Watching Haslem Frustrates me

[LB3533]

BBD looked slimmer earlier in the season and he was playing the best ball of his career up until his injury.

He had some time off and seemed to reclaim some of his earlier season form. I think he had his best month of the season in March, right after he rested up from his injury.

I would say that prior to this past playoffs, BBD has made a bigger impact for his team than UD did for his.

[kozlodoev]

If you can't see that BBD has put on 25+ lbs of fat this season then you are either not paying attention, or not willing to be honest about it.

Or, of course, there is the other possible option: that you're wrong.

He is clearly fatter than he was. There are reports he fired his personal trainer which helps explain why.

There are also reports that he is complying with the weight clause in his contract. Go figure.

He has become slower to rotate on defense which is why you rarely saw him draw a charge later in the season and playoffs. He has no lift to his jumper which helps explain his big slide in shooting from the outside. He also regressed in rebounding after making a small stride forward to mediocre, slipping back to awful.

And he was also playing with an injury, which likewise helps to explain all of the above.

Just like I can look in the mirror and at photos and know that I have put on weight, so can all the rest of us look at BBD and know that is the case with him as well.

I typically look at the scales. But then again, that's probably because I'm not willing to be honest about it.

Saying "prove it" or "no he didn't" doesn't help your case. I think you'd rather change the argument away from his play though because no one can defend that.

My case is that you don't know whether he gained weight (and no, citing the crackpot theories of Tommy H. doesn't count as "knowing"). You may think that he looks like he did, but there are other just as likely explanations.

Awful and he has worn out his welcome both on and off the floor.

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

[soap07]

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

No, not at all...for all of Paul's antics off the floor, he was still very productive on the floor during that series, obviously outside of the 1 game suspension in that series.

[kozlodoev]

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

No, not at all...for all of Paul's antics off the floor, he was still very productive on the floor during that series, obviously outside of the 1 game suspension in that series.

Sure, except for the years of hogging the ball and chucking bad jump shots (sounds familiar?).

[mostofusrsad]

Plus, Haslem was a guy like G.Davis who was overweight in his younger days.

Haslem lost 70lbs after college to trim down to 240lbs in order to improve his quickness, mobility and explosiveness. Plus, Haslem managed to retain a lot of his strength while cutting out the unneeded weight.

Glen Davis should followed suit and lost the weight. He'd be a much better player without all that excess padding.

Yeah the fact is that BBD needs to lose about 55 pounds and then lets see if he plays the game a little better...he should lose the weight and give himself a chance at least....he can always gain it back if need be!!

[MBunge]

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

No, not at all...for all of Paul's antics off the floor, he was still very productive on the floor during that series, obviously outside of the 1 game suspension in that series.

Sure, except for the years of hogging the ball and chucking bad jump shots (sounds familiar?).

Do you just like being argumentative or do you owe Big Baby money or something?  If you want to obstinately deflect all perfectly reasonable criticism of Baby, that's one thing.  When you start saying "Well, Paul Pierce was just as bad!", you've gone completely off the deep end.

Baby has played extremely well at times.  He played extremely well at times this past season.  There have been times when he's looked like a legitimate NBA starter.  There have also been times where he hasn't just been bad, he's been atrocious, and he's never been able to play at his best for a full season.

At his worst, Pierce was still an all-star level talent with bad habits.  At his best, Baby is a short power forward who can't jump and has to be at or near his best to be a productive NBA player.

Mike

[soap07]

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

No, not at all...for all of Paul's antics off the floor, he was still very productive on the floor during that series, obviously outside of the 1 game suspension in that series.

Sure, except for the years of hogging the ball and chucking bad jump shots (sounds familiar?).

It doesn't sound familiar at all. What are you talking about?

[gar]

He has videos of him chowing down on a pill of pancakes loaded with syrup and bragging how this is how he does it. This is how he loads up before a workout. Carbo loading is one thing. BBD takes it to a new level. This is not the diet he was on when he can to the C's and he complained about being turned into a rabitt with all the fruits and veggies they were making him eat.

[EJPLAYA]

If you can't see that BBD has put on 25+ lbs of fat this season then you are either not paying attention, or not willing to be honest about it.

Or, of course, there is the other possible option: that you're wrong.

He is clearly fatter than he was. There are reports he fired his personal trainer which helps explain why.

There are also reports that he is complying with the weight clause in his contract. Go figure.

He has become slower to rotate on defense which is why you rarely saw him draw a charge later in the season and playoffs. He has no lift to his jumper which helps explain his big slide in shooting from the outside. He also regressed in rebounding after making a small stride forward to mediocre, slipping back to awful.

And he was also playing with an injury, which likewise helps to explain all of the above.

Just like I can look in the mirror and at photos and know that I have put on weight, so can all the rest of us look at BBD and know that is the case with him as well.

I typically look at the scales. But then again, that's probably because I'm not willing to be honest about it.

Saying "prove it" or "no he didn't" doesn't help your case. I think you'd rather change the argument away from his play though because no one can defend that.

My case is that you don't know whether he gained weight (and no, citing the crackpot theories of Tommy H. doesn't count as "knowing"). You may think that he looks like he did, but there are other just as likely explanations.

Awful and he has worn out his welcome both on and off the floor.

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

This is exactly what I am talking about. You’re not discounting the facts, rather changing the discussion. Saying “ No he’s not” does not make you correct. What’s the other possible explanation for him looking 25+ lbs heavier than he was earlier in the year? He’s wearing a fat suit out there?!

BBD can chuck jumpers because PP does at times?!

No point whatsoever in discussing this with you because you are not interested in admitting the truth about the situation. EVERYONE knows BBD is fatter. EVERYONE knows he isn’t playing anywhere close to the level he did last season. EVERYONE knows that he is being a disruption off the floor. EVERYONE knows he hurts that second unit more often than not. EVERYONE also knows he doesn’t even play good defense like he used to. YOU just refuse to be serious about the discussion. Then you try and change the subject.

Here is what is clear. We have an undersized fat PF who can’t jump, has short arms, can’t rebound, can’t score with any consistency, can’t block shots, can’t shoot from the outside, can’t finish under the rim, and who is now too pudgy to be able to rotate quickly enough to play help defense. To top it off he is a chemistry concern with his public whining about his “role”. You really defending this guy?! WOW! 

[17wasEZ]

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

No, not at all...for all of Paul's antics off the floor, he was still very productive on the floor during that series, obviously outside of the 1 game suspension in that series.

Sure, except for the years of hogging the ball and chucking bad jump shots (sounds familiar?).

Do you just like being argumentative or do you owe Big Baby money or something?  If you want to obstinately deflect all perfectly reasonable criticism of Baby, that's one thing.  When you start saying "Well, Paul Pierce was just as bad!", you've gone completely off the deep end.

Baby has played extremely well at times.  He played extremely well at times this past season.  There have been times when he's looked like a legitimate NBA starter.  There have also been times where he hasn't just been bad, he's been atrocious, and he's never been able to play at his best for a full season.

At his worst, Pierce was still an all-star level talent with bad habits.  At his best, Baby is a short power forward who can't jump and has to be at or near his best to be a productive NBA player.

Mike

Honesty like that will earn you a TP pal!  I feel the same way about BBD except that I would like for him to stick around if he can keep his weight under control.  Maybe he should keep making videos of himself doing the Dougie to get lean.

[17wasEZ]

If you can't see that BBD has put on 25+ lbs of fat this season then you are either not paying attention, or not willing to be honest about it.

Or, of course, there is the other possible option: that you're wrong.

He is clearly fatter than he was. There are reports he fired his personal trainer which helps explain why.

There are also reports that he is complying with the weight clause in his contract. Go figure.

He has become slower to rotate on defense which is why you rarely saw him draw a charge later in the season and playoffs. He has no lift to his jumper which helps explain his big slide in shooting from the outside. He also regressed in rebounding after making a small stride forward to mediocre, slipping back to awful.

And he was also playing with an injury, which likewise helps to explain all of the above.

Just like I can look in the mirror and at photos and know that I have put on weight, so can all the rest of us look at BBD and know that is the case with him as well.

I typically look at the scales. But then again, that's probably because I'm not willing to be honest about it.

Saying "prove it" or "no he didn't" doesn't help your case. I think you'd rather change the argument away from his play though because no one can defend that.

My case is that you don't know whether he gained weight (and no, citing the crackpot theories of Tommy H. doesn't count as "knowing"). You may think that he looks like he did, but there are other just as likely explanations.

Awful and he has worn out his welcome both on and off the floor.

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

This is exactly what I am talking about. You’re not discounting the facts, rather changing the discussion. Saying “ No he’s not” does not make you correct. What’s the other possible explanation for him looking 25+ lbs heavier than he was earlier in the year? He’s wearing a fat suit out there?!

BBD can chuck jumpers because PP does at times?!

No point whatsoever in discussing this with you because you are not interested in admitting the truth about the situation. EVERYONE knows BBD is fatter. EVERYONE knows he isn’t playing anywhere close to the level he did last season. EVERYONE knows that he is being a disruption off the floor. EVERYONE knows he hurts that second unit more often than not. EVERYONE also knows he doesn’t even play good defense like he used to. YOU just refuse to be serious about the discussion. Then you try and change the subject.

Here is what is clear. We have an undersized fat PF who can’t jump, has short arms, can’t rebound, can’t score with any consistency, can’t block shots, can’t shoot from the outside, can’t finish under the rim, and who is now too pudgy to be able to rotate quickly enough to play help defense. To top it off he is a chemistry concern with his public whining about his “role”. You really defending this guy?! WOW! 

Lol! How do you really feel?

Btw, don't let anyone bother you.  Some people are tacticians, some people are annoyances, and some people are both.

I'm sure we have all fit into those categories from time to time.

[kozlodoev]

This is exactly what I am talking about. You’re not discounting the facts, rather changing the discussion. Saying “ No he’s not” does not make you correct. What’s the other possible explanation for him looking 25+ lbs heavier than he was earlier in the year? He’s wearing a fat suit out there?!

And the fact that he looks 25 lbs heavier to you doesn't make you right either.  He doesn't look 25 lbs heavier to me, and Ainge is on the record saying that Davis is not in violation of his weight clause.

BBD can chuck jumpers because PP does at times?!

You seem to have missed the point. And the point is quite simple -- just because someone played below par for half a season doesn't somehow magically make all the positive contributions they made in their career disappear.

No point whatsoever in discussing this with you because you are not interested in admitting the truth about the situation.

If you mean I refuse to agree with your opinion -- yes, I do.

EVERYONE knows BBD is fatter. EVERYONE knows he isn’t playing anywhere close to the level he did last season. EVERYONE knows that he is being a disruption off the floor. EVERYONE knows he hurts that second unit more often than not. EVERYONE also knows he doesn’t even play good defense like he used to. YOU just refuse to be serious about the discussion. Then you try and change the subject.

The fact that you think _everyone_ knows something is not a conclusive proof of its truth. Sorry.

Here is what is clear. We have an undersized fat PF who can’t jump, has short arms, can’t rebound, can’t score with any consistency, can’t block shots, can’t shoot from the outside, can’t finish under the rim, and who is now too pudgy to be able to rotate quickly enough to play help defense. To top it off he is a chemistry concern with his public whining about his “role”. You really defending this guy?! WOW!  

That may be clear to you. Let's just say I'm more complicated, and leave it at that. It seems the interest not to discuss this anymore is mutual.

[kozlodoev]

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

No, not at all...for all of Paul's antics off the floor, he was still very productive on the floor during that series, obviously outside of the 1 game suspension in that series.

Sure, except for the years of hogging the ball and chucking bad jump shots (sounds familiar?).

Do you just like being argumentative or do you owe Big Baby money or something?  If you want to obstinately deflect all perfectly reasonable criticism of Baby, that's one thing.  When you start saying "Well, Paul Pierce was just as bad!", you've gone completely off the deep end.

Baby has played extremely well at times.  He played extremely well at times this past season.  There have been times when he's looked like a legitimate NBA starter.  There have also been times where he hasn't just been bad, he's been atrocious, and he's never been able to play at his best for a full season.

At his worst, Pierce was still an all-star level talent with bad habits.  At his best, Baby is a short power forward who can't jump and has to be at or near his best to be a productive NBA player.

Mike

Let's just say that if was willing to throw every guy under the bus after an extended streak of bad games, then I'd have no-one to root for.

Glen Davis is what he is at this point -- and that's not what most people in this thread are trying to make him look like.

[Interceptor]

And the fact that he looks 25 lbs heavier to you doesn't make you right either.  He doesn't look 25 lbs heavier to me, and Ainge is on the record saying that Davis is not in violation of his weight clause.

That's kind of a non sequitur, considering that the details of BBD's weight clause aren't widely known.  If the threshold is high enough that 20-25 lbs. wouldn't bother it, BBD can simultaneously get fatter and still avoid violation on weighing dates.

[MBunge]

Sure. Sounds like Paul Pierce after that Indiana series, for example. Doesn't it?

No, not at all...for all of Paul's antics off the floor, he was still very productive on the floor during that series, obviously outside of the 1 game suspension in that series.

Sure, except for the years of hogging the ball and chucking bad jump shots (sounds familiar?).

Do you just like being argumentative or do you owe Big Baby money or something?  If you want to obstinately deflect all perfectly reasonable criticism of Baby, that's one thing.  When you start saying "Well, Paul Pierce was just as bad!", you've gone completely off the deep end.

Baby has played extremely well at times.  He played extremely well at times this past season.  There have been times when he's looked like a legitimate NBA starter.  There have also been times where he hasn't just been bad, he's been atrocious, and he's never been able to play at his best for a full season.

At his worst, Pierce was still an all-star level talent with bad habits.  At his best, Baby is a short power forward who can't jump and has to be at or near his best to be a productive NBA player.

Mike

Let's just say that if was willing to throw every guy under the bus after an extended streak of bad games, then I'd have no-one to root for.

Glen Davis is what he is at this point -- and that's not what most people in this thread are trying to make him look like.

We're not talking about a stretch of bad games.  We're talking about a guy who played very well in December and January of this season and played the best ball of his career in the 08-09 playoffs.  He's NEVER been able to sustain that playoff-level production at any time since and in the last two seasons has really shown some awful on-court habits at times.

To bring Haslem back into the discussion, his career averages are 10 pts, 8.1 rebs and 50% shooting.  Baby's career averages are 7.6 pts, 4.1 rebs and 45% shooting.  He's shown flashes, but you seem to think Baby is a different player that what he really is.

Mike