2011 CB draft: How does my team look?/division rankings

[Edgar]

new thunder

pg.
sg. kobe
sf. melo
pf. hickson
c.  kaman

Two super high caliber scorers will be tough to beat when they get it on. But not when one of them isn't.

I think your old team of Nash, Kobe and Ariza is much better on account that Trevor can make shots without commanding the ball on offense. And with Nash being a threat to shoot outside and can make teammates open, Ariza will have open looks. I don't need to explain how Kobe can score.

But with two volume scorers who are shoots a career 20 shots a game (for both), will limit the offense to just basically, them. Unless these guys are shooting well over 40% then it's something to worry, but with them shooting a career 36% and both needs to execute on mostly Iso plays, one has to give. But they're taking most of the shots, so so much for getting a second option in scoring from someone else if one of them is ice cold.

On the other hand, if both are scorching hot. We may see 75 pts. halftime with two of them having a combined 53. That's the double edged sword. But I really believe that your team with Ariza and Nash compliments Kobe's game more than Melo is.

My opinion.

people since 2008 with somehow reason underrate offense

offense wins championships ask
dirk.

Nash is slowering down and that is ugly in a guard on this days

to be hones i understand this trade

I understand that you need offense. But if the whole offense basically revolves around two high volume shooters with both a career 36% shooting, it'll be tough. They can both probably score 30 each, but since they're both taking pretty uch all the shots, where will the rest of the scoring come from.

But again, like I said, if they're both ON FIRE, this team is unstoppable.

now imagine 5  15 ppg players on fire at the same time..

I rest my case

I doubt that Kaman and Hickson and the mystery PG for this team will average 15 ppg by shooting at maybe 4-5 shots a game. They need to basically not miss, and that's way beyond on fire. Since Kobe and Melo needs to (i meant will) shoot at least 40-45 shots combined a game to be effective.

Besides, if I would like a 15 ppg's a game player, I'd rather have Nash and Ariza. They can let Kobe do his work and not disrupt the flow of his game and still score 15 while doing what they're supposed to do.

i am talking about MY team
 

[KCattheStripe]

The Sacramento Kings(a.k.a. The Dinoboxerbots) are proud to announce their starting lineup for the 2011 CB NBA season:

PG: Chauncey Billups
SG: Wesley Matthews
SF: LeBron James
PF: Paul Millsap
C:  Tyson Chandler

Jerk.

Such hate.

I will take that as admiration for the excellent job that you think Rondo and I have done. We thank you sir and bask in the glory of your name calling.

Chauncey Billups is Old

Wes Matthews has only played in one playoff series in which he didn't play that well.

LeBron James is a choke artist.

Millsap is short and will sstruggle against bigger 4s in the playoffs.

Tyson Chandler is a contract year wonder.

C'mon IP, try harder.  I didn't even have to break of my Duane Johnson.

You're the Celtics..you're in the East. I'm in the West..and so are the Kings. If you haven't noticed, nick and rondo have barely talked about my team also.

If you take out the juicy stuff now, it gives them time to counter it. Plus, I like his team. I don't really like Chauncey Billups or LeBron James, but I like Matthews, Millsap, and Chandler well enough. The first two especially.

My bad IP, didn't realize you were being so Machievellian about the whole thing.

[Edgar]

The Sacramento Kings(a.k.a. The Dinoboxerbots) are proud to announce their starting lineup for the 2011 CB NBA season:

PG: Chauncey Billups
SG: Wesley Matthews
SF: LeBron James
PF: Paul Millsap
C:  Tyson Chandler

Jerk.

Such hate.

I will take that as admiration for the excellent job that you think Rondo and I have done. We thank you sir and bask in the glory of your name calling.

Chauncey Billups is Old

Wes Matthews has only played in one playoff series in which he didn't play that well.

LeBron James is a choke artist.

Millsap is short and will sstruggle against bigger 4s in the playoffs.

Tyson Chandler is a contract year wonder.

C'mon IP, try harder.  I didn't even have to break of my Duane Johnson.

You're the Celtics..you're in the East. I'm in the West..and so are the Kings. If you haven't noticed, nick and rondo have barely talked about my team also.

If you take out the juicy stuff now, it gives them time to counter it. Plus, I like his team. I don't really like Chauncey Billups or LeBron James, but I like Matthews, Millsap, and Chandler well enough. The first two especially.

My bad IP, didn't realize you were being so Machievellian about the whole thing.

whos not

tp for remember me the sound of music because the Machiachinno comment

[Yoki_IsTheName]

new thunder

pg.
sg. kobe
sf. melo
pf. hickson
c.  kaman

Two super high caliber scorers will be tough to beat when they get it on. But not when one of them isn't.

I think your old team of Nash, Kobe and Ariza is much better on account that Trevor can make shots without commanding the ball on offense. And with Nash being a threat to shoot outside and can make teammates open, Ariza will have open looks. I don't need to explain how Kobe can score.

But with two volume scorers who are shoots a career 20 shots a game (for both), will limit the offense to just basically, them. Unless these guys are shooting well over 40% then it's something to worry, but with them shooting a career 36% and both needs to execute on mostly Iso plays, one has to give. But they're taking most of the shots, so so much for getting a second option in scoring from someone else if one of them is ice cold.

On the other hand, if both are scorching hot. We may see 75 pts. halftime with two of them having a combined 53. That's the double edged sword. But I really believe that your team with Ariza and Nash compliments Kobe's game more than Melo is.

My opinion.

people since 2008 with somehow reason underrate offense

offense wins championships ask
dirk.

Nash is slowering down and that is ugly in a guard on this days

to be hones i understand this trade

I understand that you need offense. But if the whole offense basically revolves around two high volume shooters with both a career 36% shooting, it'll be tough. They can both probably score 30 each, but since they're both taking pretty uch all the shots, where will the rest of the scoring come from.

But again, like I said, if they're both ON FIRE, this team is unstoppable.

now imagine 5  15 ppg players on fire at the same time..

I rest my case

I doubt that Kaman and Hickson and the mystery PG for this team will average 15 ppg by shooting at maybe 4-5 shots a game. They need to basically not miss, and that's way beyond on fire. Since Kobe and Melo needs to (i meant will) shoot at least 40-45 shots combined a game to be effective.

Besides, if I would like a 15 ppg's a game player, I'd rather have Nash and Ariza. They can let Kobe do his work and not disrupt the flow of his game and still score 15 while doing what they're supposed to do.

i am talking about MY team
 

Ow the team Panda. Oh that's right. How's Elton Brand's knees by the way. jk. he he he

[Edgar]

new thunder

pg.
sg. kobe
sf. melo
pf. hickson
c.  kaman

Two super high caliber scorers will be tough to beat when they get it on. But not when one of them isn't.

I think your old team of Nash, Kobe and Ariza is much better on account that Trevor can make shots without commanding the ball on offense. And with Nash being a threat to shoot outside and can make teammates open, Ariza will have open looks. I don't need to explain how Kobe can score.

But with two volume scorers who are shoots a career 20 shots a game (for both), will limit the offense to just basically, them. Unless these guys are shooting well over 40% then it's something to worry, but with them shooting a career 36% and both needs to execute on mostly Iso plays, one has to give. But they're taking most of the shots, so so much for getting a second option in scoring from someone else if one of them is ice cold.

On the other hand, if both are scorching hot. We may see 75 pts. halftime with two of them having a combined 53. That's the double edged sword. But I really believe that your team with Ariza and Nash compliments Kobe's game more than Melo is.

My opinion.

people since 2008 with somehow reason underrate offense

offense wins championships ask
dirk.

Nash is slowering down and that is ugly in a guard on this days

to be hones i understand this trade

I understand that you need offense. But if the whole offense basically revolves around two high volume shooters with both a career 36% shooting, it'll be tough. They can both probably score 30 each, but since they're both taking pretty uch all the shots, where will the rest of the scoring come from.

But again, like I said, if they're both ON FIRE, this team is unstoppable.

now imagine 5  15 ppg players on fire at the same time..

I rest my case

I doubt that Kaman and Hickson and the mystery PG for this team will average 15 ppg by shooting at maybe 4-5 shots a game. They need to basically not miss, and that's way beyond on fire. Since Kobe and Melo needs to (i meant will) shoot at least 40-45 shots combined a game to be effective.

Besides, if I would like a 15 ppg's a game player, I'd rather have Nash and Ariza. They can let Kobe do his work and not disrupt the flow of his game and still score 15 while doing what they're supposed to do.

i am talking about MY team
 

Ow the team Panda. Oh that's right. How's Elton Brand's knees by the way. jk. he he he

good enough to carry his 15 pg brains..lol

[celticpride07]

new thunder

pg.
sg. kobe
sf. melo
pf. hickson
c.  kaman

Two super high caliber scorers will be tough to beat when they get it on. But not when one of them isn't.

I think your old team of Nash, Kobe and Ariza is much better on account that Trevor can make shots without commanding the ball on offense. And with Nash being a threat to shoot outside and can make teammates open, Ariza will have open looks. I don't need to explain how Kobe can score.

But with two volume scorers who are shoots a career 20 shots a game (for both), will limit the offense to just basically, them. Unless these guys are shooting well over 40% then it's something to worry, but with them shooting a career 36% and both needs to execute on mostly Iso plays, one has to give. But they're taking most of the shots, so so much for getting a second option in scoring from someone else if one of them is ice cold.

On the other hand, if both are scorching hot. We may see 75 pts. halftime with two of them having a combined 53. That's the double edged sword. But I really believe that your team with Ariza and Nash compliments Kobe's game more than Melo is.

My opinion.

people since 2008 with somehow reason underrate offense

offense wins championships ask
dirk.

Nash is slowering down and that is ugly in a guard on this days

to be hones i understand this trade

I understand that you need offense. But if the whole offense basically revolves around two high volume shooters with both a career 36% shooting, it'll be tough. They can both probably score 30 each, but since they're both taking pretty uch all the shots, where will the rest of the scoring come from.

But again, like I said, if they're both ON FIRE, this team is unstoppable.

when you have kobe and melo on one team i dont think you have to worry where the rest of the scoring will come from.

[action781]

new thunder

pg.
sg. kobe
sf. melo
pf. hickson
c.  kaman

Your supporting cast will play a huge role in defining your team.

And the two guys so far are bad fits.

Not a fan of Kaman as a fit?

Not at all.

I was warming up to Kaman with the idea of Nash serving him up easy shot attempts. But with Melo and Kobe together? Dominating the ball? I don't like that fit.

Kaman doesn't bring enough to the table in that situation.

whats wrong with kaman besides being injury prone? 7 foot all star centers don't grow on trees

Very little non-scoring contributions (hasn't played defense in years, mediocre rebounding, poor passer) + he is very inefficient as a scorer when he is creating his own shot attempts. Not a high level player.

Bad fit on a roster built around Kobe Bryant and Carmelo Anthony.

Pretty good break down of Kaman here.  I think Kaman does one thing really well and that's score the basketball efficiently off the pass.  As far as being an inefficent of a scorer when creating his own shot attempts...  I mean, he is a center.  How many centers today are really that good at that?  I'd say he might be even above average at his position for that.

I think your defensive evaluation is a bit of an exaggeration; he's at least got good strength down there.  And I think he's actually a pretty decent rebounder.  Not great, but better than "mediocre" which I think brings a negative/pessimistic connotation with it.

[action781]

I really appreciate this comment, because I can see a lot of thought went into it. But, I think there are some points that need to be mentioned.

I think Lowry is one of the most underrated players in the entire NBA; the guy is fierce, he can defend, he can score, he can pass.  I've loved him since his 'Nova days.  But I agree that a pick and roll guy would be better with Amare.  There are lots of teams that could use an offensive creator that should have interest in Lowry.

Lowry doesn't have a great rep as a P&R guy, but I think part of that is also his caliber of teammates.

I love Luis Scola, but he's not the best pick and roll guy. Lowry was first and foremost known as a penetrator on offense, and to that end I don't think he should have any problem utilizing picks from Amar'e, Bogut, and Williams (when Williams is at the 4 especially).

But when he passes off, he's not going to have Scola to pass the ball to. While Scola isn't a bad jumpshooter, Amar'e and Williams are much more of a matchup problem off the P&R. Both Williams and Amar'e, aside from being excellent jumpshooters, are also quicker and more skilled than Scola with the ball, and should be able to put the ball on the floor to create a better shot. Scola's best asset off the P&R is that he could shoot over any mismatches or hit an open jumper. Both Amar'e and WIlliams are much more dynamic threats that should be able to take advantage of Lowry's passes to create more efficient shots.

In the pick and roll game, you're only as dangerous as your partners, and Lowry just got a lot more dangerous.

Very nice defense of Lowry here.  Hard to be completely sold on it because I've just never seen it happen.  But a very good written defense.  And I still love him as a player.

[action781]

See you saw this as a weakness, but I see it as a strength. One thing I go for (and its honestly inspired by our own Celtics) is versatility in my 3,4,5 positions. Amar'e last year was named 2nd team All-NBA...as a center. My first (starting) lineup is big, and gets its identity from solid halfcourt sets, efficient scoring, and one of the best defensive anchors in the NBA.

My second team is fast, loose, and athletic, and gets its identity from its offensive matchups at the 4 (Williams) and the 5 (Amar'e), where my guys will be able to get up and down the court faster and stretch the defense with their shooting, opening it up for my penetrating pg and my yet unnamed but sure to be awesome perimeter players.

I don't think you have to be one or the other, I think you can be either and both, depending on which lineup is most advantageous.

I love this and was hoping that would be the direction you would go with this team.  I think you absolutely need to bring Williams off the bench to do this though.  Think logistics if Williams is starting... to go small, you need Bogut to sub out of the game.  So, when does he first sub out?  Say, with 4 min left in the 1st quarter.  OK, now you can go small... for 4 minutes?  Wait, are Amare and Williams playing the entire 1st quarter without taking a breather then?  That's going to be some tired guys playing in your "dynamic" lineup.  Then are they both sitting on the bench together to start the second quarter?  I just don't like where this is going.

Bring him off the bench.  Draft a defensive SF.  Now you are big to start the game and don't have to worry about Williams getting torched by the Lebrons, Melos, and Rudy Gays of the NBA.  Regardless if you think he will or not, the rest of us posters think so.

Then, bring Williams into the game when either big gets in foul trouble, or ideally, with 4-6 min left in the first for Bogut.  Then, you go with that dynamic lineup of yours and you have a fresh Williams in the game.  Then, with 2 min left in the quarter, bring Bogut back in for Amare and play 4 outside shooters (Williams at the 4) around a very good low post option who can pass very well.  Then, bring Amare back in for Williams and repeat the cycle.

Bring Williams off the bench.

[Kwhit10]

new thunder

pg.
sg. kobe
sf. melo
pf. hickson
c.  kaman

Your wings definitely have the talent. But both love to have the ball in their hands to do their work.  I'll be interested to hear your offensive game plan to balance Kobe and Melo's talents without shutting out the rest of the team.

Your PG doesn't need to be a pure passer due to the superstars you have.  So try to look for one with skills that will compliment the type of game plan you'll use with Kobe/Melo.

[indeedproceed]

See you saw this as a weakness, but I see it as a strength. One thing I go for (and its honestly inspired by our own Celtics) is versatility in my 3,4,5 positions. Amar'e last year was named 2nd team All-NBA...as a center. My first (starting) lineup is big, and gets its identity from solid halfcourt sets, efficient scoring, and one of the best defensive anchors in the NBA.

My second team is fast, loose, and athletic, and gets its identity from its offensive matchups at the 4 (Williams) and the 5 (Amar'e), where my guys will be able to get up and down the court faster and stretch the defense with their shooting, opening it up for my penetrating pg and my yet unnamed but sure to be awesome perimeter players.

I don't think you have to be one or the other, I think you can be either and both, depending on which lineup is most advantageous.

I love this and was hoping that would be the direction you would go with this team.  I think you absolutely need to bring Williams off the bench to do this though.  Think logistics if Williams is starting... to go small, you need Bogut to sub out of the game.  So, when does he first sub out?  Say, with 4 min left in the 1st quarter.  OK, now you can go small... for 4 minutes?  Wait, are Amare and Williams playing the entire 1st quarter without taking a breather then?  That's going to be some tired guys playing in your "dynamic" lineup.  Then are they both sitting on the bench together to start the second quarter?  I just don't like where this is going.

I think you're jumping the gun a little bit here and making it a little too black and white. I've always seen a good substitution plan as a fluid thing, and less like a blueprint, and once I have my rotation filled out I'll be able to really show you how it'll work. I have a pretty good gameplan in my head of how I want this to play out, but I don't want to get too into it until at least the end of the 7th (afterwhile I will have shored up my 7-man rotation). Until then, I don't want to let any names or concept drop.

Now you are big to start the game and don't have to worry about Williams getting torched by the Lebrons, Melos, and Rudy Gays of the NBA.

I think at once worries about DW's (henceforth in my mind to be referred to as 'Darkwing Duck') defense are both justified but a little bit hyperbolic. He doesn't have the 'freakish' athleticism that LeBron has, but he's generally assumed to have enough to make due against most of the NBA's small forwards.

Also, he'll have a pretty significant strength advantage over just about anyone including LeBron at the 3.

So my question is..how are the Rudy Gays and Melos going to stop Darkwing from torching them? He's 6'9+ in shoes, he tested out as the strongest player drafted in the first round. He was the most efficient scorer in the draft, and the most versatile. He doesn't have any attitude problems, and has responded remarkably well when challenged by coaches. He's shown a remarkable ability to adjust his game, and he completely changed his body between his freshman and sophomore years at AZ, and he still has 10% bodyfat left, so he's still got a lot of room to improve when exposed to the NBA's rigorous training regimen.

You're saying I should fear that the league's starting SF's are going to expose him, but I'm saying they ought to be just as scared of being exposed.

[indeedproceed]

borrrrinnnnggggg.

[nickagneta]

borrrrinnnnggggg.

Didn't the commish make a statement not to expect to much from him on the weekends because, after all, he has a life?


I guess many other participants have a life as well....hence the lack of participation.

Or they are just all frightened to death of the best starting five in this draft....The Sacramento Kings

[indeedproceed]

borrrrinnnnggggg.

Didn't the commish make a statement not to expect to much from him on the weekends because, after all, he has a life?


I guess many other participants have a life as well....hence the lack of participation.

Or they are just all frightened to death of the best starting five in this draft....The Sacramento Kings

I think I beat you at 3 of my 4 starting positions. But, that all hinges on how you see Lowry, and I doubt my starting 2 guard will be on par with Matthews who I love.

You see this article?:

When Wesley Matthews collapsed to the floor during a fluke post-practice accident in January, he hobbled into the trainer's room in noticeable pain but was seemingly fine. He started at shooting guard the next night, scoring 26 points in a victory over the Phoenix Suns, and went on to play all 82 regular season games.

Turns out, however, that Matthews had suffered a torn tendon in his right ankle during that freak post-practice tumble. He played 48 games, including the playoffs, with the ailment but labored behind the scenes.

"People don't really know this, but over the last two months of the season I couldn't feel my right foot," Matthews said Monday. "It was completely numb."

That's a warrior right there.

[StartOrien]

PG: Kyle Lowry
SG:?
SF: Derrick Williams
PF: Amar'e Stoudemire
C: Andrew Bogut

Would have preffered to see Wilson chandler in the 3 sot.

Yeah and I bet when you order a blizzard you only ask for oreos too.

IN all seriousness, I went for the bigger talent. I don't have LeBron or Dwight, so I'd rather swing for the fences than settle for a single.

"Uh, ya" - Adam Sandler in Schmits Beer Commercial Voice

I do really think you over thought it here, Wilson Chandler was tailor made for your squad. Good defensive player, decent 3 point player, gets out in transition, and is a pretty decent slasher (the last two both really compliment Bogut)