Could Rondo and S & T of Davis land us Westbrook?

[bopna]

Westbrook was healthy all year. Rondo has plantar faceitis, a bad back, and bad wrist and a dislocated elbow. Yet Rondo averaged less turnovers per game, more assists per game, more steals per game, a higher FG% per game, a higher eFG% per game, ;ess personal fouls per game, a better defensive rating per game and was voted first team All Defense.


Yet we want to trade a Rondo on a bargain 5 year contract with another player for Westbrook who's going to be looking for a max contract this off season?

Not a smart move

This.....

I also firmly believe a 100% healthy Rondo is all we need and we could have passed the cHeat last playoffs.  We were just really not very lucky this year in terms of health from Shaq, JO, Rondo, West, Wafer,MD, Perk, Heck even Murphy ain't 100%.  Look at the cHeat, they have that freak of nature LBJ, Dirty Wade and Boshtrich all in good health.   

[jdz101]

Rondo is flat out better than westbrook at the pg spot..

[ThaPreacher]

Rondo for Westbrook, Harden and a pick I might listen to........might

ROFLOL,  That is over the top!  
Celtic fans have the bad habit of falling in love with their own players and overvaluing them.  Rondo is certainly one of the most talented point guards in the league.  As an athlete he can do things that are simply amazing.  However, Rondo remains a liability in a half court offense.  To such a degree that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen have to work that much harder for their offense.  
Russell Westbrook is one of the very best point guards at creating his own offense.  He has a terrific set of skills that make him virtually unguardable.  The thing is that he receives both fair and unfair criticism of his shot selection.  In the OKC offensive set, he is expected to create offense first, to open up things for Durant and Harden. The problem is that he sometimes thinks he is the "show", rather than part of the "show".  These things could be remedied in Boston.

I saw that someone made the argument that "Westbrook would be a max deal guy".  With the new CBA,  there will be fewer
max contracts.  Its speculative at best what Westbrook will earn or demand.

I don't think Rondo for Westbrook straight up is the way to go.  Not because Rondo is so much better, but rather because he is perceived to be and therefore is more of an asset.  Far better to have a blockbuster deal to gain pieces for Howard, or replacement parts for the Celtics.   The reason why these Westbrook threads keep popping up is because many people watched what Westbrook did in the playoffs and were rightfully appreciative of his abilities.  People forget Rondo's first few seasons, coming off the bench and the errors he made as a point guard.  Westbrook is still developing and has more of a demand to score than Rondo ever has.  Westbrook for Rondo shouldn't be dismissed, but actually considered as one of many
solutions going forward.

[2short]

Watching the playoff series, every minute of each game actually hurt westbrooks value in my opinion.  His decision making, passing and turnovers are why he really is a sg.
no way would i trade rondo for him

[CelticsFanNC]

  Rondo is better then Westbrook in every facet of the game other then scoring and FT shooting so NO I wouldn't make that deal....EVER.

[paulcowens]

Rondo for Westbrook, Harden and a pick I might listen to........might

ROFLOL,  That is over the top!  
Celtic fans have the bad habit of falling in love with their own players and overvaluing them.  Rondo is certainly one of the most talented point guards in the league.  As an athlete he can do things that are simply amazing.  However, Rondo remains a liability in a half court offense.  To such a degree that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen have to work that much harder for their offense.  
Russell Westbrook is one of the very best point guards at creating his own offense.  He has a terrific set of skills that make him virtually unguardable.  The thing is that he receives both fair and unfair criticism of his shot selection.  In the OKC offensive set, he is expected to create offense first, to open up things for Durant and Harden. The problem is that he sometimes thinks he is the "show", rather than part of the "show".  These things could be remedied in Boston.

I saw that someone made the argument that "Westbrook would be a max deal guy".  With the new CBA,  there will be fewer
max contracts.  Its speculative at best what Westbrook will earn or demand.

I don't think Rondo for Westbrook straight up is the way to go.  Not because Rondo is so much better, but rather because he is perceived to be and therefore is more of an asset.  Far better to have a blockbuster deal to gain pieces for Howard, or replacement parts for the Celtics.   The reason why these Westbrook threads keep popping up is because many people watched what Westbrook did in the playoffs and were rightfully appreciative of his abilities.  People forget Rondo's first few seasons, coming off the bench and the errors he made as a point guard.  Westbrook is still developing and has more of a demand to score than Rondo ever has.  Westbrook for Rondo shouldn't be dismissed, but actually considered as one of many
solutions going forward.

These threads keep coming up because people obsess over scorers.  And you seen to be talking about trading Rondo to help pick up Howard.  I don't get it.  Why do you want to build the future around a player we don't have, rather than a player we DO have, a player who is potentially better anyway?  In any case, the single most important reason for Howard to possibly want to come here IS Rondo.   He must know that Rondo could have him scoring 30ppg.   The two of them could be dynamite together on defense too.  

Watching Westbrook in the playoffs, amazing as Westbrook can be at times, made me really appreciate Rondo a lot.

[CelticsFanNC]

  Very true.  People fall in love with guys who put up great scoring numbers....because ESPN and other media outlets have spent the last two decades telling us that scoring is by far the most important thing a basketball player can do. 

  Sure Westbrook a is a better scorer then Rondo but he doesn't make his teammates better or create offense for his teammates as a PG should do because he spends most of the time he has the ball in his hands looking for his own shots.  That in and of itself makes Westbrook a better scorer but doesn't make him a better basketball player. 

Rondo is a better defender(a full half of the game of basketball), a better facilitator, a better teammate and a better fit for how the Celtics play the game(the right way)

[stylo617617]

untll wesbrook bends his arm like spaghetti & comes back 10 mins later to help his team win a playoff game im choosing rondo anyday

Rondo for Westbrook, Harden and a pick I might listen to........might

ROFLOL,  That is over the top!  
Celtic fans have the bad habit of falling in love with their own players and overvaluing them.  Rondo is certainly one of the most talented point guards in the league.  As an athlete he can do things that are simply amazing.  However, Rondo remains a liability in a half court offense.  To such a degree that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen have to work that much harder for their offense.  
Russell Westbrook is one of the very best point guards at creating his own offense.  He has a terrific set of skills that make him virtually unguardable.  The thing is that he receives both fair and unfair criticism of his shot selection.  In the OKC offensive set, he is expected to create offense first, to open up things for Durant and Harden. The problem is that he sometimes thinks he is the "show", rather than part of the "show".  These things could be remedied in Boston.

I saw that someone made the argument that "Westbrook would be a max deal guy".  With the new CBA,  there will be fewer
max contracts.  Its speculative at best what Westbrook will earn or demand.

I don't think Rondo for Westbrook straight up is the way to go.  Not because Rondo is so much better, but rather because he is perceived to be and therefore is more of an asset.  Far better to have a blockbuster deal to gain pieces for Howard, or replacement parts for the Celtics.   The reason why these Westbrook threads keep popping up is because many people watched what Westbrook did in the playoffs and were rightfully appreciative of his abilities.  People forget Rondo's first few seasons, coming off the bench and the errors he made as a point guard.  Westbrook is still developing and has more of a demand to score than Rondo ever has.  Westbrook for Rondo shouldn't be dismissed, but actually considered as one of many
solutions going forward.

These threads keep coming up because people obsess over scorers.  And you seen to be talking about trading Rondo to help pick up Howard.  I don't get it.  Why do you want to build the future around a player we don't have, rather than a player we DO have, a player who is potentially better anyway?  In any case, the single most important reason for Howard to possibly want to come here IS Rondo.   He must know that Rondo could have him scoring 30ppg.   The two of them could be dynamite together on defense too.  

Watching Westbrook in the playoffs, amazing as Westbrook can be at times, made me really appreciate Rondo a lot.

i agree when westrbroook gace the grizzlies 2 games in that series with horribe decisions,bad shot & t.o's it made me think they wouldve beat the grizz in 5 if dey had rondo

rondo is a jumpshot away from being the best pg in the league a jumpshot that has ben improving year after year

[CelticG1]

Yet we want to trade a Rondo on a bargain 5 year contract with another player for Westbrook who's going to be looking for a max contract this off season?

Is Rondo really a bargain at 11 mil a year? I don't think we overpayed for him but that seems about right. He's not a max player but he still has time to grow into one. I still think he took a decent step back this year (injuries or not) and I think right now his contract is at least about right. Basically at this point I'd be pretty annoyed if we were paying him more

[CelticsFanNC]

  Also I'd bet there are a whole lot of Oklahoma City fans wishing they had Rondo rather then Westbrook so that their elite player, Durant could get the amount of touches/shots during the game and especially in the 4th quarter that a player of his caliber should be getting.

[BballTim]

Rondo for Westbrook, Harden and a pick I might listen to........might

ROFLOL,  That is over the top!  
Celtic fans have the bad habit of falling in love with their own players and overvaluing them.  Rondo is certainly one of the most talented point guards in the league.  As an athlete he can do things that are simply amazing.  However, Rondo remains a liability in a half court offense.  To such a degree that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen have to work that much harder for their offense.  

  This is the crux of the "trade Rondo" discussion and it's just plain false. The fact is that Ray and Paul each had the best or second best shooting years of their careers with Rondo this year. He runs the offense better than any pg you'll see, has great vision and makes better passes than most. The team is much better offensively with him playing and the other players get easier shots.

[BballTim]

Yet we want to trade a Rondo on a bargain 5 year contract with another player for Westbrook who's going to be looking for a max contract this off season?

Is Rondo really a bargain at 11 mil a year? I don't think we overpayed for him but that seems about right. He's not a max player but he still has time to grow into one. I still think he took a decent step back this year (injuries or not) and I think right now his contract is at least about right. Basically at this point I'd be pretty annoyed if we were paying him more

  Before Rondo had his injuries he was in all the lists for MVP candidates. He was leading the league in assists by a fairly wide margin. He was hitting a good percentage on his outside shots. I don't see that as taking a decent step back.

[kn 99]

Rondo for Westbrook, Harden and a pick I might listen to........might

ROFLOL,  That is over the top!  
Celtic fans have the bad habit of falling in love with their own players and overvaluing them.  Rondo is certainly one of the most talented point guards in the league.  As an athlete he can do things that are simply amazing.  However, Rondo remains a liability in a half court offense.  To such a degree that Paul Pierce and Ray Allen have to work that much harder for their offense.  

  This is the crux of the "trade Rondo" discussion and it's just plain false. The fact is that Ray and Paul each had the best or second best shooting years of their careers with Rondo this year. He runs the offense better than any pg you'll see, has great vision and makes better passes than most. The team is much better offensively with him playing and the other players get easier shots.

EXACTLY, almost 50% of PP, KG, and RA's points were off of rondo delivering a nice pass and them just making the shot. none of them would be scoring the points they are right now without a pg like Rondo

[hpantazo]

Not interested.  Rondo's better than Westbrook.

He is??? That's news to me.

Westbrook is far more talented and lit up Rondo like a Christmas tree when the Celts and OKC played early last season.

Rondo is much better than Westbrook, plain and simple. Rondo is a legit pg who leads his team. Westbrook is a sg in a pg's body who chucks more shots than Antoine Walker.

[cavman]

It all depends what you want.

Rondo is a prototypical PG, making life easier for the other players.  His job, ordinarily, isn't to score.  But he can take the lay up when they lay off him too much.

Westbrook can do other things offensively that Rondo can't/doesn't.  But he's not a pass first guy.  He is prone to TOs.  He is not a floor general like Rondo.

To make a trade like that would alter the make up of the team significantly.  The offense would have a very different look because I'm not convinced Westbrook is mature enough to make the necessary adjustment.

I'm not convinced that star point guards- Rose, Westbook- who score lots of points instead of rack up assists can win a championship.  Playoff basketball is different and you saw both of those guys struggle.  Rondo's problems were injury related- he only had one arm.