very nice