2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[action781]

Alright, here goes:

PG: Ty Lawson, Baron Davis (maybe not in that order. For questions, see my treatise on BDiddy in the draft thread).
SG: Stephen Jackson
SF: Nicolas Batum
PF: Dirk Nowitzki
C: DeAndre Jordan, Marcus Camby

I don't like Davis on this team.

I think you need a better 2nd option out there to open things up more for Dirk.  I don't see the explosive secondary scorer this years Mavs had.  

Playoff team, no doubt.

I agree. If you could trade him for later picks, I would go with one of the remaining decent pg's as a backup.

Baron Davis and S-Jax are a terrible combo in my opinion.  I think they are going to encourage and support eachother's nonsense like they did in GS.  Trade B-Diddy for the best available draft pick.  I just picture them getting thrown out of games together like they did in GS and you losing two rotational players in one big game instead of just one.  I know its probably an exaggeration, but its seriously what I envision.  And I think they would eat into Dirk's shot attempts and Dirk would be too mild mannered to say anything to them about it.

Follow the Mav's formula:  put shooters and guys who can move the ball around Dirk.  Lawson will be able to fill the JJ Barea role nicely playing pick and roll with Dirk.  I seriously think all the players you have put around Dirk are great fits except B Diddy.  I don't care how much you think they've matured.  If you were in a playoff matchup against my team, and I go draft Darius Miles, what would be your first attack against my team?  (I have zach randolph)

[Kane3387]

PG: to be determined
SG: Jason Richardson
SF: Carmelo Anthony
PF: Udonis Haslem
C:  Joakim Noah

Feel free to submit to me *via PM* your suggestion for PG from those players still left on the board. I have a couple in mind, but am curious to hear what others think (and why).

Don't like haslem as the starter or Melo as the leader of your team. Do like Noah's fire and the way Richardson complements Melo. You need a guy with a post game though and a pg who knows how to effectively run the offense and distribute it.

[celticpride07]

comments on this as of now?

            PG. Steve Nash  
            SG. Kobe Bryant
            SF. Trevor Ariza
            PF. JJ Hickson
             C. Chris Kaman

[action781]

Hows this team:

pg: Conoly Jr/K Irving
SG:Rip Hamilton
sF:Durant
PF:Scola
C:Perkins

thoughts??

After looking this team up and down I think this is a very well-balanced team.  I mean you've got one of the 3-5 guys in the NBA who can carry an offense all by himself no matter who is defending him (no matter how many GMs here will say that their guy can) with Scola who can make things happen on offense too and two guards who at least aren't liabilities on offense.  You won't have a problem with any players not getting enough touches and Durant can legit carry an offense by himself.  But you gotta get another offensive firecracker off the bench to help a little and for when he subs out.  Maybe a backup PG who can really score and/or distribute.  I see 3 of them that could be starters elsewhere and would fit your team well.  While Irving was good value, I'm not sure he'd bring much to this team as a rookie next year in limited minutes.  At least not compared to players available.

Then you have solid defenders at 3 positions, a SG who I think is declining but still can defend OK, and a SF who unfortunately cant defend.

You can rebound very well.

This team lacks athleticism, but KD is a G. Perk and Scola do not move their feet that well. I think this team gets torched by a good frontcourt combo. The Blazers are the worst matchup for them. I love the Hamilton pickup. He will be fresh from all the time off and he was never hurt. Great value for a guy who can shoot from anywhere. Him and Ray Allen are becoming the last of their kind. Well there is Kevin Martin... How will Perk look next year also?

I think Perk's athleticism is underrated because he's so widely known for his strength.  I've seen him get out and trap Lebron and force Lebron into awkward situations 12 feet from the hoop.  Unathletic players can't do that.  If he is unathletic, then he uses his defensive bball IQ to make up for it (like Bruce Bowen).

[celticpride07]

Sacramento Kings aka Dinboxerbots


Devin Harris 6'3" PG 15.2 PPG, 7.1 APG, 2.4 RPG, 1.0 SPG 32.2% 3PT, 83.3% FT%

Wesley Matthews 6'5" SG 15.9 PPG, 2.0 APG, 3.1 RPG, 1.2 SPG, 40.8% 3PT, 84.4% FT%

LeBron James 6'8" SF 26.7 PPG, 7.0 APG, 7.5 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 33% 3PT, 75.9 FT%

Paul Millsap 6'8" PF 17.3 PPG, 2.5 APG, 7.6 RPG, 1.4 SPG, 53.8 FG%, 75.7% FT%

Tyson Chandler 7'1" C 10.1 PPG, 0.4 APG, 9.4 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 65.4% FG%, 73.2 FT%

lebron cant win with 2 other superstars so idk what hes going to do with this lineup haha...but seriously i think this is a really solid team however i dont really know alot about wes matthews except he replaced b roy pretty well.  harris is an underrated pointguard who is immature and im not not sure lebron is a good role model for him. but overall this team will be great on defense and has a lot of talent.

[Kane3387]

comments on this as of now?

            PG. Steve Nash  
            SG. Kobe Bryant
            SF. Trevor Ariza
            PF. JJ Hickson
             C. Chris Kaman

Great guards. Good team. Depends on the style though. Nash has to be in an uptempo system. Kaman is not a runner so I think he needs a solid backup that can run. You know maybe like a guy who can help him stunt like his daddy or something. IDK, but he wsa a Center last year and has a good post game. Lol but anyways I think Hickson will play well off Kobe and Nash. It's hard to argue with Kobe and Nash. Kobe has never really played with a pg of that caliber. Definitely a playoff team as of now in my opinion.

[action781]

PG: Kyle Lowry
SG:?
SF: Derrick Williams
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire
C: Andrew Bogut

I formidable front court pairing as I believe Bogut to be a top 4 center in this leage and Amare is an offensive stud. I think Williams will be a very good player eventually but like Evan Turner last year will struggle out of the gates.

I don't know what to make of Lowry. Career backup that seemed destined for role player status forever, is give his shot and does well. Can he sustain that? is he that good? Prove it to me year for him.

Bogut  and Amare is great but is Bogut a number 2 on a contender? Can he stay healthy? If so that is nice, but Williams is a reach. So unproven at this point. Is he Beasley like where he just cant seem to be efficient? Will be able to get his points against the top guys in the NBA as he has to guard them on the other end? I think Fould trouble could be a problem for this kid if he is asked to guard 3s. Lowry was too high. You need a better pick and roll guy with Amare.

Some very good questions here.  As a guy who owns Bogut and the frustrations that go along with owning him in a keeper fantasy basketball league, I'm not sure he can stay healthy.  He is always on my trading block.  If he's healthy, then wow, that's an easy top 3 frontcourt in this league.

I think Lowry is one of the most underrated players in the entire NBA; the guy is fierce, he can defend, he can score, he can pass.  I've loved him since his 'Nova days.  But I agree that a pick and roll guy would be better with Amare.  There are lots of teams that could use an offensive creator that should have interest in Lowry.

I think D. Williams was drafted way too high (as a starter) since I can't really imagine him outproducing another similar size and skillset 3/4 who hasn't been drafted yet.  Make that two guys like that.  Bring him as a 6th man off the bench and I instantly love him.  Do it, IP.

One thing I think this team is lacking is an identity.  Not a defensive team.  Not a fast breaking offensive team (which Amare would accel in).  Not a team that I see being particularly amazing in the half court game yet since there isn't a ton of great passing in the 1-2-3 positions and it doesn't really have the stellar defense to go along with it yet.  While a team with good size and rebounding, still not a "pound it down low" team like the Pacers.  But still lots of time to find what that identity will be.

[Kane3387]

Well since I gave my 2 cents on some teams, it's only fair that I allow you to do the same. I was not trying to be overly critical of any team, and just give an honest opinion of it. I think the Pacers are number 1 for sure. I think the Warriors are number 2 if they do the right lineup. I think a few teams could be argued as the third best team. That is just my opinion though.

Utah Jazz

SF - Paul Pierce
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Sam Dalembert
SG - 6.7
PG - Andre Miller

Bench - 6.9
Bench - 6.20
Bench - 6.22

Gasol is arguably the most talented player on this team. A perennial All Star but not a #1 guy.
Pierce is a leader, clutch player, and warrior. He is my captain. Yet, he can't do it alone but with Gasol I get an All Star Big and Pierce an All Star Wing. They compliment each other nicely.

Dalembert will get more minutes and I expect his number to go up as a result. At 24 mpg he got 8 and 8 last year. I am looking for blocks, double doubles, and a guy to finish lobs. He along with Gasol provide a lot of length.

Miller is a solid pg. He will never get rattled and almost always make the correct play. He doesn't shoot the three well but he has a great post game and great court awareness and vision.

The next round is big for me. It will set up my key 8 man playoff rotation. My team is being built for the playoffs. They are a veteran group that will play very well in the halfcourt and no moment will ever be too big for them.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

I'm putting my team up for criticism/positive feedbacks for everyone.



Atlanta Army Ants:

PG - Rajon Rondo

pass first/assist machine
can create open opportunities for teammates
can't make jumpshots

SG - Caron Butler

good scorer
can make outside shots and drive to the lane
coming off an injury and a little old

SF - Gerald Wallace

GREAT man and help defender
tough and gritty on both ends
has tendency to fall in love with jumpshots, which he's not as good.

PF - Andray Blatche

Big and athletic
has a solid mid range game
poor defense, decision making and WAY poor maturity issues

C - Jermaine O'neal

Tenacious interior defender
Solid post game
Fragile and lost a step or two (or four)

G - Jamal Crawford

can score in bunches
can create own shots
chuckler and tends to shoots ill advised shots


Bring it guys.

[action781]

Sacramento Kings aka Dinboxerbots


Devin Harris 6'3" PG 15.2 PPG, 7.1 APG, 2.4 RPG, 1.0 SPG 32.2% 3PT, 83.3% FT%

Wesley Matthews 6'5" SG 15.9 PPG, 2.0 APG, 3.1 RPG, 1.2 SPG, 40.8% 3PT, 84.4% FT%

LeBron James 6'8" SF 26.7 PPG, 7.0 APG, 7.5 RPG, 1.5 SPG, 33% 3PT, 75.9 FT%

Paul Millsap 6'8" PF 17.3 PPG, 2.5 APG, 7.6 RPG, 1.4 SPG, 53.8 FG%, 75.7% FT%

Tyson Chandler 7'1" C 10.1 PPG, 0.4 APG, 9.4 RPG, 1.1 BPG, 65.4% FG%, 73.2 FT%

I find these stats to be irrelevant.  Milsap isn't getting 13fga and scoring 17ppg on this team.  If so, then you can expect Lebron, Wes, and Devin's #'s to go wayyy down based on loss of fga.  Your current ppg are based on 62 fga between those 5 players.  What's the average in a game?  80 or so?

While that sounds nitpicking, it brings up a serious question to me.  Like other posters have questioned:  will Harris and Lebron be a good fit?  I opened this to tell you, other posters are overplaying this whole Harris/Lebron thing (while I do think there are better fits out there you should have grabbed).  My question now becomes:  are there enough balls out there to keep everyone happy?  I think millsap will be OK with fewer touches, which will bring him down to 13 ppg scoring.  I don't know how it will affect Matthews' game.  Harris, I just haven't seen play on a competitive team recently enough to know what kind of ball he would play alongside other players.  I'm leaning towards playing well, but it would take a while for him to adjust like Jason Terry did, while playing better defense.  If fga have to come away from 1 or 2 players, I'm very interested to know, who are you taking them away from?

But you have one of the best defensive teams in the league and one of the top overall teams (essentially, you got Lebron and didn't screw it up).  Defense was the right route to go with Lebron, not offense, and you did that very well without leaving Lebron all alone on offense.

[celticpride07]

Well since I gave my 2 cents on some teams, it's only fair that I allow you to do the same. I was not trying to be overly critical of any team, and just give an honest opinion of it. I think the Pacers are number 1 for sure. I think the Warriors are number 2 if they do the right lineup. I think a few teams could be argued as the third best team. That is just my opinion though.

Utah Jazz

SF - Paul Pierce
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Sam Dalembert
SG - 6.7
PG - Andre Miller

Bench - 6.9
Bench - 6.20
Bench - 6.22

Gasol is arguably the most talented player on this team. A perennial All Star but not a #1 guy.
Pierce is a leader, clutch player, and warrior. He is my captain. Yet, he can't do it alone but with Gasol I get an All Star Big and Pierce an All Star Wing. They compliment each other nicely.

Dalembert will get more minutes and I expect his number to go up as a result. At 24 mpg he got 8 and 8 last year. I am looking for blocks, double doubles, and a guy to finish lobs. He along with Gasol provide a lot of length.

Miller is a solid pg. He will never get rattled and almost always make the correct play. He doesn't shoot the three well but he has a great post game and great court awareness and vision.

The next round is big for me. It will set up my key 8 man playoff rotation. My team is being built for the playoffs. They are a veteran group that will play very well in the halfcourt and no moment will ever be too big for them.

i like the pierce and gasol duo. i think dalembert is just ok and not as good as he use to be. miller is a solid point guard and i think with your next 4 picks you will have a very good team and playoffs for sure.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

PG: Kyle Lowry
SG:?
SF: Derrick Williams
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire
C: Andrew Bogut

This is one tough team. Stoudemire is a scoring machine and Bogut is a physical presence. Derrick Williams looks like he can hang and Kyle Lowry isn't as bad.

Only concern is, well, I did say Williams can hang but he is still unproven. Bogut is injury prone and Amare is, i think a lot will agree that he is not that good of a defender and if Bogut goes down again he might take the Center spot. Kyle Lowry is solid though.

Overall, since this team is not yet complete i could say it can compete but I think it's far from calling it a lock.

My opinion.

[action781]

Well since I gave my 2 cents on some teams, it's only fair that I allow you to do the same. I was not trying to be overly critical of any team, and just give an honest opinion of it. I think the Pacers are number 1 for sure. I think the Warriors are number 2 if they do the right lineup. I think a few teams could be argued as the third best team. That is just my opinion though.

Utah Jazz

SF - Paul Pierce
PF - Pau Gasol
C - Sam Dalembert
SG - 6.7
PG - Andre Miller

Bench - 6.9
Bench - 6.20
Bench - 6.22

Gasol is arguably the most talented player on this team. A perennial All Star but not a #1 guy.
Pierce is a leader, clutch player, and warrior. He is my captain. Yet, he can't do it alone but with Gasol I get an All Star Big and Pierce an All Star Wing. They compliment each other nicely.

Dalembert will get more minutes and I expect his number to go up as a result. At 24 mpg he got 8 and 8 last year. I am looking for blocks, double doubles, and a guy to finish lobs. He along with Gasol provide a lot of length.

Miller is a solid pg. He will never get rattled and almost always make the correct play. He doesn't shoot the three well but he has a great post game and great court awareness and vision.

The next round is big for me. It will set up my key 8 man playoff rotation. My team is being built for the playoffs. They are a veteran group that will play very well in the halfcourt and no moment will ever be too big for them.

I like your Pierce-Gasol duo.  They are both very talented offensively, both solid defensively, and a good fit alongside eachother.

I like Dalembert as a center for this team since you won't need much offense from there, similar to the '08-'10 celtics.

I don't like Andre Miller as a fit for this team.  Yes, he's solid.  But he likes to run the fast break and I don't see a SG yet and Pierce is solid, yet pretty average, on the break.  I think a pick and roll PG would be a fantastic guy to put alongside Pau.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Memphis Grizzlies

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Ray Allen
SF: Tayshaun Prince
PF: Kris Humphries
C:  Roy Hibbert

D-Rose and Ray could be a formidable back court. Derrick can draw double teams and Ray could be open. Humphries is a rebounding dude, and will create 2nd chance points. Prince has a solid mid range and Hibbert has a favorable post game. Solid.

The front court, in my opinion would have a hard time against solid post players though. Humphries and Hibbert are solid but not great inside. Prince is great but lost a step.

Overall, this bunch can score points. But it'll have a hard time against post up players.

My opinion.

[celticpride07]

I'm putting my team up for criticism/positive feedbacks for everyone.



Atlanta Army Ants:

PG - Rajon Rondo

pass first/assist machine
can create open opportunities for teammates
can't make jumpshots

SG - Caron Butler

good scorer
can make outside shots and drive to the lane
coming off an injury and a little old

SF - Gerald Wallace

GREAT man and help defender
tough and gritty on both ends
has tendency to fall in love with jumpshots, which he's not as good.

PF - Andray Blatche

Big and athletic
has a solid mid range game
poor defense, decision making and WAY poor maturity issues

C - Jermaine O'neal

Tenacious interior defender
Solid post game
Fragile and lost a step or two (or four)

G - Jamal Crawford

can score in bunches
can create own shots
chuckler and tends to shoots ill advised shots


Bring it guys.

i really don't think this team is a playoff team and could use a shakeup. my reasoning is butler was injured for most of the year and might not be the same player and blatche is a "cancer."  jermanie oneal is always injured so that leaves rondo crash and crawford.  rondo cant shoot as we know so i would start rondo crawford butler wallace JO and have blatche off the bench to be the guy for the bench unit.