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Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 10:06:08 AM »

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He is, however, 220 pounds and not known for his rebounding.

Where'd you get that from? All of the reports I've seen of him say he's a good rebounder.
NBADraft.net (I think) had a scouting report saying that he is "not the rebounder he should be with his size". I will probably agree - 8 rpg in college for someone this tall is good, but not extraordinary.
In similar minutes Glen Davis got more rebounds in college as a senior.

Though I'm not sure if pace is similar, or if Davis had other teammates to get defensive boards. (same for Johnson)

Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2011, 10:07:21 AM »

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This is ridiculous.

You've probably never even seen him play.  Our bench can absolutely use him

Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2011, 10:08:10 AM »

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This is ridiculous.

You've probably never even seen him play.  Our bench can absolutely use him
I have to agree, there is no reason we shouldn't sign him.

Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2011, 10:12:35 AM »

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He is, however, 220 pounds and not known for his rebounding.

Where'd you get that from? All of the reports I've seen of him say he's a good rebounder.
NBADraft.net (I think) had a scouting report saying that he is "not the rebounder he should be with his size". I will probably agree - 8 rpg in college for someone this tall is good, but not extraordinary.
In similar minutes Glen Davis got more rebounds in college as a senior.

Though I'm not sure if pace is similar, or if Davis had other teammates to get defensive boards. (same for Johnson)

College stats don't always translate, though.  For instance, BBD also outrebounded David Lee in college, and they played in the same conference.

JJ didn't dominate the boards in college, so it's hard to call him an above-average rebounder at this point, but he could go either way.  The athleticism and size is there to be a good rebounder.


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Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2011, 10:15:57 AM »

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Forget the max contract idea, this team needs bodies on its roster.  Our rotation can definitely be improved and Johnson should help address that.

Exactly.  Not only that he's a legit 6'10.  Ainge finally picked someone with some true size.  We should all be thankful we aren't stuck with another tweener.
He is, however, 220 pounds and not known for his rebounding. By the way, someone on Y!Sports called him the "ant-Glen Davis". I think he's good value. It's the 25th pick after all, what did you expect?!

I agree.  To me he's the 'unBaby'.

Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2011, 10:17:35 AM »

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He is, however, 220 pounds and not known for his rebounding.

Where'd you get that from? All of the reports I've seen of him say he's a good rebounder.
NBADraft.net (I think) had a scouting report saying that he is "not the rebounder he should be with his size". I will probably agree - 8 rpg in college for someone this tall is good, but not extraordinary.
In similar minutes Glen Davis got more rebounds in college as a senior.

Though I'm not sure if pace is similar, or if Davis had other teammates to get defensive boards. (same for Johnson)

College stats don't always translate, though.  For instance, BBD also outrebounded David Lee in college, and they played in the same conference.

JJ didn't dominate the boards in college, so it's hard to call him an above-average rebounder at this point, but he could go either way.  The athleticism and size is there to be a good rebounder.
Rebounding is one of the stats that translates the best though.

And David Lee did out rebound Glen Davis on a per minute basis Roy. (though Lee is just an okay rebounder, playing C for D'Antoni inflated his true totals if you play at a more normal system and at PF)

David Lee 12.8 Reb/40
Glen Davis 11.9 Reb/40

But you're right, things aren't exactly the same in the NBA. Size and leaping ability become a lot more important in the NBA than in college.
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Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2011, 10:19:39 AM »

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They should give J.Johnson the lowest amount possible for next year to keep as much cap space free as possible. Like San Antonio did with George Hill.

Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2011, 10:23:02 AM »

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They should give J.Johnson the lowest amount possible for next year to keep as much cap space free as possible. Like San Antonio did with George Hill.

True.  It's not like he's really in a position to negotiate

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« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2011, 10:27:38 AM »

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They should give J.Johnson the lowest amount possible for next year to keep as much cap space free as possible. Like San Antonio did with George Hill.

True.  It's not like he's really in a position to negotiate
Xavier Henry sat out over a similar thing, so its not that easy.

Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2011, 10:28:47 AM »

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They should give J.Johnson the lowest amount possible for next year to keep as much cap space free as possible. Like San Antonio did with George Hill.

True.  It's not like he's really in a position to negotiate

... and yet, almost all rookies end up with 120% of scale, despite seemingly having no leverage.  I've got to think it's an issue of wanting to appease agents over a relatively minor amount of money, and wanting to get guys into camp sooner (which may not be an issue this year).


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Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2011, 10:28:52 AM »

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They should give J.Johnson the lowest amount possible for next year to keep as much cap space free as possible. Like San Antonio did with George Hill.

True.  It's not like he's really in a position to negotiate
Xavier Henry sat out over a similar thing, so its not that easy.
Xavier Henry was a lottery pick. JJ is an end of the first round pick.

There will be less fuss over him.

Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2011, 10:32:02 AM »

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Johnson was actually 8.6 rebounds a game.  I'm not sure where the 8.2 comes from and was tied for 3rd in the Big Ten with Draymond Green and behind Mbakwe and Sullinger.  Let's also not forget that the Big Ten isn't exactly an up tempo conference.  There just aren't nearly as many rebounding chances as there are in other conferences.
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« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2011, 10:47:32 AM »

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He is, however, 220 pounds and not known for his rebounding.

Where'd you get that from? All of the reports I've seen of him say he's a good rebounder.
NBADraft.net (I think) had a scouting report saying that he is "not the rebounder he should be with his size". I will probably agree - 8 rpg in college for someone this tall is good, but not extraordinary.

8RPG in college isn't that bad.  There's other things you need to consider.  First thing is they only play 40 minutes in college.  Also, Purdue plays very slowly, meaning less chances to get rebounds. 
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Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2011, 10:50:05 AM »

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Johnson was actually 8.6 rebounds a game.  I'm not sure where the 8.2 comes from and was tied for 3rd in the Big Ten with Draymond Green and behind Mbakwe and Sullinger.  Let's also not forget that the Big Ten isn't exactly an up tempo conference.  There just aren't nearly as many rebounding chances as there are in other conferences.

This is an interesting point.

Re: Johnson should not be signed
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2011, 10:58:11 AM »

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It always amuses me when people who have absolutely no clue about salary cap and the nba try and voice their opinion and then use the "I didnt know all the details" card. If you dont know what your talking about then maybe you need to rethink posting stupid articles/posts (whatever you call it). Why would we not sign a 1st round pick that could actually come into the rotation and give our bigs some kind of rest for a "fantasy" player in 2012. Hell why dont we just trade everyone on the team for 1st round picks next year then, bomb this season and hope Dwight Howard comes here and we draft 3 guys in the top 10.