Johnson should not be signed

[syfy9]

Luke Haragony got signed to the Celts, and he was about the 55th pick last year. Why would you sign him but not JJ, at the 27th pick, if you have the cap, the space, and the need of big men?

[throwedoff]

Yo lemme watch wat i say this time around cuz i've been banned before man why are people so down on dude?? IMO he's gonna be a solid player but real talk who u gonna trade him for?? why ship him overseas when we dont have a backup power forward currently??

[LooseCannon]

Luke Haragony got signed to the Celts, and he was about the 55th pick last year. Why would you sign him but not JJ, at the 27th pick, if you have the cap, the space, and the need of big men?

If you would be an order of magnitude worse as a GM than Isaiah Thomas, then maybe you wouldn't sign JJ.  But even if you were that bad, you still probably would.

[diconzo]

Hah! Take away from our max contract cap space?? As of now we could pretty much fit 2 max contracts in the 2012 offseason. We have 27 million on the books. JJ is worth the extra 1 million on the books. Same goes for Moore. I hear he's a good defensive SG who can knock it down from outside.

[Marcus13]

Not to mention, Dwight isn't going to want to come sign with Rondo, an aging Pierce and NOBODY else.

If Jujuan comes in and knocks down shots like we need him to, it could HELP our chances at landing him

[kozlodoev]

Hah! Take away from our max contract cap space?? As of now we could pretty much fit 2 max contracts in the 2012 offseason. We have 27 million on the books. JJ is worth the extra 1 million on the books. Same goes for Moore. I hear he's a good defensive SG who can knock it down from outside.

No, we actually can't. Or at least is a bit more complicated than this.

[Yogi]

OP, I understand your concern.  However, free agent or not, we will need at least 12 players, and we're not going to get role players for less.  In 2012, JJ will a big with experience with the Celtics system and chemistry with Doc, Rondo and Pierce. 

[the_Bird]

If you aren't going to sign JuJuan Johnson, just forfeit next season and take ping pong balls.  That also means you aren't going to sign Jeff Green for more than one season, or ANYONE for more than one season.  If you want to have a realistic chance of contending in 2011-2012, they're going to have to spend a little bit of money somewhere.

[erisred]

Johnson was actually 8.6 rebounds a game.  I'm not sure where the 8.2 comes from and was tied for 3rd in the Big Ten with Draymond Green and behind Mbakwe and Sullinger.  Let's also not forget that the Big Ten isn't exactly an up tempo conference.  There just aren't nearly as many rebounding chances as there are in other conferences.

Yeah, that was my thinking about it. Johnson's rebounding numbers weren't spectacular, but 8.6 a game in the Big 10 is still good. If he were wider (not taller) with the same hops and agility, he would have pulled down a lot more rebounds...and gone in the lottery.  I've seen a couple of his games and watched footage from others (youtube) and it looks like he knows how to box out and he can rebound (and score) in traffic after contact. I didn't see a lot of tipping the ball, when he got his hands on it, he kept it. Those are good signs.

[PosImpos]

This might actually be the most ridiculous piece of armchair GMing I have seen on this forum.

[pearljammer10]

Boo this thread big time.

I think this is one of the better picks we've made in the past few years. He looks like a great addition, I think he can play right away. And his game has some great parallels to KG, I think learning from KG will be great for this kid and for the team.

[heitingas]

I think Ainge should stick to the not adding salary past next year,since last year, Ainge resigned Ray for 2 years,same with Shaq and JO, why add a draft pick now even if it's small, couldn't Ainge have traded to an early 2nd round pick ? Did he really need Johnson as a 1st round pick ?

That was all I wanted to say, and even if the cap is 62 million and max FA are reduced, we also have a potential lottery pick, don't know the rookie scale of next year but if it's in the lotto it should be alot more and we have our own 1st and 2nd next year to sign. Which leaves some cap room to sign someone, should we use it on KG and Ray or someone else and convince them to come for the minimum ?

I haven't said Johnson is bad but he could have been drafted later, maybe Nets 36 for our pick 25.

[toneskeet]

From what draft analysts, Doc, and Danny said it wasn't expected he would make it to us at all. I don't think we could have waited till the second round. If there's a guy a team likes (like we did) You jump on him when you can. It won't eat up that much cap, and were still going to need role players after 2012. . . I'm a big fan of the pick, and think that Johnson will surprise a lot of you.

[GreenFaith1819]

I'm glad we picked up Jajuan where we did with the 27th pick, and after reading through the thread here I see no reason why he'd hurt our financial standing.

Besides, I believe he and E'Twuan will help us next year. I hope he and Moore make the team.

[mgent]

He is, however, 220 pounds and not known for his rebounding.

Where'd you get that from? All of the reports I've seen of him say he's a good rebounder.

NBADraft.net (I think) had a scouting report saying that he is "not the rebounder he should be with his size". I will probably agree - 8 rpg in college for someone this tall is good, but not extraordinary.

In similar minutes Glen Davis got more rebounds in college as a senior.

Though I'm not sure if pace is similar, or if Davis had other teammates to get defensive boards. (same for Johnson)

College stats don't always translate, though.  For instance, BBD also outrebounded David Lee in college, and they played in the same conference.

JJ didn't dominate the boards in college, so it's hard to call him an above-average rebounder at this point, but he could go either way.  The athleticism and size is there to be a good rebounder.

Rebounding is one of the stats that translates the best though.

And David Lee did out rebound Glen Davis on a per minute basis Roy. (though Lee is just an okay rebounder, playing C for D'Antoni inflated his true totals if you play at a more normal system and at PF)

David Lee 12.8 Reb/40
Glen Davis 11.9 Reb/40

But you're right, things aren't exactly the same in the NBA. Size and leaping ability become a lot more important in the NBA than in college.

Yet in the NBA David Lee is in another league than Baby, especially on the offensive boards.