So, now BBD is gonna straight out say...

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, if he is gone, I hope Danny has a plan on how to replace him.

For all of his supposed faults, if he leaves we will need an experienced sub for Kevin Garnett - not someone that KG will have to spend time teaching. We have perhaps one more shot next year and we need to throw our best team out there.

I think Glen Davis needs to be a part of that team next year.

If he is gone, who will replace him, on the cheap, that's out there right now? I'm not one for any player holding a franchise hostage and expecting more than what they may be worth, but seriously if Glen "Big Baby" Davis leaves who can realistically be had to fill the void behind KG?

To me, all it sounds like is Glen just needs some mental tuning.

If he is gone it will be very interesting to see who Danny brings in to replace him and gel with KG and the rest of the team, because this guy replacing Glen will have to hit the deckplates running. I think the guy backing up KG will be the most important player on the Celtic's roster next year, and I hope it's Glen Davis.

you make it sound like we're doomed without BBD. the guy backing up KG is not the most important player. It's KG. then Rondo. then Pierce and Allen. If we sat down and thought hard about it, i'm sure people here could come up with a list of guys who can fill BBD's role. Plus, that guy will likely not be the ballhog that BBD is!

What's important though is that whoever they get is signed/traded before training camp starts. A lot of chemistry is built in training camp. This is also partly why I'm so confident in Jeff Green's performance making a big leap from last year's lackluster showing.

Lilrip -

Lord I hope your optimism is well-placed here.

All I know is that KG had that one 28-pt game in May, and then seemed to struggle vs MIA - because Glen's head was evidently not in the game.

By all accounts, he should've been able to abuse Joel Anthony in every game. But he was tired, apparently.

I'm holding out hope that, like you stated, Glen Davis is not that important to this Celtics Team.

I hope this player that you believe is out there is willing to come in here and spell KG, be a good soldier, set picks for Ray, and play good defense - all for a respectable amount of money.

There have been a few out there, indeed, that I think can fill this role, but as we've seen with some of our recent departures (Perk, TA,) I hope that in the event of Glen moving on we won't have an void.

[xmuscularghandix]

ah! big baby why must u open your mouth just to put your foot in it?

and tons of food in it


let see what should glen davis' diet be today ?

hmmm maybe glen davis will eat some
pancakes
some pudding
maybe some cake for desert
hmm glen davis gotta load up on carbs before the game so glen davis will eat 5 meals , yea glen davis knows what glen davis is doing

oh yea dont forget about my appearance on Ray Allen's wife's cooking show and admit that glen davis loves to eat his crispy cream donuts.

you fat infant, get out!

Can you stop talking please? Big Baby is a solid player. He disappears for one playoff and people act like he's horrible. He was a strong candidate for 6th man early in the season! I'm pretty sure he can run faster than you.

Glen Davis didn't just disapear in the Playoffs, he was gone by the 2nd half of the season. He went from drawing charges, scoring at a high percentage, and crashing the offensive boards to late rotations, no charges, and WAY too many bad jump shots.

Glen's attitude is garbage, he thinks he's something he'll never be, and he's unable of accepting his role. "I know i can start on a lot of teams" << Then go ahead.

[LilRip]

Well, if he is gone, I hope Danny has a plan on how to replace him.

For all of his supposed faults, if he leaves we will need an experienced sub for Kevin Garnett - not someone that KG will have to spend time teaching. We have perhaps one more shot next year and we need to throw our best team out there.

I think Glen Davis needs to be a part of that team next year.

If he is gone, who will replace him, on the cheap, that's out there right now? I'm not one for any player holding a franchise hostage and expecting more than what they may be worth, but seriously if Glen "Big Baby" Davis leaves who can realistically be had to fill the void behind KG?

To me, all it sounds like is Glen just needs some mental tuning.

If he is gone it will be very interesting to see who Danny brings in to replace him and gel with KG and the rest of the team, because this guy replacing Glen will have to hit the deckplates running. I think the guy backing up KG will be the most important player on the Celtic's roster next year, and I hope it's Glen Davis.

you make it sound like we're doomed without BBD. the guy backing up KG is not the most important player. It's KG. then Rondo. then Pierce and Allen. If we sat down and thought hard about it, i'm sure people here could come up with a list of guys who can fill BBD's role. Plus, that guy will likely not be the ballhog that BBD is!

What's important though is that whoever they get is signed/traded before training camp starts. A lot of chemistry is built in training camp. This is also partly why I'm so confident in Jeff Green's performance making a big leap from last year's lackluster showing.

Lilrip -

Lord I hope your optimism is well-placed here.

All I know is that KG had that one 28-pt game in May, and then seemed to struggle vs MIA - because Glen's head was evidently not in the game.

By all accounts, he should've been able to abuse Joel Anthony in every game. But he was tired, apparently.

I'm holding out hope that, like you stated, Glen Davis is not that important to this Celtics Team.

I hope this player that you believe is out there is willing to come in here and spell KG, be a good soldier, set picks for Ray, and play good defense - all for a respectable amount of money.

There have been a few out there, indeed, that I think can fill this role, but as we've seen with some of our recent departures (Perk, TA,) I hope that in the event of Glen moving on we won't have an void.

i'm not saying BBD's role of spelling KG isn't important. Giving KG a rest is important. But then again, that role wouldn't even exist without KG. Thus, KG is more important. What i was getting at is that BBD is replaceable.

the biggest difference between BBD's departure and Perk/TA's departure is that we'd be signing someone specifically to replace him. When TA left, and when DA didn't make a move in the offseason to replace him, we all knew there'd be a void to fill at some point. We already had Quis the year before and he got injured. Coming into the season, majority of us dreaded the inevitable day when Quis would get injured again. Same with Perk. Shaq was supposed to be the stopgap, but then he went down. When we traded away Perk, we didn't get a replacement for Perk or Shaq. Instead, we got a wingman to fill the aforementioned void that TA's absence created.

If we let BBD walk, we should absolutely sign someone specifically to replace him. If we don't, then you're right. There will be a void and we're in trouble.

[moiso]

Baby is a clown.  I prefer other teams to have guys like this so I can root against them.

[Jeff]

and he's still probably the best option we have at backup PF - which naws at me in a bad way

[rondohondo]

Baby is a clown.  I prefer other teams to have guys like this so I can root against them.

would you give the MLE to Carl Landry?

fill the center position with vet min guys for a year like Kwame and Mohammed?

Landry is the kind of guy I would give the MLE to because he is still young and can grow with Rondo and Green, plus it wouldn't effect our cap space too much in 2012, we would still have plenty of money to offer a max contract to Dwight Howard. A core of Rondo, PP, Green, Landry, clippers pick next year(hopefully) and the possibility of KG and Ray wanting to return as vet min role players for a few years would have to be enticing to Howard.

[LooseCannon]

I wouldn't have a problem with bringing back Big Baby if I felt that Doc were willing to keep Davis on the bench and give his minutes to an inferior or inexperienced talent as a matter of discipline if his attitude causes problems, even if it turns a few regular season wins into losses.

Ainge should offer Davis a modest contract and refuse to match anything higher.  Like Leon Powe, BBD should not be in the team's long-term plans.  Let Big Baby find out how much he is worth on the open market.  If he takes too long to crawl back to Boston, the Celtics offer goes down.

[Spilling Green Dye]

This guy doesn't bring anything to a winning basketball team except a (fat) body.

...that he threw around the court to good effect? He posted the third highest Defensive Rating on the team after Garnett and Rondo - good enough for top 20 league wide - and the fourth most Defensive Win Shares.

Where are you getting this information?  According to 82games Davis allowed his opponents to achieve the following PER production:

PF:  15.6
Center:  19.9

The other players on the team allowed the following PER production:

Shaq:  11.9
Krstic:  15.6
Green:  15.9
Pierce:  10.9
Garnett:  14.1
Rondo:  13.3
Daniels:  11.2
J. O'Neal:  16.4
D. West:  Avg of 15.0
Perkins: 15.1

According to that, players who were most productive against the Celtics were Centers going against Glen Davis.  His 19.9 is the worst of anyone on the team.  Seriously!!

Of course its obvious he should be playing PF, but even then 15.6 is not great... in fact it's below league average.  Considering all of the headaches and too many minutes that Davis gets, I think it'd be wise to look for his replacement instead.

[LooseCannon]

Of course its obvious he should be playing PF, but even then 15.6 is not great... in fact it's below league average.  Considering all of the headaches and too many minutes that Davis gets, I think it'd be wise to look for his replacement instead.

To be fair, it's not much below league average and comparable to or better than some other backup PFs on playoff teams (although those players are better on offense than Davis).

Defensive ratings and defensive win shares can be found at basketball-reference.com.  The advanced metric win shares/48 minutes puts Davis as 12th best on the Celtics, behind Jeff Green and Troy Murphy, but ahead of Delonte West and Von Wafer.

[cman88]

If we want to win a championship next year with this core we need guys who are commited to playing their roles and sacrificing for the team...glen davis "can" be valuable to us if he plays his role. Unfortunately he probably wont...give him a 1year offer and trade him if he refuses and try and get some value back

Carl landry would be a good replacement. Or maybe resign powe.

[Prof. Clutch]

If only Glen Davis would let Glen Davis get his head right.

[cman88]

I think danny muste made the trade for jeff green with this in mind too...boston has a new potential 6th man in town who can play the 3 and 4 and the offense will run through him on the 2nd unit. Should baby get the shots when jeff is a better shooter?

[The Walker Wiggle]

This guy doesn't bring anything to a winning basketball team except a (fat) body.

...that he threw around the court to good effect? He posted the third highest Defensive Rating on the team after Garnett and Rondo - good enough for top 20 league wide - and the fourth most Defensive Win Shares.

Where are you getting this information?  According to 82games Davis allowed his opponents to achieve the following PER production:

PF:  15.6
Center:  19.9

The other players on the team allowed the following PER production:

Shaq:  11.9
Krstic:  15.6
Green:  15.9
Pierce:  10.9
Garnett:  14.1
Rondo:  13.3
Daniels:  11.2
J. O'Neal:  16.4
D. West:  Avg of 15.0
Perkins: 15.1

According to that, players who were most productive against the Celtics were Centers going against Glen Davis.  His 19.9 is the worst of anyone on the team.  Seriously!!

Basketball reference. Although whether Defensive Rating or Opponent PER or Win Shares I find all the defensive metrics educational and misleading in turns. Is it worth pointing out that our starting center headed into the offseason Jermaine O'Neal, posted a worse Net PER than Davis? -6.7 versus Glen's -5.9 at Center.

And while we're discussing Davis and 82games.com

"Clutch Leaders since 2008"

eFG% (min 10 FGA’s per 36)

1. David Lee – 59.1%
2. Eric Gordon – 57.4%
3. Quentin Richardson – 55.8%
4. Glen Davis – 55.6%
5. Amare Stoudemire – 55.2%
6. LeBron James – 54.0%
7. Steve Nash – 53.9%
8. Mo Williams – 53.9%
9. Ray Allen – 53.9%
10. Jason Terry – 53.5%

Baby take the jumper!

[mgent]

I can't remember a Celtics player who seemed to try so hard to alienate himself from the fan base.

BBD should be a fan favorite.  At times, he's been the hustle player that we all love to root for. 

Unfortunately, more often he's the guy who resists what the team asks him to do, the guy who injures himself, the guy who is looking to get paid, the guy who wants a bigger role, the guy who can't stay in shape, the guy who wants to take more shots than Pierce and Allen, the guy who thinks he's better than he is. 

I don't like the latter guy very much.  BBD has value off the bench, but his attitude and his mouth make a lot of people wish he'd just go away.  "Glen" can "be Glen" in another city.

I think you are 100% wrong.  Davis has been an amazingly versatile player for us, and has been willing to do what was needed.   It's just that simple.  We won't find another player who is so malleable easily. 

100% wrong?  Let's parse my statements:

Unfortunately, more often he's the guy who resists what the team asks him to do,

Repeatedly in the playoffs, BBD refused to set screens, etc., and looked for his own offense.  Doc criticized him multiple times for this.  In his interview today, BBD took a couple of shots at Doc.  They may have been good-natured, and they may not have been, but the " . . . who is going to let Glen Davis be Glen Davis, not let Glen Davis be something they think he should be" and "I tune Doc out" comments rubbed me the wrong way.

... the guy who injures himself,

The dude hurt his hand getting in a drunken fight with a friend, causing him to miss a ton of games.  That's not even getting into the damage he does to his body by not getting in shape.

...the guy who is looking to get paid,

BBD has talked about his desire to cash in, and how basketball is a business, numerous times, including before he was drafted and before his last flirtation with free agency.  The "mentally distracted" comments are probably related to free agency, as well.

... the guy who wants a bigger role,

Again, Davis has talked about how he'd like to be a starter, and Doc has mentioned how a lot of the young guys have been about stats, rather than ubuntu.

... the guy who can't stay in shape,

This should be self-explanatory.  Numerous times, he's lost weight, only to gain most or all of it back.

... the guy who wants to take more shots than Pierce and Allen,

See, e.g., 2011 playoffs.  Rather than setting screens, BBD was taking jumpers.  From Doc's comments, it doesn't seem like this was the offensive game plan.

... the guy who thinks he's better than he is.

See above, collectively.

So, I think "100% wrong" might have been a bit of an exaggeration on your part.  Maybe 15% wrong, but definitely not 100%.

Don't forget "the guy who's just waiting to become an all star and then wants to try out the NFL."

It's 100% obvious Big Baby doesn't take the game as seriously as he should.

[The Walker Wiggle]

Synergy Sports - which breaks down every possession offense and defense - ranks Davis out as excellent covering the roll man in the P&R (0.69 PPP allowed which is good for 9th in the league), and defending spot-up shooters (0.79 PPP allowed – 17th best). While he’s poor guarding the post (0.88 PPP allowed – 149th) and, to nobody’s surprise, really vulnerable when isolated (0.91 PPP allowed – 243rd). His overall PPP allowed 0.82 ranks him 70th in the league.