2011 CelticsBlog Draft Board

[KCattheStripe]

KWhit, check your pm box.

so is there a time cap for this last pick or is it free to be "sat on" until tomorrow morning's festivities?

FWIW, I'm almost positive that Kwhit let it be known in the previous thread that he'd be late with his pick (since it's the last of the round)... IP gave his blessing if i'm not mistaken.

If you spent anytime in the chatroom GC, you'd know I realized this.

[indeedproceed]

I guess I've been watching a different guy, cuz I just don't see how he's NOT "offensively dominant" ... 20.2 PPG, 15.2 RBPG, 2.5 APG, shoots a .470 FG rate, .417 for threes, (which in itself is a huge weapon in a "big"), FTs at .850, etc..

Well, in terms of scoring, of the top-10 PF's in the NBA (excluding ____ ____ who should be a SF), Love has the worst FG%. In fact, he has the lowest FG% of the 15 highest scoring PF's.

His 3pt shot is a huge weapon, but he lacks a low-post game, and is not particularly good at creating his own shot. That's why he's not even the primary scoring option on his own team.

This guy had some extremely big games this year, where he was easily the dominating force on the court.

Yes, he really has. Some really eye-opening statistical games..but a lot of those games were losses, as were the majority of the games he played in during the season.

I can fathom how a player can play 36 minutes per game and still finish on a team without 50 wins, yet still be considered a wholly 'dominant' player. I can understand how a play like that could even miss the playoffs in a tough conference.

But just 17 wins, bad defense, and the second option on offense? I don't think that qualifies as dominance. If anything, I think it allows the argument to be made that his stats are if anything, inflated, and a somewhat unsubstantial indicator of total performance.

[Bahku]

Until he has more talent around him and maintains those numbers while winning, he is a solid pick.

Offensively, to me, he hasn't shown a skill-set that would make me think he'd ever become 'dominant'

Wow ... I just don't understand this, were people watching a different guy than I was? Because a guy's on a bad team means he's a bad player, or not going to be successful? Don't get it. Just a few tidbits from this year that some might have missed:



> Love is the only player to ever average 20+ppg, 15+rpg and shoot over 85% from FT line.
  
> Love is the first player in NBA history to average 12+ rebounds per game and shoot 40% from three. Likewise, he's the only player to average 20+ppg, 15+rpg and shoot over 40% from three.


> At 4.5 offensive rebounds per game this season, Love is also the first player in history to average 3+ offensive boards per game while shooting 40% from behind from three.


> Love finished 2nd to Dwight Howard in total double-doubles with 64 (Howard had 66, Love did miss a few games to finish the season) after tallying 65 total over his first two seasons combined.


> Love had 51 double-doubles before the All-Star break this season - the most in NBA history. Only one other player has posted 50 double-doubles prior to the All-Star break (George Mikan, 50 in 1950).


> Love added 17 rebounds and five three-pointers to his career-high 43 points at Denver, marking the first time in NBA history that a player had 40/15 with at least five threes in a regulation-length game.


> Love posted three consecutive 20/20 games from Mar. 4-7, becoming the first player with three straight 20/20 games since Kevin Willis (Nov. 20-23, 1991).


> Love had four games this season with 30+ points and 20+ rebounds. There were only three such games in the NBA in 2010, and only two others in 2011 (Pau Gasol, Dwight Howard).


> Love had two 30/20 games during November this season. Only four players in the last 25 years have posted multiple 30/20 games in the same month - Charles Barkley, Hakeem Olajuwon and Shaquille O'Neal are the others.


> Love is the only player in the league this season to rank among the league's 10 biggest jumps in points per game and rebounds per game compared to last season. Love also ranks among the league's most improved three-point shooters.




I guess I'll just chalk the above up to "luck and a lousy team", and consider myself as having the least popular pick of the first round. People see what they want to see, I guess ... no less for me, I'm sure. So be it. Til tomorrow ... great round to the rest.

[Gainesville Celtic]

KWhit, check your pm box.

so is there a time cap for this last pick or is it free to be "sat on" until tomorrow morning's festivities?

FWIW, I'm almost positive that Kwhit let it be known in the previous thread that he'd be late with his pick (since it's the last of the round)... IP gave his blessing if i'm not mistaken.

If you spent anytime in the chatroom GC, you'd know I realized this.

well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuussssssse me! 

no can do on the chat this year y'all.... sigh.

[StartOrien]

I guess I'll just chalk the above up to "luck and a lousy team", and consider myself as having the least popular pick of the first round. So be it. Til tomorrow, I guess.

Definitely don't think it was the worst pick of the round.

[indeedproceed]

Because a guy's on a bad team means he's a bad player, or not going to be successful? Don't get it.

But nobody is saying either of those things. What we're saying is that while Kevin Love is a good pick, and a fine player, and a great building block, at this point he's not a dominant offensive force, and is really bad defensively. These are not contradictions. Just like its not a contradiction to say LeBron James is the best player in the NBA, but lacks a killer instinct, especially in the fourth quarter. Or like saying Amar'e Stoudemire is the most offensively dominant PF in basketball, but his rounding numbers historically show a lack of dedication to that area of the game.

[StartOrien]

Because a guy's on a bad team means he's a bad player, or not going to be successful? Don't get it.

But nobody is saying either of those things. What we're saying is that while Kevin Love is a good pick, and a fine player, and a great building block, at this point he's not a dominant offensive force, and is really bad defensively. These are not contradictions. Just like its not a contradiction to say LeBron James is the best player in the NBA, but lacks a killer instinct, especially in the fourth quarter. Or like saying Amar'e Stoudemire is the most offensively dominant PF in basketball, but his rounding numbers historically show a lack of dedication to that area of the game.

Eh, I said it was a bad pick.

[Gainesville Celtic]

I guess I'll just chalk the above up to "luck and a lousy team", and consider myself as having the least popular pick of the first round. So be it. Til tomorrow, I guess.

Don't sweat it Bahku... everyone is so quick to pass judgement on picks good and bad. Its the one downside of CB Draft...

I tend to side with you and actually had Love at #19 on my board.

PRO -- Love is a tremendous rebounder, doesn't quit and seems to be a fun guy to play with

CON -- He's played on crappy teams so it's legitimate to ask if his stats are a little inflated.

If all the other GMs were honest they would have to say every other player has PROs/CONs... but most won't admit their players' shortcomigns.

The question --- as with all of our teams --- is who else will play with him? How good do they hypothetically mesh

[ChampKind]

Until he has more talent around him and maintains those numbers while winning, he is a solid pick.

Offensively, to me, he hasn't shown a skill-set that would make me think he'd ever become 'dominant'

I guess I'll just chalk the above up to "luck and a lousy team", and consider myself as having the least popular pick of the first round. People see what they want to see, I guess ... no less for me, I'm sure. So be it. Til tomorrow ... great round to the rest.

If you're happy with your team, that's the only thing that matters. Besides, if you put the right players around Love people will change their tune pretty quickly. I wouldn't worry too much about it

[indeedproceed]

Because a guy's on a bad team means he's a bad player, or not going to be successful? Don't get it.

But nobody is saying either of those things. What we're saying is that while Kevin Love is a good pick, and a fine player, and a great building block, at this point he's not a dominant offensive force, and is really bad defensively. These are not contradictions. Just like its not a contradiction to say LeBron James is the best player in the NBA, but lacks a killer instinct, especially in the fourth quarter. Or like saying Amar'e Stoudemire is the most offensively dominant PF in basketball, but his rounding numbers historically show a lack of dedication to that area of the game.

Eh, I said it was a bad pick.

Alright, so Start Orien hates everything about you and thinks you smell like farts. Amended.

That's a direct quote, right?

[KCattheStripe]

Because a guy's on a bad team means he's a bad player, or not going to be successful? Don't get it.

But nobody is saying either of those things. What we're saying is that while Kevin Love is a good pick, and a fine player, and a great building block, at this point he's not a dominant offensive force, and is really bad defensively. These are not contradictions. Just like its not a contradiction to say LeBron James is the best player in the NBA, but lacks a killer instinct, especially in the fourth quarter. Or like saying Amar'e Stoudemire is the most offensively dominant PF in basketball, but his rounding numbers historically show a lack of dedication to that area of the game.

Or that Tim Duncan is one of the greatest winners in the history of basketball... Wait, what?

[StartOrien]

Because a guy's on a bad team means he's a bad player, or not going to be successful? Don't get it.

But nobody is saying either of those things. What we're saying is that while Kevin Love is a good pick, and a fine player, and a great building block, at this point he's not a dominant offensive force, and is really bad defensively. These are not contradictions. Just like its not a contradiction to say LeBron James is the best player in the NBA, but lacks a killer instinct, especially in the fourth quarter. Or like saying Amar'e Stoudemire is the most offensively dominant PF in basketball, but his rounding numbers historically show a lack of dedication to that area of the game.

Eh, I said it was a bad pick.

Alright, so Start Orien hates everything about you and thinks you smell like farts. Amended.

That's a direct quote, right?

Ya, said it on page three of the thread I think.

[nickagneta]

So is jgod picking or if Kwhit comes by later does he have to wait for jgod?

[Bahku]

Because a guy's on a bad team means he's a bad player, or not going to be successful? Don't get it.

But nobody is saying either of those things. What we're saying is that while Kevin Love is a good pick, and a fine player, and a great building block, at this point he's not a dominant offensive force, and is really bad defensively. These are not contradictions. Just like its not a contradiction to say LeBron James is the best player in the NBA, but lacks a killer instinct, especially in the fourth quarter. Or like saying Amar'e Stoudemire is the most offensively dominant PF in basketball, but his rounding numbers historically show a lack of dedication to that area of the game.

Eh, I said it was a bad pick.

Alright, so Start Orien hates everything about you and thinks you smell like farts. Amended.

That's a direct quote, right?

Direct and to the point ... I can respect that. Reminds me of my accountant.

[indeedproceed]

So is jgod picking or if Kwhit comes by later does he have to wait for jgod?

Why is jgod picking?

I expect KWhit's pick by 7pm, on his word as Warden of the East.