2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board

[indeedproceed]

One of these years we should throw in the wrinkle that the commish picks like 10 numbers out of a hat (1 through 312) and those 10 players have a season ending injury.

This would reward teams for having depth at each position and would mimic real life even more!

I really like this idea. I'd broadcast the drawing over skype.

However, an 'I told you so' in Feb and $1.07 will get you a cheeseburger at McDonalds and that's about it.

But you know what? You and me, we'd rather be right.

Its a truth.

[Edgar]

OK this is when i make the Draft FUN for me

ALL PANDAS ARE ON THE BLOCK

And most likely will be dealt

Interested in receiving two players for one
OR reverse

I am all in for that

Start the work of a GM and Make this a GREAT OFFSEASON

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[Fafnir]

I'm not a fan of the season ending injury idea.

1. Not all players are equally likely to be injured, thus an even drawing won't be all that realistic.

2. GMs already consider injury history when they vote, no need to further simulate things

3. It would make the game a whole lot less fun for potentially 10 out of 24 GMs. I mean if Kobe, Pau Gasol, Wade, and LeBron were all to blow out their ACLs via this lottery that'd be terrible wouldn't it. 

4. Seriously any first our second round pick knocked out would just eliminate a win now team from contention. That'd suck and be unfun. GMs wouldn't be rewarded as much for depth, but instead they'd be punished by randomness.

[Gainesville Celtic]

One of these years we should throw in the wrinkle that the commish picks like 10 numbers out of a hat (1 through 312) and those 10 players have a season ending injury.

This would reward teams for having depth at each position and would mimic real life even more!

I really like this idea. I'd broadcast the drawing over skype.

Just for fun I generated 10 numbers from random.org and got the following players out for the season:

Dwight Howard
Monta Ellis
Caron Butler
Taj Gibson
Ed Davis
Ersan Ilyasova
Travis Outlaw
Antonio McDyess
2 players not yet taken.


To change things up, I first sorted by first name, then assigned a number 1-312 and ran it again:

Stephen Jackson
Shawn Marion
Marshon Brooks
Marcus Camby
Kris Humphries
Jrue Holiday
Deron Williams
DeMarcus Cousins
Chuck Hayes
Amare Stoudemire

I'm not a fan of the season ending injury idea.

1. Not all players are equally likely to be injured, thus an even drawing won't be all that realistic.

2. GMs already consider injury history when they vote, no need to further simulate things

3. It would make the game a whole lot less fun for potentially 10 out of 24 GMs. I mean if Kobe, Pau Gasol, Wade, and LeBron were all to blow out their ACLs via this lottery that'd be terrible wouldn't it.  

4. Seriously any first our second round pick knocked out would just eliminate a win now team from contention. That'd suck and be unfun. GMs wouldn't be rewarded as much for depth, but instead they'd be punished by randomness.

The reason I think it's a good idea is that it makes the Celticsblog draft that much more realistic.

Folks may factor in injury history they don't factor injury possibility, and therefore routinely & grossly underestimate the importance of team depth.

(BTW I think Ainge has been guilty of this over the past few years too.)

You're right that all players aren't as likely to get injured -- there are some that are injury prone and some not -- but guys get freak injuries all the time. Heck just look at the Celtics recent past:

• KG's knee injury that kept us from our 18th banner was a freak thing. NO ONE was factoring in that he could get hurt that summer during CBLog draft.
• Perkins' knee injury in Game 6 of the 2010 Finals likely keeps us from winning Banner 18.
• Rondo's injury this year drastically affected the MIA/BOS series.

And yes an injury to a 1st or 2nd round pick would hurt a "win-now" team but so would said injury to a real NBA team -- see again KG's 2008-09 injury or Chris Paul's knee injury (or even Udonis Haslem's injury for the Heat this year). Each of those 3 injury's were "freak" in that none of KG, CP3 or Haslem has had a significant "injury history" that other GMs would factor in during voting.


I also think while it might bite for a team with a high pick, the important flipside is that it levels things for teams with late picks and gives more folks a legit shot at winning/playoffs. (as someone who's had 1st picks in the 20s the last 2 years it makes it much much harder and feels sort of like whoever gets the top 3-8 picks are the only ones with a shot...)

[Lucky17]

I fully endorse GC's idea.

[regardless of whether I had any of the players he just listed in his mock drawing]

[indeedproceed]

Round 11:
R#   T#   Time   Team      Manager   
1   (241)   2:05 PM   Nuggets      KWhit10    Marreese Speights
2   (242)   2:10 PM   Spurs      RebusRankin    Dante Cunningham
3   (243)   2:15 PM   Celtics      KCatTheStripe    Jan Veesly
4   (244)   2:20 PM   Knicks      Gainesville Celtic    Jonas Valanciunas
5   (245)   2:25 PM   Lakers      jgod213   Gilbert Arenas
6   (246)   2:30 PM   Heat      Bahku   Travis Outlaw
7   (247)   2:35 PM   Suns      Who   Markieff Morris
8   (248)   2:40 PM   Bulls   Hawks Reggie Williams
9   (249)   2:45 PM   Bullets      wdleehi   Antonio McDyess
10   (250)   2:50 PM   Jazz Kane3387 Raja Bell
11   (251)   2:55 PM   Pistons      Knicks   Austin Daye
12   (252)   3:00 PM   Hawks Jazz      ThunderDerek Fisher
13   (253)   3:05 PM   Cavaliers Pistons Knicks Mario "Superintendent" Chalmers
14   (254)   3:10 PM   Pacers      Start Orien   Jeff Teague
15   (255)   3:15 PM   Blazers      Lakers   Vladomir Radmonovic
16   (256)   3:20 PM   Bucks      Heat   Tristan Thompson
17   (257)   3:25 PM   Magic      TheTruthFot18   Matt Barnes
18   (258)   3:30 PM   Thunder Heat    Blazers    Marshon Brooks
19   (259)   3:35 PM   Grizzlies      Donoghus    Kenneth Faried
20   (260)   3:40 PM   Warriors   Cavaliers Jordan Crawford
21   (261)   3:45 PM   76ers      Mgent   PICK ANYTIME
22   (262)   3:50 PM   Mavericks      Gaberkowitz   PICK ANYTIME
23   (263)   3:55 PM   Kings      Rondo/Nick   Chris Singleton
24   (264)   4:00 PM   Nets      riah32    PICK ANYTIME

If Riah, Gaberkowitz, and Mgent haven't picked by the time I eat dinner, I'm going to pick for them.

[Fafnir]

Eh no amount of team depth can overcome losing an MVP level player, even an all-star level player is likely a death blow to a contender.

Talk it up all you want, all that happens is you are likely randomly eliminated 2 or more GMs before the playoffs even start. How is that fun?

If Rondo, Dons, IP, etc... all put in the tons of time it takes to play this game I don't think there is anything good about taking two or more out of the game entirely based on a random dice roll.

It does happen in real life, but you know what it sucks, so why should we model it?

[Gainesville Celtic]

Eh no amount of team depth can overcome losing an MVP level player, even an all-star level player is likely a death blow to a contender.

Talk it up all you want, all that happens is you're randomly eliminated 2 or more GMs before the playoffs even start. How is that fun?

If Rondo, Dons, IP, Gainesville Celtic, etc... all put in the tons of time it takes to play this game I don't think there is anything good about taking two or more out of the game entirely based on a random dice roll.

It does happen in real life, but you know what it sucks, so why should we model it?

But like I said Faf, i -- and I'm sure others -- had the same feeling the last 2 years b/c i got picks #20 and #21. It didn't stop me from lovin' the game (or bustin' my hump to make my team better).

As it is the draft is who can build the best team behind one of the top 5 guys.

I'm not suggesting it happen this year -- i feel strongly people should know the rules going in -- but I think it'd be wicked fun for next time.

(P.S. trade winds are circulating around one of the guys in the list I generated....)

[indeedproceed]

I know some people have trades out there. I'll announce them once I get home.

[Fafnir]

Eh no amount of team depth can overcome losing an MVP level player, even an all-star level player is likely a death blow to a contender.

Talk it up all you want, all that happens is you're randomly eliminated 2 or more GMs before the playoffs even start. How is that fun?

If Rondo, Dons, IP, Gainesville Celticetc... all put in the tons of time it takes to play this game I don't think there is anything good about taking two or more out of the game entirely based on a random dice roll.

It does happen in real life, but you know what it sucks, so why should we model it?

But like I said Faf, i -- and I'm sure others -- had the same feeling the last 2 years b/c i got picks #20 and #21.

As it is the draft is who can build the best team behind one of the top 5 guys.

So your answer is adding another element of randomness taking even more GMs out of the game? (if one assumes that you need a top pick to win) "I've gotten lower picks so I want randomness to hurt other people too?"

Not only that but its an extremely poor model for injuries anyways. Players each have different risk levels and most injuries are actually shorter term, they have little impact in the playoffs other than standings unless they happen late in the year.

It doesn't add realism, it just takes a machinegun to teams randomly, that's not fun.

Plus it wouldn't necessarily work the way you hope. It could take out all the MVP talent level teams but one for example, making the playoffs even easier for that team. Or it could just take out the top 3 of one win now team, which would suck for that person and could cause them to abandon their team. Or it could just take out 10 depth players and have no effect...

[Edgar]

Rumors are Deron is Out of El Salvador..............



But once a Panda always a Panda
We do it for your own good Deron
I am sure you will get more touches in your new home
and we will have you always in our heart

[Lucky17]

Wow. I've heard rumors of another superstar PG traded as well.

Edgar, I thought Deron was the best part of your team. Curious to see this announcement.

[Edgar]

Wow. I've heard rumors of another superstar PG traded as well.

Edgar, I thought Deron was the best part of your team. Curious to see this announcement.

Deron is "most likely" the best player in the Pandas, but not necesarily the best piece in Pandas puzzle, i am sure he will be an AMAZING adition to any team lucky enough to get him.

Rumors said Its only one small step in the big climbing scenario of the game. Probably  just a small step. To show no one is untochable


NO ONE!! 

[riah32]

Well the Nets added another big man into the mix and select the Vet Drew Gooden.

[ChampKind]

Well the Nets added another big man into the mix and select the Vet Drew Gooden.

Nice. Good late value.