2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board

[Lucky17]

1st Trade:

Kings send Devin Harris, 7.8, 9.23, and 12.2
Heat send Chauncey Billups  and 6.6



Wanted: NickAgneta for larceny in the first degree.

Hat tip to the Kings, especially getting the 6.6 as well.

I had hoped to get something cooking with the Heat for Billups, but I ended going in a different direction.

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1st Trade:

Kings send Devin Harris, 7.8, 9.23, and 12.2
Heat send Chauncey Billups  and 6.6



Wanted: NickAgneta for larceny in the first degree.

Hat tip to the Kings, especially getting the 6.6 as well.

Yeah, if the draft picks were reversed, I think the trade would be equal, and equally beneficial to both teams.

Kevin Love is a way bigger talent than Harris ever had in New Jersey to pair next to him and Lopez, and who knows..maybe that's the difference between a last place team and a 7th or 8th seed. Billups is almost the ideal PG for a LeBron-led squad.

[mgent]

1st Trade:

Kings send Devin Harris, 7.8, 9.23, and 12.2
Heat send Chauncey Billups  and 6.6



Wanted: NickAgneta for larceny in the first degree.

These types of trades kinda take the fun out of the game for the rest of us.  1 or 2 of them isn't a big deal but this is getting ridiculous.

[indeedproceed]

1st Trade:

Kings send Devin Harris, 7.8, 9.23, and 12.2
Heat send Chauncey Billups  and 6.6



Wanted: NickAgneta for larceny in the first degree.

These types of trades kinda take the fun out of the game for the rest of us.  1 or 2 of them isn't a big deal but this is getting ridiculous.

Ah, this one isn't as bad as some others we've seen. Billups is in definite decline with one foot out the door..probably not too far away from where Sam Cassell was a few of years ago.

A little better probably overall, but I don't think he's going to wow too many people in the coming year.

I like the trade for SAC as much for the intangibles Billups brings (leadership, experience, professionalism) as much as his skillset. 

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Billups is in definite decline with one foot out the door..probably not too far away from where Sam Cassell was a few of years ago.

Sam Cassell's last year as a starting PG:

17pts, 6asts, 44% shooting, 37% from deep.

THat's in 35 minutes too, I don't see Billups ever playing 35 MPG again either. I'd expect around 15, 6, and 39% from deep for Billups, and I expect Nick would be just fine with that.

[Who]

1st Trade:

Kings send Devin Harris, 7.8, 9.23, and 12.2
Heat send Chauncey Billups  and 6.6



Wanted: NickAgneta for larceny in the first degree.

Hat tip to the Kings, especially getting the 6.6 as well.

I had hoped to get something cooking with the Heat for Billups, but I ended going in a different direction.

Yeah, I think the draft pick (6.6) is the real steal.

The upgrade from Billups to D.Harris is nice but there are still some very strong role players on the board. Guys who can be difference makers. 6th man of the year candidate type quality.

[nickagneta]

We look at the trade this way. If the trade is 2 trades both trades are fairly even.

Billups for Harris and a 9th rounder. Talent exchange is about even but Billups brings intangibles and the 9th rounder gets Miami to add a great young talent to add to Team of the Future front runner because so many are going for Win Now teams.


6.19 for 7.7 and 12.2. I have seen worse trades of draft picks than this trade down in the middle of the draft.

Both teams achieved what they wanted.

We got what we believed was a perfect PG for the ball dominant LeBron. We got 4th quarter clutchness and leadership which as everyone seems to remind us a certain player lacks. we also got to have a quality 6th man because we gave up 2 picks and our depth after our 6th man won't be nearly as good now.

Miami has decided to make a concerted run for Team of the Future and Billups was a bad fit for that type of team. They also wanted more picks as they see that young inexperienced talent that can be developed for the future is dropping like a rock in this draft due to so many looking to win now and going with established talent.

I think both teams achieved their objectives.

[mgent]

1st Trade:

Kings send Devin Harris, 7.8, 9.23, and 12.2
Heat send Chauncey Billups  and 6.6



Wanted: NickAgneta for larceny in the first degree.

These types of trades kinda take the fun out of the game for the rest of us.  1 or 2 of them isn't a big deal but this is getting ridiculous.

Ah, this one isn't as bad as some others we've seen. Billups is in definite decline with one foot out the door..probably not too far away from where Sam Cassell was a few of years ago.

A little better probably overall, but I don't think he's going to wow too many people in the coming year.

I like the trade for SAC as much for the intangibles Billups brings (leadership, experience, professionalism) as much as his skillset. 

He might be on the decline but that also means he has way more experience and he also has a much bigger history of winning.  And it's not even like Chauncey has seen a huge drop in his numbers, the year before last he posted his career high in scoring.



5.23, 7.8, 9.23, and 12.2

for

3.6 and 6.6



Chauncey puts up the same numbers as Harris does on some of the worst teams in the league, while playing much better defense and shooting WAY better from long range.  That + his championship experience and leadership puts him on a whole other level than Harris.

[nickagneta]

Also, we just sent in a revised trade because we messed up the 6th rounder it's pick 6.19 not 6.6

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Updated trade:

Heat send Billups 6.19 for
Kings send Harris 7.7, 9.23, 12.2

[Who]

Also, we just sent in a revised trade because we messed up the 6th rounder it's pick 6.19 not 6.6

Oh, then the pick is a non-issue for the most part.

There is a huge difference from the quality available at 7.8 to 6.6 but not nearly as large an expected difference from 7.8 to 6.19.

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He might be on the decline but that also means he has way more experience and he also has a much bigger history of winning.  And it's not even like Chauncey has seen a huge drop in his numbers, the year before last he posted his career high in scoring.

Yeah, I'm not debating that Billups is or isn't serviceable. He clearly is. The difference is that Billups is likely a year, (maybe two) away from retirement while Harris is in his prime and will likely get better as long as he has the minutes.   

5.23, 7.8, 9.23, and 12.2

for

3.6 and 6.6

I like to look at this stuff for perspective, but lets not forget that 1) Billups likely went about 20 picks too early and Harris probably went about 20 picks too late. He should've been an early 5th rounder or late 4th, and Billups should've been a late 3rd, early 4th. I think there is a clear disparity between the players favoring Billups, but only if it is on a win now team.

Chauncey puts up the same numbers as Harris does on some of the worst teams in the league, while playing much better defense and shooting WAY better from long range.  That + his championship experience and leadership puts him on a whole other level than Harris.

See, Devin Harris before he got to New Jersey was known primarily as a defensive PG. He just didn't bring it as hard because he played on a crappy team that needed him to do all the scoring.

That happens with a lot of guys (see Pierce, Ray Allen). I think on the Kings, Harris's defense would've been at or above Chauncey's level in pure ability, and we should see a marked improvement in him in Utah next season.

Sometimes 'being the man' is too much of a burden on a guy, and it clearly was for Harris. After he killed himself trying to fill that role for NJ in 08-09, I think he got a little burned out and jaded.

[Who]

A good upgrade for Sacramento. A significant difference between Harris and Billups but it's not huge.

I don't really understand the trade from Miami's point of view. Harris is already 28 years old and turns 29 midway through next season. He is not a player for the future.

Plus, he has already shown himself to be incapable of leading a young up and coming team over the past 2-3 years in NJ.

It looks like he has already hit his ceiling as a player and has declined for two straight years on the bounce since his career year. Additionally, his game doesn't look like it'll age well due to his reliance on his athleticism.

I don't know. Maybe they wanted more dribble penetration for their shooters to feed off of instead of a pure floor general like Billups. A playmaker instead of a floor general.

[Who]

That happens with a lot of guys (see Pierce, Ray Allen). I think on the Kings, Harris's defense would've been at or above Chauncey's level in pure ability, and we should see a marked improvement in him in Utah next season.

Not expecting to see an improvement in Harris' defensive contributions in Utah.

I am expecting that team to be in the bottom ten in defensive efficiency and eFG% next season. A complete lack of interior defenders + their best team defender, Kirilenko, is likely to leave. Inexperienced wings like ___ (rook) and ___ (soph) are are going to see a good amount of minutes too.

However, I do think Harris would achieve a major improvement defensively by playing alongside guys like Tyson Chandler and LeBron James. And to a lesser extent Millsap and Matthews. I think that lineup would have brought the best out of him on that end of the floor.

And I agree that that D.Harris would be comparable to or superior than C.Billups.

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waiting on the second confirmation of a blockbuster trade that I really like for both teams...so I wanna talk about it!!