And you're expecting Chauncey to get better assist numbers on the reasoning that his #'s dipped because MELO was too ball-dominant?
Because Melo was too ball dominant? And LeBron is going to be less ball-dominant?
Is this the new 'meta humor' I keep hearing the kids talk about?
You're not understanding the point. If your argument is(and it does seem to be that) that Lowry is a better distributor based on his having more assists per year than Chauncey has had recently then your thinking is flawed.
The reason Chauncey's assist numbers have been down is because he played with a ball dominant player.
His passing and distribution skills did not change they are still exceptional and better than Lowry's. You can't gauge their passing skills based solely on assists because of the player Billups played with. When he wasn't playing with Melo his assists were almost 2-2.5 assist per game higher.
I am not saying Billups assists are going to increase but what I am saying is that he is a better passer and distributor but it doesn't show up in his assist totals because of the ball dominant player he plays with and will play with here with the Kings.
Well, that kind of logic seems flawed to me. If you look at Lowry's stats through his entire career (and he's only played 5 seasons), his per-36 numbers as far as a facilitator are identical to Billups'. 6.2 assists, 2.3 turnovers. All that with a lower usage rate (18 to 22), poorer quality teammates, and the fact that he's been younger than 25 for the entire time. He pays for his rookie mistakes without reaching his peak and STILL matches Billups' numbers.
The second reason its flawed is for the same exact reason that you doubt Lowry. You're saying 'prove it', to a guy who is 25 and just coming into his peak years. But at the same time you're telling me that a guy who is 35 now, who will be 36 before the lockout ends, and who hasn't averaged more than 7 assists per 36 minutes in a season since he was 31 is somehow going to get back to those numbers because he's not playing with ball-dominant Carmelo Anthony, but he is playing with more as much or more ball-dominant LeBron James? You're telling me that at this time next season we're going to look back on this draft and say Billups, at age 36, regained a form he hasn't shown in 5 years, and end up being a better ball distributor than Kyle Lowry?
Seriously?
No, I get it. You're just messing with me, winding me up. Well played.
The part in blue where you accuse me of telling you things is completely refuted by the part in red that I wrote.
Perhaps you missed it.
I did miss it then. You're telling me, that although Lowry plays with historically worse teammates, is younger, yet has more assists per 36 minutes, fewer turnovers per 36 minutes, and should improve on those numbers next season if his career is any indicator, Billups is still a better distributor, and the proof you're offering is 'because I say so'?
My reactions:
-Nice point on Lebron, IP. And even got a good sarcastic insult in there too! Love it!
-OK, IP was completely avoiding nick's real point.
-Nice career comparison IP. Surprising numbers there.
-IP, you
were putting words in nick's mouth? What a jerk that IP can be.
-Wait a second... nick pretty much is just saying that Billups is a plain better facilitator with no real evidence.
My thoughts: I kind of get where nick is coming from with the "because I say so" argument. I mean, really, ask 100 basketball fans who is the better distributor and 99 will say Billups. I definitely would have said so. It's kind of a trump card in this argument for nick. IP, you're going to need to continue to use the statistical evidence and especially the aging argument for Lowry. It's working as my original opinion is starting to sway your way, but I'm still leaning Billups.
I'm looking forward to more of these if you guys meet
Topic: 2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings (Read 591144 times)