Your Prediction for Next Year's Team?

[CelticsGuy34]

rondo-west-bradley
ray - jr smith
pierce- jeff green
kg - kenyon martin
c - jermaine  -

[Change]

Rondo Avery
Ray JR-Smith
Pierce Green
KG Evans
JO Kristic Shaq

2rookies 2vet minimum

[BballTim]

Rondo / West / Bradley
Ray / West / Wafer
Pierce / Green / Rookie
KG / K-Mart / J. Jeffries / Rookie
JO / Krstic / S. Jones



46 wins (4th or 5th seed), gutsy first round win, lose in second round.

  Are you predicting which 2-3 rotation players will have long term injuries? Because that's what it would take for your prognosis to match your roster.

One of the Big 3 will probably miss at least 10 total games.  JO and Krstic will be plagued by injuries throughout the season, though combined they'll start 82.  K-Mart would play most of the season but he'd inevitably have some injuries.  We know West will miss significant time.  Inevitably the team would have to lean heavily on Jeffries, Jones, Wafer, Bradley, and perhaps one of the rookies.  Hard to say whether Rondo will have a healthy season, too.

I think wins in the mid to high 40's and a second round exit is a perfectly reasonable prediction for the roster I predicted.

  So basically, you think that more health for the center spot (with no 39 games from Shaq), the same health from the big three and a healthy Rondo means 10 less wins than last year? Good luck with that.

Roughly the same health from the Big 3, who will be one year older and thus a little bit less able to carry the team?  Yes.

A mostly healthy season from Rondo, who will still be fairly inconsistent and still a limited offensive player far more suited to create shots for other than take them himself?  Yes.

More health from the center spot, though it will be manned by two players who will give us significantly less than Shaq or Perk did?  Yes.

Similar overall production from a bench led by West, Green, and K-Mart (or whoever else we get to fill Baby's spot) and completed by borderline rotation players like Jeffries, Jones, Wafer etc?  Yes.

An Eastern conference that will continue to get stronger and more competitive while the Celtics continue to fade?  Yes.


All of that adds up to a 2011-2012 season that will see the Celtics finish with fewer wins and a lower seed than last season, although ultimately the same basic result (a convincing though hard fought second round exit).

  Yes, this is the same core that was "done" two years ago. If they don't have more injuries than you predict they'll win as many games as they did last year, especially considering Rondo's health, along with that of the center spot and Delonte probably cost us the #1 seed.

  Edit: It's your prediction, I really shouldn't be arguing with it (much).

[PosImpos]

Rondo / West / Bradley
Ray / West / Wafer
Pierce / Green / Rookie
KG / K-Mart / J. Jeffries / Rookie
JO / Krstic / S. Jones



46 wins (4th or 5th seed), gutsy first round win, lose in second round.

  Are you predicting which 2-3 rotation players will have long term injuries? Because that's what it would take for your prognosis to match your roster.

One of the Big 3 will probably miss at least 10 total games.  JO and Krstic will be plagued by injuries throughout the season, though combined they'll start 82.  K-Mart would play most of the season but he'd inevitably have some injuries.  We know West will miss significant time.  Inevitably the team would have to lean heavily on Jeffries, Jones, Wafer, Bradley, and perhaps one of the rookies.  Hard to say whether Rondo will have a healthy season, too.

I think wins in the mid to high 40's and a second round exit is a perfectly reasonable prediction for the roster I predicted.

  So basically, you think that more health for the center spot (with no 39 games from Shaq), the same health from the big three and a healthy Rondo means 10 less wins than last year? Good luck with that.

Roughly the same health from the Big 3, who will be one year older and thus a little bit less able to carry the team?  Yes.

A mostly healthy season from Rondo, who will still be fairly inconsistent and still a limited offensive player far more suited to create shots for other than take them himself?  Yes.

More health from the center spot, though it will be manned by two players who will give us significantly less than Shaq or Perk did?  Yes.

Similar overall production from a bench led by West, Green, and K-Mart (or whoever else we get to fill Baby's spot) and completed by borderline rotation players like Jeffries, Jones, Wafer etc?  Yes.

An Eastern conference that will continue to get stronger and more competitive while the Celtics continue to fade?  Yes.


All of that adds up to a 2011-2012 season that will see the Celtics finish with fewer wins and a lower seed than last season, although ultimately the same basic result (a convincing though hard fought second round exit).

  Yes, this is the same core that was "done" two years ago. If they don't have more injuries than you predict they'll win as many games as they did last year, especially considering Rondo's health, along with that of the center spot and Delonte probably cost us the #1 seed.

  Edit: It's your prediction, I really shouldn't be arguing with it (much).

Do you have any issues with my prediction of the roster, or do you think that is reasonable?  If not, it seems as though the main difference between us is our optimism in predicting the win total and ultimate success of the team.  My view is that the team will have less regular season success, but eventually come as far as this year's team did; your opinion seems to differ.

[BballTim]

Rondo / West / Bradley
Ray / West / Wafer
Pierce / Green / Rookie
KG / K-Mart / J. Jeffries / Rookie
JO / Krstic / S. Jones



46 wins (4th or 5th seed), gutsy first round win, lose in second round.

  Are you predicting which 2-3 rotation players will have long term injuries? Because that's what it would take for your prognosis to match your roster.

One of the Big 3 will probably miss at least 10 total games.  JO and Krstic will be plagued by injuries throughout the season, though combined they'll start 82.  K-Mart would play most of the season but he'd inevitably have some injuries.  We know West will miss significant time.  Inevitably the team would have to lean heavily on Jeffries, Jones, Wafer, Bradley, and perhaps one of the rookies.  Hard to say whether Rondo will have a healthy season, too.

I think wins in the mid to high 40's and a second round exit is a perfectly reasonable prediction for the roster I predicted.

  So basically, you think that more health for the center spot (with no 39 games from Shaq), the same health from the big three and a healthy Rondo means 10 less wins than last year? Good luck with that.

Roughly the same health from the Big 3, who will be one year older and thus a little bit less able to carry the team?  Yes.

A mostly healthy season from Rondo, who will still be fairly inconsistent and still a limited offensive player far more suited to create shots for other than take them himself?  Yes.

More health from the center spot, though it will be manned by two players who will give us significantly less than Shaq or Perk did?  Yes.

Similar overall production from a bench led by West, Green, and K-Mart (or whoever else we get to fill Baby's spot) and completed by borderline rotation players like Jeffries, Jones, Wafer etc?  Yes.

An Eastern conference that will continue to get stronger and more competitive while the Celtics continue to fade?  Yes.


All of that adds up to a 2011-2012 season that will see the Celtics finish with fewer wins and a lower seed than last season, although ultimately the same basic result (a convincing though hard fought second round exit).

  Yes, this is the same core that was "done" two years ago. If they don't have more injuries than you predict they'll win as many games as they did last year, especially considering Rondo's health, along with that of the center spot and Delonte probably cost us the #1 seed.

  Edit: It's your prediction, I really shouldn't be arguing with it (much).

Do you have any issues with my prediction of the roster, or do you think that is reasonable?  If not, it seems as though the main difference between us is our optimism in predicting the win total and ultimate success of the team.  My view is that the team will have less regular season success, but eventually come as far as this year's team did; your opinion seems to differ.

  I think they'll add more than one player, but probably not a starter. I think one more person that will be part of the rotation but my thoughts on how many wins they'll get is based on the starters. Also, I really don't have any thoughts on how the new CBA will affect things.

[greenpride32]

I see a lot of JR Smith being mentioned; exactly how would we go about getting him?  He certainly will go for more than the MLE and given his age he's going to get a long term contract with a high total dollar value.

[slamtheking]

starters:
Rondo, Ray, PP, KG, JO.
JO because the C's won't get either Dalembert or Oden as FAs.  If they change teams, they'll be going to Miami and NY since they'll have the same money to offer as the C's and younger superstars that will afford them more shots at a title than the C's will.  JO is as good as any other FAs that are left over so he'll start.

Bench:
resign West, Wafer, Green, Krstic.   Bradley's already under contract.  1st round pick.
BBD is gone.  I'd prefer Danny pull a S&T to get something for him but realistically I don't see it happening.  
Shaq should retire but I wouldn't be surprised if Danny brought him back if he's recovered for next season.
I'd be floored if the second round pick this year actually made the roster.  I'd rather see Danny take a flyer on a Euro player like Semih that stays overseas for a year or two for some seasoning.

FA's: I'm not really enthused by anyone out there that the C's could realistically get but since they'll need to fill out the roster....
Take flyer on Lasme if he's healthy.  C's need a young athletic player that hustles.  Grant Hill would be redundant to Green so I don't see him coming (plus he loves Phoenix).  Jamal Crawford seems like too much of a gunner to fit in.  I'd be thrilled if they got Carl Landry to back up KG.  Less so if it turned out they got Kmart.  I wouldn't mind Jared Jeffries either but I don't see him leaving NY.  I wouldn't mind Caron Butler either but I think Michael Redd might be a more realistic target on a make-good contract.

Team:
Rondo, Ray, PP, KG, JO
Delonte, Michael Redd (on LLE type deal), Green, Carl Landry (on MLE deal), Krstic
Bradley, Shaq,  Wafer, Lasme, 1st round pick

[mc34]

Rondo / West / Bradley
Ray / West / Wafer
Pierce / Green / Rookie
KG / K-Mart / J. Jeffries / Rookie
JO / Krstic / S. Jones



46 wins (4th or 5th seed), gutsy first round win, lose in second round.

  Are you predicting which 2-3 rotation players will have long term injuries? Because that's what it would take for your prognosis to match your roster.

One of the Big 3 will probably miss at least 10 total games.  JO and Krstic will be plagued by injuries throughout the season, though combined they'll start 82.  K-Mart would play most of the season but he'd inevitably have some injuries.  We know West will miss significant time.  Inevitably the team would have to lean heavily on Jeffries, Jones, Wafer, Bradley, and perhaps one of the rookies.  Hard to say whether Rondo will have a healthy season, too.

I think wins in the mid to high 40's and a second round exit is a perfectly reasonable prediction for the roster I predicted.

I think that mid to high 50s is a much more likely win total for this squad.  Injuries are always a concern for every team.  Being a legit contender takes some luck along the way. 

Count me as one who believes this team won't be able to match this season's win total with essentially the same group returning. 

Predicting specific win totals is probably folly, anyway, because the season will be shortened.  However, because the season will be shortened, there will be many more back to backs.  I think the Celtics will struggle with a shortened season.

My understanding is the season will be fewer games, just as it was the last time there was a labor issue.  Big arenas in various cities cannot simply squeeze in more games because they have other commitments like hockey, the circus, etc.  So I think a shorter season will actually help the C's.

This videos snapped me out of that type of thinking.

http://www.redsarmy.com/home/2011/05/break-up-the-big-3-and-what-about-that-lockout.html

The 3 consecutive games and stretches like 8 games in 10 nights would be devastating on this team. The lockout is not the answer if it's anything like Pierce's rookie year.

If that happens then we just have to dramatically cut minutes for the starters and consider giving guys some games off here and there. If this happens, all that matters is getting into the playoffs. If our guys can start the playoffs fresh, playing like we do to start the regular seasons in the big 3 era, I don't think anyone can beat us, even if we were the 8 seed.

[BballTim]

I see a lot of JR Smith being mentioned; exactly how would we go about getting him?  He certainly will go for more than the MLE and given his age he's going to get a long term contract with a high total dollar value.

  I don't think I'd give JR Smith a long term contract with a high total dollar value.

[Q_FBE]

The overhang of the CBA prevents me from making a fair speculation of what the 2011-2012 Celtics would look like.

Ideally, I would like to go into the 2012 playoff war with:

Rondo, Ray Allen, Paul Pierce, Garnett, Jermaine as the starting five.

The Bench is a trickier proposition but I think we have to bring back Delonte West, Jeff Green, and Nenad Krstic.

That leaves 4 open roster spots...

I have not ruled out Shaq coming back but at this point that is a reach.

I think that we could bring in here a Reggie Evans, or Kenyon Martin but Samuel Dalambert is a reach.

Is Luke Walton a Free Agent?

Can we nab a Jason Maxiel or Taj Gibson type?

Anyways, 45-50 wins and another 2nd round exit appears to be the reality. I don't know, if the Bricks gel we could be looking at a 1st round ouster.

Yeah, We are looking at a bridge year.

[gotjoker?]

For me, it's tough to make a prediction of how anyone's roster will look before next season.  But I do have a preference as to the way I would like to see the roster be.  Here's what I'm jotting down in a steno book, if I'm Ainge.

Worst case scenario, you're unable to re-sign Jeff Green.  If so, I would like to target Andrei Kirilenko.

I would be open to acquiring OJ Mayo via a trade depending on what the compensation is.

I'm not in favor of re-signing Glen Davis. Conversely, I'm not adverse to re-signing Delonte West and Nenad Krstic.  And I'll like to see Avery Bradley go through a full training camp and pre-season.  Moreover, I hope Shaquille O'Neal decides to retire.  I can live with another season of Jermaine O'Neal but I would prefer to replace him with somebody younger and as skilled as him on defense.  Unfortunately, it'll be a chore to try to improve or add to the center depth this off-season.

A rough draft of what the 2011-2012 roster could look like...


Kevin Garnett
Paul Pierce
Jermaine O'Neal
Rajon Rondo
Ray Allen

Bench

Avery Bradley
Jeff Green (or Andrei Kirilenko)
Delonte West
Nenad Krstic

Marshon Brooks or Nikola Vucevic (2011 first round pick)
Matthew Bryan-Amaning (2011 second round pick)

Possible free agent options...

Andrei Kirilenko
Tayshaun Prince
Shane Battier
Nazr Mohammed
Kyrylo Fesenko
Damien Wilkins
Chris Wilcox

[OHCeltic]

PG Rondo   West
SG Allen   Lee (Rockets)
SF Pierce  Green
PF KG      Hill (Rockets)
C  J.Oneil  Gray (N.O.)

Resign Krstic Von Wafer Pavlovic Arroyo

[OHCeltic]

PG Rondo   West
SG Allen   Lee (Rockets)
SF Pierce  Green
PF KG      Hill (Rockets)
C  J.Oneil  Gray (N.O.)

Resign Krstic Von Wafer Pavlovic
Bradley

[jdz101]

You guys having oden and JO as your first two at center sounds like the pile of stink we just went through...there's a reason Danny traded perk.

[SHAQATTACK]

You guys having oden and JO as your first two at center sounds like the pile of stink we just went through...there's a reason Danny traded perk.

I agree,  I don't think DA is working for just a rerun of this years lineup... I think his posture / talk / goal...shows he's all about putting together a new lineup with a sprinkling of the old big four in some fashion.  I'm sure he has PLAN A , B , C ect .  I think he is going to try and move some people, but if he can't get the talent he needs, then I imagine he'll step back punt and recycle more than rebuild.

Look DA is going to have to do major overhaul if not this year then the next at latest. Waiting another year is proloning the process and liable to postion the "C" in one heck of a major mess down the road.

I PREDICT he will try and land 1 or 2 MAJOR impact players. Maybe  1 this year and then possibly bring in two impact players the next year at latest.  Really the only core future player we have is Rondo .  With what maybe Green ?? .  With a Bench of West and PP. Thats not much to count on. So, this tells me , that there MUST be some BIG NAME  players are going to join this team .unless the NBA throws a huge curve ball .

Who these players are going to be ,  is anybodys guess.  But DA thinks big and I believe he'll at least start at the top of heap and work his way down with different schemes to re-core the team.  

Only if it looks like everything else fails do I think will he resort to just replaying the same core again.

I just don't see DA letting this team return to a bottom feeder outfit again .