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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2011, 06:34:38 PM »

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How about Rondo and our #1 for Jefferson and #3. We take Brandon Knight or Walker (whichever DA thinks is better) and Big Al splits time with JO and KG at the C and F spots. I'm not sure the money works, but I do this in a heartbeat...

I think if you're looking to make a trade with the Jazz it starts with Paul Milsap

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2011, 07:24:00 PM »

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I like the idea of including Portland.

Outgoing
Boston        Utah          Portland
Rondo         D.Harris    A.Miller
#25 pick      #3 pick     N.Batum
                                       12" 1st rnd

Incoming
Boston          Utah          Portland
A.Miller         Rondo      D.Harris
N.Batum                         #25 pick 
12" 1st rnd
#3 pick

Utah gets their point guard of the future.

Portland gets a younger point and perimeter scorer to pair with Aldridge.

Boston gets a capable replacement starter.
Nicholas Batum a young, athletic,  and cheap swingman.
#3 Overall to take Kanter for the future and present.
2012 portland 1st which probably range from late teens to early twenties.

I think that's pretty fair all around.
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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2011, 07:49:04 PM »

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I like the deal a lot. But would Utah do it? They might project Knight to become a better player than Rondo. A lot of this deal depends on how good of a player Danny thinks Kanter will be. I, personally, think the deal would help now and for the future, however.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2011, 08:12:52 PM »

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I like the idea of including Portland.

Outgoing
Boston        Utah          Portland
Rondo         D.Harris    A.Miller
#25 pick      #3 pick     N.Batum
                                       12" 1st rnd

Incoming
Boston          Utah          Portland
A.Miller         Rondo      D.Harris
N.Batum                         #25 pick 
12" 1st rnd
#3 pick

Utah gets their point guard of the future.

Portland gets a younger point and perimeter scorer to pair with Aldridge.

Boston gets a capable replacement starter.
Nicholas Batum a young, athletic,  and cheap swingman.
#3 Overall to take Kanter for the future and present.
2012 portland 1st which probably range from late teens to early twenties.

I think that's pretty fair all around.

  The reason Boston's getting stuff for the future is because of the dropoff in current talent. If one of the picks turn out to be better than Rondo it's a good trade for the future but it doesn't help us next year.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #34 on: June 15, 2011, 08:17:14 PM »

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This is one of the best trades Ive seen on CB that actually benefits all the teams in involved

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #35 on: June 15, 2011, 08:34:00 PM »

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I like the idea of including Portland.

Outgoing
Boston        Utah          Portland
Rondo         D.Harris    A.Miller
#25 pick      #3 pick     N.Batum
                                       12" 1st rnd

Incoming
Boston          Utah          Portland
A.Miller         Rondo      D.Harris
N.Batum                         #25 pick  
12" 1st rnd
#3 pick

Utah gets their point guard of the future.

Portland gets a younger point and perimeter scorer to pair with Aldridge.

Boston gets a capable replacement starter.
Nicholas Batum a young, athletic,  and cheap swingman.
#3 Overall to take Kanter for the future and present.
2012 portland 1st which probably range from late teens to early twenties.

I think that's pretty fair all around.

I'd do this pick. But can Utah give away their 2nd rounder that'll be the sweetener.
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Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #36 on: June 15, 2011, 09:05:09 PM »

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From the viewpoint of somebody who selected Devin Harris in the latest Pick Two draft, I had reason to do some research on him.  In general, I feel like he's being vastly underrated in this thread.

First of all, when he decides to attack the rim he's a problem for a defense.  He's great at drawing contact, and he'll go through stretches where he either gets layups or gets fouled.  He's very tough on a defense when he plays like that. 

He's a decent shooter inside of about 16 feet, but you don't want him taking long two-point jumpshots (and he takes too many of these).  He's not terrible out beyond the arc, but at .322 this last season he's slightly below average.

The part I don't understand is that people here are calling him a poor passer and a score-first guard.  Don't let one year fool you.  He's a pass-first guard (less than 12 shots per game as the primary ballhandler), and he's actually an above average passer at the PG position.  He's not Rondo, but he's not as huge of a dropoff as many seem to believe.

He's an enigma on defense, very good when he puts the effort in... but therein lies the problem.  He exerted zero effort on this side of the ball in New Jersey. 

I view him as a large risk.  The Devin Harris of the last few years is simply an average guard who only plays when he feels like it and seems to lack the desire to be an elite point guard.  Having said that, he does have an extra gear, and if he uses this extra gear consistently he can be well above average, even borderline elite. 

As far as the trade goes, I'm undecided.  Despite what I just said about Harris, I'd try to get Favors instead, with an eye on using the pick to get Brandon Knight, who I like.  If I was sure that I'd be drafting Derrick Williams I'd do the trade as suggested, but I have little interest in Kanter and with Harris there's no need to draft another PG. 

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #37 on: June 15, 2011, 09:13:55 PM »

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Id like to hear what Lawrence Frank would say, having coached Harris in NJ and with the celtics last season

Personally i dont do it

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #38 on: June 15, 2011, 09:15:54 PM »

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i wouldnt think anybody would want him after that arm thing went down

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #39 on: June 15, 2011, 09:17:29 PM »

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So, we have seen plenty of Rondo trade ideas floated out,

 Look my friend, If we think that we need to trade Rondo, the youngest star that we have, is the end of discusion. Makes no sense to me. Sincerely :(

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #40 on: June 15, 2011, 09:58:18 PM »

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I'd do it. Devin Harris is a good point guard that can shoot.

And if the Celts can get the no 3 draft pick,that sounds like a steal to me.


Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2011, 11:05:28 PM »

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The part I don't understand is that people here are calling him a poor passer and a score-first guard.  Don't let one year fool you.  He's a pass-first guard (less than 12 shots per game as the primary ballhandler), and he's actually an above average passer at the PG position.  He's not Rondo, but he's not as huge of a dropoff as many seem to believe.
 

  It's true he doesn't take a ton of shots but then again he doesn't get a lot of assists either. And it's not just a 1 year thing. Over the last 3 years he has twice as many fga as assists. Rondo's fga/assist ratio is about 1/1, Nash is about 1.1/1, CP3 is 1.3/1 and Deron is 1.4/1. Harris has a fga/assist ratio over the last 3 years that's about identical to Westbrook's. I don't think that's really on the "pass first" side of the spectrum.

  He's not close to the passer Rondo is and that will have an impact on the offense you get from the big three. More scoring from your pg and less scoring (and less efficient shooting) from the scorers on the team isn't going to help the offense, and you have to consider the significant dropoff on defense and rebounding.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2011, 01:59:57 AM »

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I like the idea of including Portland.

Outgoing
Boston        Utah          Portland
Rondo         D.Harris    A.Miller
#25 pick      #3 pick     N.Batum
                                       12" 1st rnd

Incoming
Boston          Utah          Portland
A.Miller         Rondo      D.Harris
N.Batum                         #25 pick 
12" 1st rnd
#3 pick

Utah gets their point guard of the future.

Portland gets a younger point and perimeter scorer to pair with Aldridge.

Boston gets a capable replacement starter.
Nicholas Batum a young, athletic,  and cheap swingman.
#3 Overall to take Kanter for the future and present.
2012 portland 1st which probably range from late teens to early twenties.

I think that's pretty fair all around.

  The reason Boston's getting stuff for the future is because of the dropoff in current talent. If one of the picks turn out to be better than Rondo it's a good trade for the future but it doesn't help us next year.


IMO, If Kanter can play a major role off the bench then the trade would help us immediately.

It gives Danny more to work with while taking away holes in the roster. We downgrade at the point but get youth, athleticism, and potential at positions of need the SF and PF/C. After the trade we'd still have the MLE, LLE, Green and Bradley to use to add more depth to any remaining roster holes if the aim is to still contend. The idea would be we're trading Rondo for more quality depth.

If the plan is to blow it up we'd be in great shape. We'd have Kanter, Batum, Green, Bradley and two(possibly three) first round picks in whats projected to be a very deep 2012 draft. Plus Pierce would be our only big guaranteed contract going into the 2012 offseason. That's a lot of trade chips and a lot of money to spend.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2011, 06:33:33 AM »

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Oh God, I long for Rondo to be traded so the endless Trade Rondo talk will STOOOOOOPPPPPPP!

My God, we have a player rare potential like, and so many folks can't find a better way to spend their summer than thinking up ways to trade him.  Yes, Danny might trade him.  Danny is an idjit.  He can surely find someone to rip him off any time he wants to pick up the phone.  But we shouldn't trade him.  We should work VERY HARD with him this summer on improving his shooting.

Rondo is in the league for 5 years now and his (freethrow)shooting hasn't improved one bit. That means that he either didn't put in the time to improve before or he isn't capable of improving. So this makes him either lazy or simply incapable to shoot the three and from the line. Either way he is a PG with fantastic passing abilities, who is a great defender and a decent rebounder. But also one who can't shoot the three or freethrow which makes him pretty one dimensional and pretty "easy" to defend. To me there is little hope that he will ever be a better shooter. To me he certainly is available to trade, but only for the right players/picks in return. Another reason why he isn't untouchable in my book is that I think we don't stand a chance in 2012 to win it all again. I would love to see DA getting one or two more high draft picks in next years draft and start all over again.

Re: Trade Idea: Rondo to Utah
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2011, 08:57:14 AM »

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Oh God, I long for Rondo to be traded so the endless Trade Rondo talk will STOOOOOOPPPPPPP!

My God, we have a player rare potential like, and so many folks can't find a better way to spend their summer than thinking up ways to trade him.  Yes, Danny might trade him.  Danny is an idjit.  He can surely find someone to rip him off any time he wants to pick up the phone.  But we shouldn't trade him.  We should work VERY HARD with him this summer on improving his shooting.

Rondo is in the league for 5 years now and his (freethrow)shooting hasn't improved one bit. That means that he either didn't put in the time to improve before or he isn't capable of improving. So this makes him either lazy or simply incapable to shoot the three and from the line. Either way he is a PG with fantastic passing abilities, who is a great defender and a decent rebounder. But also one who can't shoot the three or freethrow which makes him pretty one dimensional and pretty "easy" to defend.

  If Rondo was "easy" to defend he wouldn't get anywhere near the assists he does, the Celts wouldn't be one of the best shooting teams in the league and the Celts would never make any noise in the playoffs.

  And Rondo's about as far as you'll get from one dimensional.