2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I don't have to defend Dray anymore.

[indeedproceed]

I don't have to defend Dray anymore.

Honestly speaking it was a headache your team couldn't handle. I think it was a smart move.

EDIT: And let me elaborate..because that came off kind of terse.

Andray Blatche is one of those guys that you can really only handle one of. Baron Davis is another (assuming he's your starter). Zach Randolph used to be one of those guys, but I think the tide has shifted there. ------- ------- is another one of those guys, especially with his recent arrest for possession.

Its a double edged sword because on the one hand, you see the talent clear as day. But on the other hand..well in the other hand is a big bowl a crap you've got to deal with if you want to exploit the talent.

[action781]

how do people feel about blatche as a second unit scorer

Like I feel about using a shotgun to kill a housefly. It should do the job..but there will be unintended consequences.

But at least it'll be entertaining to watch.

The same way i feel abour BBD as a rimary option as second unit scorer

It gives me desire of kill myself

We are being too hard on Blatche.  I mean the guy is an NBA talent, he has to have some role on a team.  He's just not a starter and not a guy you want taking 10+ fga per game.

As a first big off the bench, he's not bad.  A very good second big off the bench.  As bad as he is defensively, he at least should play even overall against most bench bigs.

And WOW, IP.  Laugh out loud stuff right there.  Thank you and TP.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I don't have to defend Dray anymore.

Honestly speaking it was a headache your team couldn't handle. I think it was a smart move.

Im a bit torn. I still believe he's a solid option. But everyone hates him and I had a deal which I think is okay. So thank you OKC for relieving me of those tough debates.

[celticpride07]

cousins and hickson are the kings frontcourt future...they ae both solid rebounders and not bad 3rd and 4th options offensively with kobe and melo.  cousins brings toughness, energy and beastness to the lineup.


"blatche will just be blatche"..as a reserve.

plus blatche as more talented than any big i would find in the 8th round

[action781]

cousins and hickson are the kings frontcourt future...they ae both solid rebounders and not bad 3rd and 4th options offensively with kobe and melo.  cousins brings toughness, energy and beastness to the lineup.


"blatche will just be blatche"..as a reserve.

Hickson, Cousins, and Blatche.  I don't know what to say.  That is just one of the weirdest frontcourts I've seen in these games.  I really just don't know what to say or make of it.

[celticpride07]

cousins and hickson are the kings frontcourt future...they ae both solid rebounders and not bad 3rd and 4th options offensively with kobe and melo.  cousins brings toughness, energy and beastness to the lineup.


"blatche will just be blatche"..as a reserve.

Hickson, Cousins, and Blatche.  I don't know what to say.  That is just one of the weirdest frontcourts I've seen in these games.  I really just don't know what to say or make of it.

hickson and cousins are a real life pairing now.  this is like a real life kings team turned contender with kobe and melo

[celticpride07]

Wow... Everyone has Utah last? Seriously? Gasol and pierce get no love.

we are probably in the toughest division thats why..its too early to decide really.

[action781]

I don't have to defend Dray anymore.

Yoki, it takes a while to figure out this game.  If you draft a player that you like and others don't like him, that's fine.  That's the fun of the game - putting together a team you like and defending it.  If you draft a player that you don't like and screw up a pick, then it's ok to admit to screwing up the pick and be sure to say that he's on the block for a team that needs (insert positives about the player).

Because you were just defending this player to the grave as a 16-8 guy who is going to become very efficient next to Rondo.  And you just traded him for an 8th rounder?  If you really thought that, then keep him and do your best to defend it.  If you were BSing, then that's OK (we all do it haha).  But the key is not to expose your BSing and it gets exposed when you talk a guy up like that and then trade him away for an 8th round pick.

Also, other posters have mentioned, don't feel such a quick urge to trade away players.  That trade offer likely would have still been on the table on Wednesday when round 8 came around.  And who knows... maybe a team desperate for offense off the bench (Chicago?) would have traded a better pick or even player for him.

[Roy H.]

Wow... Everyone has Utah last? Seriously? Gasol and pierce get no love.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding your strategy.  I *loved* your shrewd moves to put Pau and Paul together.  You were sitting pretty, and I thought for sure you'd be one of the teams to beat. 

After that, though, it's seem like you've been more interested in accumulating late-round talent than you have in putting together quality talent around your top-two.  Dalembert and Miller simply aren't nearly good enough to be the 3rd and 4th best players on a competitive team in this league.

[nickagneta]

And you're expecting Chauncey to get better assist numbers on the reasoning that his #'s dipped because MELO was too ball-dominant?

Because Melo was too ball dominant? And LeBron is going to be less ball-dominant?

Is this the new 'meta humor' I keep hearing the kids talk about?

You're not understanding the point. If your argument is(and it does seem to be that) that Lowry is a better distributor based on his having more assists per year than Chauncey has had recently then your thinking is flawed.

The reason Chauncey's assist numbers have been down is because he played with a ball dominant player.

His passing and distribution skills did not change they are still exceptional and better than Lowry's. You can't gauge their passing skills based solely on assists because of the player Billups played with. When he wasn't playing with Melo his assists were almost 2-2.5 assist per game higher.

I am not saying Billups assists are going to increase but what I am saying is that he is a better passer and distributor but it doesn't show up in his assist totals because of the ball dominant player he plays with and will play with here with the Kings.

[Kane3387]

Wow... Everyone has Utah last? Seriously? Gasol and pierce get no love.

Honestly, I'm having a hard time understanding your strategy.  I *loved* your shrewd moves to put Pau and Paul together.  You were sitting pretty, and I thought for sure you'd be one of the teams to beat. 

After that, though, it's seem like you've been more interested in accumulating late-round talent than you have in putting together quality talent around your top-two.  Dalembert and Miller simply aren't nearly good enough to be the 3rd and 4th best players on a competitive team in this league.

There are eight teams in the west with teams that have as great a one-two punch as pierce and gasol and better third and fourth options then Sam and Andre?

[indeedproceed]

And you're expecting Chauncey to get better assist numbers on the reasoning that his #'s dipped because MELO was too ball-dominant?

Because Melo was too ball dominant? And LeBron is going to be less ball-dominant?

Is this the new 'meta humor' I keep hearing the kids talk about?

You're not understanding the point. If your argument is(and it does seem to be that) that Lowry is a better distributor based on his having more assists per year than Chauncey has had recently then your thinking is flawed.

The reason Chauncey's assist numbers have been down is because he played with a ball dominant player.

His passing and distribution skills did not change they are still exceptional and better than Lowry's. You can't gauge their passing skills based solely on assists because of the player Billups played with. When he wasn't playing with Melo his assists were almost 2-2.5 assist per game higher.

I am not saying Billups assists are going to increase but what I am saying is that he is a better passer and distributor but it doesn't show up in his assist totals because of the ball dominant player he plays with and will play with here with the Kings.

Well, that kind of logic seems flawed to me. If you look at Lowry's stats through his entire career (and he's only played 5 seasons), his per-36 numbers as far as a facilitator are identical to Billups'. 6.2 assists, 2.3 turnovers. All that with a lower usage rate (18 to 22), poorer quality teammates, and the fact that he's been younger than 25 for the entire time. He pays for his rookie mistakes without reaching his peak and STILL matches Billups' numbers.

The second reason its flawed is for the same exact reason that you doubt Lowry. You're saying 'prove it', to a guy who is 25 and just coming into his peak years. But at the same time you're telling me that a guy who is 35 now, who will be 36 before the lockout ends, and who hasn't averaged more than 7 assists per 36 minutes in a season since he was 31 is somehow going to get back to those numbers because he's not playing with ball-dominant Carmelo Anthony, but he is playing with more as much or more ball-dominant LeBron James? You're telling me that at this time next season we're going to look back on this draft and say Billups, at age 36, regained a form he hasn't shown in 5 years, and end up being a better ball distributor than Kyle Lowry?

Seriously?

No, I get it. You're just messing with me, winding me up. Well played.

[nickagneta]

And you're expecting Chauncey to get better assist numbers on the reasoning that his #'s dipped because MELO was too ball-dominant?

Because Melo was too ball dominant? And LeBron is going to be less ball-dominant?

Is this the new 'meta humor' I keep hearing the kids talk about?

You're not understanding the point. If your argument is(and it does seem to be that) that Lowry is a better distributor based on his having more assists per year than Chauncey has had recently then your thinking is flawed.

The reason Chauncey's assist numbers have been down is because he played with a ball dominant player.

His passing and distribution skills did not change they are still exceptional and better than Lowry's. You can't gauge their passing skills based solely on assists because of the player Billups played with. When he wasn't playing with Melo his assists were almost 2-2.5 assist per game higher.

I am not saying Billups assists are going to increase but what I am saying is that he is a better passer and distributor but it doesn't show up in his assist totals because of the ball dominant player he plays with and will play with here with the Kings.

Well, that kind of logic seems flawed to me. If you look at Lowry's stats through his entire career (and he's only played 5 seasons), his per-36 numbers as far as a facilitator are identical to Billups'. 6.2 assists, 2.3 turnovers. All that with a lower usage rate (18 to 22), poorer quality teammates, and the fact that he's been younger than 25 for the entire time. He pays for his rookie mistakes without reaching his peak and STILL matches Billups' numbers.

The second reason its flawed is for the same exact reason that you doubt Lowry. You're saying 'prove it', to a guy who is 25 and just coming into his peak years. But at the same time you're telling me that a guy who is 35 now, who will be 36 before the lockout ends, and who hasn't averaged more than 7 assists per 36 minutes in a season since he was 31 is somehow going to get back to those numbers because he's not playing with ball-dominant Carmelo Anthony, but he is playing with more as much or more ball-dominant LeBron James? You're telling me that at this time next season we're going to look back on this draft and say Billups, at age 36, regained a form he hasn't shown in 5 years, and end up being a better ball distributor than Kyle Lowry?

Seriously?

No, I get it. You're just messing with me, winding me up. Well played.

The part in blue where you accuse me of telling you things is completely refuted by the part in red that I wrote.

Perhaps you missed it.

[indeedproceed]

And you're expecting Chauncey to get better assist numbers on the reasoning that his #'s dipped because MELO was too ball-dominant?

Because Melo was too ball dominant? And LeBron is going to be less ball-dominant?

Is this the new 'meta humor' I keep hearing the kids talk about?

You're not understanding the point. If your argument is(and it does seem to be that) that Lowry is a better distributor based on his having more assists per year than Chauncey has had recently then your thinking is flawed.

The reason Chauncey's assist numbers have been down is because he played with a ball dominant player.

His passing and distribution skills did not change they are still exceptional and better than Lowry's. You can't gauge their passing skills based solely on assists because of the player Billups played with. When he wasn't playing with Melo his assists were almost 2-2.5 assist per game higher.

I am not saying Billups assists are going to increase but what I am saying is that he is a better passer and distributor but it doesn't show up in his assist totals because of the ball dominant player he plays with and will play with here with the Kings.

Well, that kind of logic seems flawed to me. If you look at Lowry's stats through his entire career (and he's only played 5 seasons), his per-36 numbers as far as a facilitator are identical to Billups'. 6.2 assists, 2.3 turnovers. All that with a lower usage rate (18 to 22), poorer quality teammates, and the fact that he's been younger than 25 for the entire time. He pays for his rookie mistakes without reaching his peak and STILL matches Billups' numbers.

The second reason its flawed is for the same exact reason that you doubt Lowry. You're saying 'prove it', to a guy who is 25 and just coming into his peak years. But at the same time you're telling me that a guy who is 35 now, who will be 36 before the lockout ends, and who hasn't averaged more than 7 assists per 36 minutes in a season since he was 31 is somehow going to get back to those numbers because he's not playing with ball-dominant Carmelo Anthony, but he is playing with more as much or more ball-dominant LeBron James? You're telling me that at this time next season we're going to look back on this draft and say Billups, at age 36, regained a form he hasn't shown in 5 years, and end up being a better ball distributor than Kyle Lowry?

Seriously?

No, I get it. You're just messing with me, winding me up. Well played.

The part in blue where you accuse me of telling you things is completely refuted by the part in red that I wrote.

Perhaps you missed it.

I did miss it then. You're telling me, that although Lowry plays with historically worse teammates, is younger, yet has more assists per 36 minutes, fewer turnovers per 36 minutes, and should improve on those numbers next season if his career is any indicator, Billups is still a better distributor, and the proof you're offering is 'because I say so'?