Josh Smith rumor / Atlanta interested?

[StartOrien]

I don't know how I'd feel about moving forward building around Rondo and Josh Smith. Its an exciting team, but I don't know how serious of contenders they could become.

[Celtic#9]

Boston sends: JO, Jeff Green, S+T BBD, Two 2nds
Atlanta sends: Josh Smith, Jason Collins?

Atlanta gets a 5 in JO and a back up 4/5 in BBD along with a solid starting 3. Essentially, 2 good borderline starters and  Green who is capable of being able to start on most teams.

JO/Zaza/BBD
Horford/BBD
Green/Williams
Johnson/Hinrich
Teague/Hinrich

This will give them the ability to shop Williams and Teague and some picks for a starting point guard (Raymond Felton?). Also, get to move Horford to 4. However, they will most likely say no beacause they don't get KG or Ray(who I think are both better than Smith so they need to throw a pick in for me). And there are probably better offers.

[Roy H.]

At first, I rejected this possibility out of hand.  I want to see Ray and KG retire in green.

However, after thinking on it a bit more, a lot depends on 1) what the new CBA looks like and 2) what the Celtics are hearing through back channels.

Right now, if we added Smith and otherwise cleared our salary cap (getting rid of Bradley and our #1 this year, and not signing any multi-year free agents), we'd have about $41 million committed going into the summer of 2012.  If the cap goes up to around $60 million, that's almost enough to sign a max free agent like Dwight Howard.  If Danny was hearing that Howard would join a core of Rondo + Smith, I think we'd have to do it.

However, without guarantees about both the CBA and Howard's willingness to join the Celtics, I don't think you can make this move.  Josh Smith isn't good enough to cut into our cap room for.

[Fafnir]

If Danny was hearing that Howard would join a core of Rondo + Smith, I think we'd have to do it.

However, without guarantees about both the CBA and Howard's willingness to join the Celtics, I don't think you can make this move.  Josh Smith isn't good enough to cut into our cap room for.

Which is why these sort of moves just aren't happening until the CBA is done.

[Rondo2287]

At first, I rejected this possibility out of hand.  I want to see Ray and KG retire in green.

However, after thinking on it a bit more, a lot depends on 1) what the new CBA looks like and 2) what the Celtics are hearing through back channels.

Right now, if we added Smith and otherwise cleared our salary cap (getting rid of Bradley and our #1 this year, and not signing any multi-year free agents), we'd have about $41 million committed going into the summer of 2012.  If the cap goes up to around $60 million, that's almost enough to sign a max free agent like Dwight Howard.  If Danny was hearing that Howard would join a core of Rondo + Smith, I think we'd have to do it.

However, without guarantees about both the CBA and Howard's willingness to join the Celtics, I don't think you can make this move.  Josh Smith isn't good enough to cut into our cap room for.

With a team centered around Smith, Howard and Rondo our athleticism and defense would be through the roof but couldnt most teams just pack the paint on defense?  Obviously if you have those three guys you are in good shape but that could be an issue down the road.

[jdub1660]

Trade Ray and Davis for Josh Smith and 2012 draft pick.

Sign Michael Redd and draft Marshon Brooks.

Rondo,Redd,Pierce,Smith,JO
West,Brooks,Green,KG,FA(Dampier,Pryzbilla,Ben Wallace)

[Roy H.]

At first, I rejected this possibility out of hand.  I want to see Ray and KG retire in green.

However, after thinking on it a bit more, a lot depends on 1) what the new CBA looks like and 2) what the Celtics are hearing through back channels.

Right now, if we added Smith and otherwise cleared our salary cap (getting rid of Bradley and our #1 this year, and not signing any multi-year free agents), we'd have about $41 million committed going into the summer of 2012.  If the cap goes up to around $60 million, that's almost enough to sign a max free agent like Dwight Howard.  If Danny was hearing that Howard would join a core of Rondo + Smith, I think we'd have to do it.

However, without guarantees about both the CBA and Howard's willingness to join the Celtics, I don't think you can make this move.  Josh Smith isn't good enough to cut into our cap room for.

With a team centered around Smith, Howard and Rondo our athleticism and defense would be through the roof but couldnt most teams just pack the paint on defense?  Obviously if you have those three guys you are in good shape but that could be an issue down the road.

I'd take that core any day.  You'd have to supplement it with shooters, but that team is elite on defense and extremely athletic on offense.  I think those three guys could easily be the base for a championship team.

[Marcus13]

Ray, Green + the 25 for Smith

This is the best thing that could happen to this franchise.

Boston gets a young big in Josh Smith
Atlanta gets a replacement for Crawford for next season and then get mad money comin off the books

[Rondo2287]

At first, I rejected this possibility out of hand.  I want to see Ray and KG retire in green.

However, after thinking on it a bit more, a lot depends on 1) what the new CBA looks like and 2) what the Celtics are hearing through back channels.

Right now, if we added Smith and otherwise cleared our salary cap (getting rid of Bradley and our #1 this year, and not signing any multi-year free agents), we'd have about $41 million committed going into the summer of 2012.  If the cap goes up to around $60 million, that's almost enough to sign a max free agent like Dwight Howard.  If Danny was hearing that Howard would join a core of Rondo + Smith, I think we'd have to do it.

However, without guarantees about both the CBA and Howard's willingness to join the Celtics, I don't think you can make this move.  Josh Smith isn't good enough to cut into our cap room for.

With a team centered around Smith, Howard and Rondo our athleticism and defense would be through the roof but couldnt most teams just pack the paint on defense?  Obviously if you have those three guys you are in good shape but that could be an issue down the road.

I'd take that core any day.  You'd have to supplement it with shooters, but that team is elite on defense and extremely athletic on offense.  I think those three guys could easily be the base for a championship team.

Oh ya, don't get me wrong i would love it, Im just trying ot picture how it would work haha.

[clover]

I would be crushed at first, but if Dwight did decide to some here then all would be forgiven and then some. We know he's close with Smith, and he obv. has interest in playing With Rondo. We give Ray, BBD, OUR 1st next year. Use the MLE on someone like J.R. Smith. I know it's still a long shot but think if Dwight signs here. . . 2012 lineup:

Rondo, Smith, J.R.,  Green, Smith, Howard

Pierce
Bradly
West?
2011 1st
2012 clippers

I agree, a BBD S&T and some other stuff, but not Rondo or Green, would work well.

[stylo617617]

we all heard of the rumors now lets all discuss what we would all propose to atlanta for j.smith

my 1st idea

ray allen
glen davis(s&t)
delonte west (s&t)
future 2nd rounder
for

josh smith
jamal crawford(s&t)
jeff teague

& then maybe ray can do some acting & pretend he dosent wanna be in atlanta after the trade & ask for a cheap buyout then return =]]]]]

or
ray allen
jeff green
glen davis

for
josh smith
jamal crawford
teugue
future 2nd rounder

thoughts & idea's are appreciated thank you.

[Roy H.]

I would be crushed at first, but if Dwight did decide to some here then all would be forgiven and then some. We know he's close with Smith, and he obv. has interest in playing With Rondo. We give Ray, BBD, OUR 1st next year. Use the MLE on someone like J.R. Smith. I know it's still a long shot but think if Dwight signs here. . . 2012 lineup:

Rondo, Smith, J.R.,  Green, Smith, Howard

Pierce
Bradly
West?
2011 1st
2012 clippers

If we used the full MLE and kept Bradley and our first, that's going to bring our 2012 payroll to right around $50 million.  Even assuming a $60 million cap, that $10 million isn't going to be enough to sign Dwight Howard (and that's without even getting into things like cap holds).  If we keep Green, that cap space becomes even smaller.

In other words, Howard in that scenario is a realistic impossibility.

[StartOrien]

At first, I rejected this possibility out of hand.  I want to see Ray and KG retire in green.

However, after thinking on it a bit more, a lot depends on 1) what the new CBA looks like and 2) what the Celtics are hearing through back channels.

Right now, if we added Smith and otherwise cleared our salary cap (getting rid of Bradley and our #1 this year, and not signing any multi-year free agents), we'd have about $41 million committed going into the summer of 2012.  If the cap goes up to around $60 million, that's almost enough to sign a max free agent like Dwight Howard.  If Danny was hearing that Howard would join a core of Rondo + Smith, I think we'd have to do it.

However, without guarantees about both the CBA and Howard's willingness to join the Celtics, I don't think you can make this move.  Josh Smith isn't good enough to cut into our cap room for.

With a team centered around Smith, Howard and Rondo our athleticism and defense would be through the roof but couldnt most teams just pack the paint on defense?  Obviously if you have those three guys you are in good shape but that could be an issue down the road.

I'd take that core any day.  You'd have to supplement it with shooters, but that team is elite on defense and extremely athletic on offense.  I think those three guys could easily be the base for a championship team.

I don't know. When the game inevitably slows down in crunch time, I don't know how I feel about that team.

[heitingas]

IF this is a remote possibility then we DO IT,I had a thread about this a few months ago..

Rondo and Smith played in Oak Hill together and Smith and Howard played on AAU team as well, that's why Smith mentions the Celtics and Magic. If we could not sign any MLE guys and/or sign Green to only the one year QO we could possibly get Howard in Free agency (Howard has said he's becoming one). If the opportunity presents itself YOU HAVE TO DO IT.

THE NEW BIG 3, RONDO,JSMOOVE,HOWARD.

[Evantime34]

At first, I rejected this possibility out of hand.  I want to see Ray and KG retire in green.

However, after thinking on it a bit more, a lot depends on 1) what the new CBA looks like and 2) what the Celtics are hearing through back channels.

Right now, if we added Smith and otherwise cleared our salary cap (getting rid of Bradley and our #1 this year, and not signing any multi-year free agents), we'd have about $41 million committed going into the summer of 2012.  If the cap goes up to around $60 million, that's almost enough to sign a max free agent like Dwight Howard.  If Danny was hearing that Howard would join a core of Rondo + Smith, I think we'd have to do it.

However, without guarantees about both the CBA and Howard's willingness to join the Celtics, I don't think you can make this move.  Josh Smith isn't good enough to cut into our cap room for.

With a team centered around Smith, Howard and Rondo our athleticism and defense would be through the roof but couldnt most teams just pack the paint on defense?  Obviously if you have those three guys you are in good shape but that could be an issue down the road.

I'd take that core any day.  You'd have to supplement it with shooters, but that team is elite on defense and extremely athletic on offense.  I think those three guys could easily be the base for a championship team.

I don't think it will be hard to find guys who can hit wide open 3's. The athleticism of this core would give them much more open shots than the Celtics currently get.

This team would be elite on defense and the fast break. Easily the most exciting team to watch in the league.