Trade ideas: Rondo should be untouchable

[indeedproceed]

Nobody should be untouchable, unless we really like 2nd round exits and long offseasons. Man, I am still too annoyed with the Celtics to really discuss them yet.

[RyNye]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

[Chris]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

So Dirk isn't top talent?

[wdleehi]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

So Dirk isn't top talent?

A top talent payed like a top talent. 


3rd highest payroll.   



They spent money wisely around a highly paid top player at their position. 



Meanwhile the Heat, made it to the finals their first year together. 


That's a lot of top talent in the NBA Finals. 

How far did the best bargain in the NBA go?  (rookie deals do not count)

[KCattheStripe]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

So Dirk isn't top talent?

A top talent payed like a top talent. 


3rd highest payroll.   



They spent money wisely around a highly paid top player at their position. 



Meanwhile the Heat, made it to the finals their first year together. 


That's a lot of top talent in the NBA Finals. 

How far did the best bargain in the NBA go?  (rookie deals do not count)

Memphis Second Round ( Especially if you ignore Rudy's contract because he didn't play)

[wdleehi]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

So Dirk isn't top talent?

A top talent payed like a top talent. 


3rd highest payroll.   



They spent money wisely around a highly paid top player at their position. 



Meanwhile the Heat, made it to the finals their first year together. 


That's a lot of top talent in the NBA Finals. 

How far did the best bargain in the NBA go?  (rookie deals do not count)

Memphis Second Round ( Especially if you ignore Rudy's contract because he didn't play)

Who is the bargain player?  Gasol is still on his first/rookie deal. 

[indeedproceed]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

So Dirk isn't top talent?

A top talent payed like a top talent. 


3rd highest payroll.   



They spent money wisely around a highly paid top player at their position. 



Meanwhile the Heat, made it to the finals their first year together. 


That's a lot of top talent in the NBA Finals. 

How far did the best bargain in the NBA go?  (rookie deals do not count)

Memphis Second Round ( Especially if you ignore Rudy's contract because he didn't play)

Who is the bargain player?  Gasol is still on his first/rookie deal. 

Tony Allen? Shawn Marion is another guy who is a pretty decent deal (so are Barea and Peja, for the roles they played)

[wdleehi]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

So Dirk isn't top talent?

A top talent payed like a top talent. 


3rd highest payroll.   



They spent money wisely around a highly paid top player at their position. 



Meanwhile the Heat, made it to the finals their first year together. 


That's a lot of top talent in the NBA Finals. 

How far did the best bargain in the NBA go?  (rookie deals do not count)

Memphis Second Round ( Especially if you ignore Rudy's contract because he didn't play)

Who is the bargain player?  Gasol is still on his first/rookie deal. 

Tony Allen? Shawn Marion is another guy who is a pretty decent deal (so are Barea and Peja, for the roles they played)

I guess.  Not the bargain level player Rondo will be. 

The main guys on the team are not bargains. 

[No Nickname]

Chris Paul on this year's Celtic's team would have beaten the Heat (even a healthy Rondo wouldn't have mattered) in the playoffs.

Rondo, Baby, plus a pick, with Paul and a wing coming back would transform this team and give them a legitimate shot at one more title.  Even with some solid FA pickups at center, next year's squad will not win the title.  Bring Paul in and they have a chance.

Plus, a Chris Paul can help lure free agents to Boston in future years.  How many folks think that Rondo has the same quality?  Yes, he racks up assists, but do players really look at Rondo the same way they did Nash a few years ago?  Will Rondo make players better like Nash did? 

[MBunge]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

  In 08-09 CP3 put up 23/6/11 and had a PER of 30. Last year he put up 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7. While you can't believe everything you read on the internet there are questions about whether he's going to regain all of his explosiveness or not. Make sure you know what you're getting if you trade for him.

16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7 is still better then Rondo.

If he picks up his player option, you're gonna have to pay Paul 34 million dollars over the next two seasons.  You'll only have to pay Rondo 33 million over the next three.

I'd agree you don't hold onto Rondo just because he's a bargain, but the Chris Paul of this past regular and post-season is not worth that kind of money, especially given that more restrictive salary rules are almost a certainty.

Mike

Nobody won a title because their player was "a bargain"


Paul is worth that type of money. 

So, your crystal ball tells you that Paul will return to the level he was at 3 years ago?  'Cause if he doesn't, he ain't worth 17 million a year.

2010-2011 regular season stats

Paul - 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 stls
Rondo - 10.6 pts, 11.2 asts, 4.4 rebs. 2.2 stls

And if you leave out the last three games against Miami where Rondo was playing with one arm, post season stats are...

Paul - 22 pts, 11.5 asts. 6.7 rebs, 1.8 stls
Rondo, 18 pts, 10.1 asts, 8 rebs, 1.3 stls

The Paul we saw this past season AND post-season is not worth 17 million dollars a year.  Paying guys based on what they used to to instead of what they can do now is another way teams get into salary cap hell.

Mike

[StartOrien]

So, your crystal ball tells you that Paul will return to the level he was at 3 years ago?  'Cause if he doesn't, he ain't worth 17 million a year.

2010-2011 regular season stats

Paul - 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 stls
Rondo - 10.6 pts, 11.2 asts, 4.4 rebs. 2.2 stls

And if you leave out the last three games against Miami where Rondo was playing with one arm, post season stats are...

Paul - 22 pts, 11.5 asts. 6.7 rebs, 1.8 stls
Rondo, 18 pts, 10.1 asts, 8 rebs, 1.3 stls

The Paul we saw this past season AND post-season is not worth 17 million dollars a year.  Paying guys based on what they used to to instead of what they can do now is another way teams get into salary cap hell.

My crystal ball would tell you to watch the video and check out the stats on Chris Paul this playoff.

[indeedproceed]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

  In 08-09 CP3 put up 23/6/11 and had a PER of 30. Last year he put up 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7. While you can't believe everything you read on the internet there are questions about whether he's going to regain all of his explosiveness or not. Make sure you know what you're getting if you trade for him.

16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7 is still better then Rondo.

If he picks up his player option, you're gonna have to pay Paul 34 million dollars over the next two seasons.  You'll only have to pay Rondo 33 million over the next three.

I'd agree you don't hold onto Rondo just because he's a bargain, but the Chris Paul of this past regular and post-season is not worth that kind of money, especially given that more restrictive salary rules are almost a certainty.

Mike

Nobody won a title because their player was "a bargain"


Paul is worth that type of money.  

So, your crystal ball tells you that Paul will return to the level he was at 3 years ago?  'Cause if he doesn't, he ain't worth 17 million a year.

2010-2011 regular season stats

Paul - 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 stls
Rondo - 10.6 pts, 11.2 asts, 4.4 rebs. 2.2 stls

And if you leave out the last three games against Miami where Rondo was playing with one arm, post season stats are...

Paul - 22 pts, 11.5 asts. 6.7 rebs, 1.8 stls
Rondo, 18 pts, 10.1 asts, 8 rebs, 1.3 stls

The Paul we saw this past season AND post-season is not worth 17 million dollars a year.  Paying guys based on what they used to to instead of what they can do now is another way teams get into salary cap hell.

Mike

Those Rondo stats from the postseason are irrelevant in this situation. So are CP3's. Chris Paul is the better player. His longevity is the question, not his current level of play.

[BballTim]

i know im likely going to get ripped for this, but if we had CP3 instead of Rondo, our team would be significantly better. we wont lose much on D and we'd gain so much more on offense.

  In 08-09 CP3 put up 23/6/11 and had a PER of 30. Last year he put up 16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7. While you can't believe everything you read on the internet there are questions about whether he's going to regain all of his explosiveness or not. Make sure you know what you're getting if you trade for him.

16/4/10 with a PER of 23.7 is still better then Rondo.

If he picks up his player option, you're gonna have to pay Paul 34 million dollars over the next two seasons.  You'll only have to pay Rondo 33 million over the next three.

I'd agree you don't hold onto Rondo just because he's a bargain, but the Chris Paul of this past regular and post-season is not worth that kind of money, especially given that more restrictive salary rules are almost a certainty.

Mike

Nobody won a title because their player was "a bargain"


Paul is worth that type of money.  

So, your crystal ball tells you that Paul will return to the level he was at 3 years ago?  'Cause if he doesn't, he ain't worth 17 million a year.

2010-2011 regular season stats

Paul - 15.8 pts, 9.8 asts, 4.1 rebs, 2.4 stls
Rondo - 10.6 pts, 11.2 asts, 4.4 rebs. 2.2 stls

And if you leave out the last three games against Miami where Rondo was playing with one arm, post season stats are...

Paul - 22 pts, 11.5 asts. 6.7 rebs, 1.8 stls
Rondo, 18 pts, 10.1 asts, 8 rebs, 1.3 stls

The Paul we saw this past season AND post-season is not worth 17 million dollars a year.  Paying guys based on what they used to to instead of what they can do now is another way teams get into salary cap hell.

Mike

Those Rondo stats from the postseason are irrelevant in this situation. So are CP3's. Chris Paul is the better player. His longevity is the question, not his current level of play.

  How is his current level of play not the question when it's clearly well below his historical level of play?

[KCattheStripe]

I love how everyone keeps saying that "top talent wins in the NBA," as if that were some sort of reason to get rid of Rondo. Yup, top talent wins alright, that's why the Miami Heat won the title.

This year proved that star power only gets you so far compared to good team play. Did you guys even WATCH the playoffs?

So Dirk isn't top talent?

A top talent payed like a top talent. 


3rd highest payroll.   



They spent money wisely around a highly paid top player at their position. 



Meanwhile the Heat, made it to the finals their first year together. 


That's a lot of top talent in the NBA Finals. 

How far did the best bargain in the NBA go?  (rookie deals do not count)

Memphis Second Round ( Especially if you ignore Rudy's contract because he didn't play)

Who is the bargain player?  Gasol is still on his first/rookie deal. 

I thought you meant collectively, not the best individual bargain.

[StartOrien]

 How is his current level of play not the question when it's clearly well below his historical level of play?

22 points on .545 fg%, .474 3p%, 11.5 assists, 6.7 rebounds, 1.3 steals against the Lakers in the playoffs completely irrelevant?