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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2011, 03:26:38 PM »

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Make it Rondo for Millsap + Raja + #3 Pick and we have a deal. As much I do not want to trade Rajon, i'd gamble on this.
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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2011, 03:27:39 PM »

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Not a fan of this trade at all.  I'd much rather keep Rondo then do this and I am not a Rondo homer by any stretch of the imagination.
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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2011, 03:30:41 PM »

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how about rondo for favors and a filler?

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2011, 03:41:13 PM »

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A very large downgrade from Rondo to D.Harris ... Kanter is too much of an unknown for me to take a risk like that.

If it were D.Williams, it would be more interesting. I haven't seen enough of him to be sure one way or the other but it would be worth considering.

For the record, this is pretty much where I stand on this as well.  Just thought I would throw the idea out there though.

...although I do think, if the C's didn't have Rondo, Harris could be a decent fit with this group of players.  He is not the distributor Rondo is, but he is capable, and could carry more of the scoring burden, which, while wouldn't have been ideal a couple years ago, may be something they could use now.

  Without the distribution you limit the effectiveness of the scorers we have now and supplement it with someone who's 27 and has had one good scoring year in his career. Plus you lose the defense and rebounding.

Yeah, I would be pretty worried about the Big Three's effectiveness offensively without Rondo there to create high quality shot attempts for them. They just aren't dominant enough scorers anymore to maintain their current levels of success without Rondo. 

To play devils advocate though, we saw in the playoffs that defenses have found ways to take away the passing game.  So, while it really helped them cruise at times in the regular season, in the postseason, when defenses were putting more energy into keeping the ball out of Pierce, Ray, and KG's hands, we really could have used more consistent scoring from the PG spot.

Now, I understand the argument that Harris just isn't that good.  But I still think it wouldn't be a terrible thing for this team to have a more consistently effective scoring threat at the PG position...or of course if Rondo became that guy, that would be ideal.

  I agree that it would help if Rondo's scoring was a little more consistent in the playoffs but even still he's been scoring 16-17 a game over the last 3 years. Are you really expecting Harris to score significantly more than that?
 

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2011, 03:42:01 PM »

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how about rondo for favors and a filler?

What kind of favors?

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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2011, 03:49:04 PM »

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A very large downgrade from Rondo to D.Harris ... Kanter is too much of an unknown for me to take a risk like that.

If it were D.Williams, it would be more interesting. I haven't seen enough of him to be sure one way or the other but it would be worth considering.

For the record, this is pretty much where I stand on this as well.  Just thought I would throw the idea out there though.

...although I do think, if the C's didn't have Rondo, Harris could be a decent fit with this group of players.  He is not the distributor Rondo is, but he is capable, and could carry more of the scoring burden, which, while wouldn't have been ideal a couple years ago, may be something they could use now.

  Without the distribution you limit the effectiveness of the scorers we have now and supplement it with someone who's 27 and has had one good scoring year in his career. Plus you lose the defense and rebounding.

Yeah, I would be pretty worried about the Big Three's effectiveness offensively without Rondo there to create high quality shot attempts for them. They just aren't dominant enough scorers anymore to maintain their current levels of success without Rondo. 

To play devils advocate though, we saw in the playoffs that defenses have found ways to take away the passing game.  So, while it really helped them cruise at times in the regular season, in the postseason, when defenses were putting more energy into keeping the ball out of Pierce, Ray, and KG's hands, we really could have used more consistent scoring from the PG spot.

Now, I understand the argument that Harris just isn't that good.  But I still think it wouldn't be a terrible thing for this team to have a more consistently effective scoring threat at the PG position...or of course if Rondo became that guy, that would be ideal.

  I agree that it would help if Rondo's scoring was a little more consistent in the playoffs but even still he's been scoring 16-17 a game over the last 3 years. Are you really expecting Harris to score significantly more than that?
 

If they defend him the same way they defend Rondo?  Absolutely.  You can say a lot about Harris, but it is hard to deny that he is a better finisher and shooter than Rondo.

But of course, they won't defend him the same way they defend Rondo.  They will respect his offense more, which will open things up more for the Big 3 (if he can get the ball to them, of course).

Now, I won't sit here and say Harris is anywhere near the player Rondo is.  All I am saying is, if he plays up to his ability (which he certainly hasn't done since he left Dallas for that terrible team in NJ), I think he can give the C's a different look, and give them 80-85 percent of what Rondo gave them.  And, if the other guy they get can give them a sigificant upgrade at another position, it could end up being a net positive.

Again, I don't think I would do this particular trade.  But I think, if Danny does decide to move Rondo, this is the type of deal he would be looking at.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2011, 03:51:10 PM »

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Make it Rondo for Millsap + Raja + #3 Pick and we have a deal. As much I do not want to trade Rajon, i'd gamble on this.

Or, I thought it would not match the salaries. Rajon + SnT BBD for Millsap + Raja + rights either for Kanter or Brandon Knight (anybody else = no).

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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2011, 04:05:44 PM »

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  I agree that it would help if Rondo's scoring was a little more consistent in the playoffs but even still he's been scoring 16-17 a game over the last 3 years. Are you really expecting Harris to score significantly more than that?
 

If they defend him the same way they defend Rondo?  Absolutely.  You can say a lot about Harris, but it is hard to deny that he is a better finisher and shooter than Rondo.

  It's actually pretty easy to deny that he's a better finisher than Rondo. His midrange game is below average as well. He's better at threes and free throws than Rondo, I'll give you that.

But of course, they won't defend him the same way they defend Rondo.  They will respect his offense more, which will open things up more for the Big 3 (if he can get the ball to them, of course).

  Again, he's never been known as a distributor.

Now, I won't sit here and say Harris is anywhere near the player Rondo is.  All I am saying is, if he plays up to his ability (which he certainly hasn't done since he left Dallas for that terrible team in NJ), I think he can give the C's a different look, and give them 80-85 percent of what Rondo gave them.  And, if the other guy they get can give them a sigificant upgrade at another position, it could end up being a net positive.

  It's been almost 4 years since he left Dallas. It's quite a gamble to expect him to revert to that type of player, and I'd still say that Rondo's significantly better than Harris was in Dallas.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #23 on: June 15, 2011, 05:16:22 PM »

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I think a lot of people are severely underestimating Devin Harris here.  Now, I don't think he is any all-star, but people aren't considering that he has been on an absolute crap team for quite a while now.  When playing on a contending team, Devin Harris was playing great ball.  Such great ball that he was essentially traded straight up for a 34yo Jason Kidd who was still playing at an all-star level.  I'm reading people say that he can't play good defense?  Well, Paul Pierce wasn't exactly a great defender during the '06-'07 either.  It's tough to give it your all every night when you know you're not going anywhere.

I've been very vocal on this blog about my opinion that I don't think Rondo would be looking quite as spectacular if he wasn't on a team loaded with talent.  I think if he were on the Nets teams that Harris has played on recently, he would look equally poor.

I think that Harris is absolutely capable of playing defense at a high level (shown in the playoff runs for the Mavs).  I also think if he had HOF-caliber players around him, he could probably be an effective passer too.  Certainly a far inferior rebounder, but he's a way bigger threat to score.

I'm not saying I'd do the deal (although Enes Kanter really intrigues me), but I do think people are severely underestimating Devin Harris here.
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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #24 on: June 15, 2011, 05:17:45 PM »

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how about rondo for favors and a filler?

What kind of favors?

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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #25 on: June 15, 2011, 05:29:06 PM »

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how about rondo for favors and a filler?

What kind of favors?

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Worth one from me. I burst out laughing

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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2011, 05:38:51 PM »

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I think a lot of people are severely underestimating Devin Harris here.  Now, I don't think he is any all-star, but people aren't considering that he has been on an absolute crap team for quite a while now.  When playing on a contending team, Devin Harris was playing great ball.  Such great ball that he was essentially traded straight up for a 34yo Jason Kidd who was still playing at an all-star level.  I'm reading people say that he can't play good defense?  Well, Paul Pierce wasn't exactly a great defender during the '06-'07 either.  It's tough to give it your all every night when you know you're not going anywhere.

He was traded on potential that he hasn't further developed

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2011, 05:53:33 PM »

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Oh God, I long for Rondo to be traded so the endless Trade Rondo talk will STOOOOOOPPPPPPP!

My God, we have a player rare potential like, and so many folks can't find a better way to spend their summer than thinking up ways to trade him.  Yes, Danny might trade him.  Danny is an idjit.  He can surely find someone to rip him off any time he wants to pick up the phone.  But we shouldn't trade him.  We should work VERY HARD with him this summer on improving his shooting.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2011, 06:11:00 PM »

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My God, we have a player rare potential like, and so many folks can't find a better way to spend their summer than thinking up ways to trade him.  Yes, Danny might trade him.  Danny is an idjit.  He can surely find someone to rip him off any time he wants to pick up the phone.  But we shouldn't trade him.  We should work VERY HARD with him this summer on improving his shooting.

Rajon Rondo has now been in the league for five years. I think he's a valuable asset to this team, a heck of a player, and an even better value.

But this point about him 'for sure' improving is continuously brought up, and I'm not sure if its a valid point. In five years, he hasn't shown much, if any improvement on his jump shot.  

At some point we might have to accept that he's just never going to become an average shooter, and that severely limits his ability to improve on his overall game (which is a very, very good overall game). I don't care for this particular trade, but to dismiss the idea of trading Rondo entirely is silly to me.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2011, 06:24:49 PM »

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How about Rondo and our #1 for Jefferson and #3. We take Brandon Knight or Walker (whichever DA thinks is better) and Big Al splits time with JO and KG at the C and F spots. I'm not sure the money works, but I do this in a heartbeat...