Thunder turmoil, Rajon for Russell anyone?

[barefacedmonk]

The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

2011:

Rondo: 4.3 attempts at the rim per game
Westbrook: 6.8 attempts at the rim per game
Rose: 6.3 attempts at the rim per game
CP3: 2.1 attempts at the rim per game
DWill: 4.3 in Utah and 3.8 in NJ.

[CelticG1]

I love how people keep talking about the big 3.....ummmm don't 2 of those 3 have contracts that are up next season??

Stop thinking about pleasing the big 3. In all likely hood our team will need to undergo a drastic change in order to compete for a champiionship

Unless of course:
a. the big 3 all maintain their career years that they had this year
b.Shaq and JO are healthy and productive for the playoffs
c. Rondo plays like he did the 1st month of the season AKA out of his mind
d. Baby, Green, and Delonte all making major contributions

[CelticG1]

The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

2011:

Rondo: 4.3 attempts at the rim per game
Westbrook: 6.8 attempts at the rim per game
Rose: 6.3 attempts at the rim per game
CP3: 2.1 attempts at the rim per game
DWill: 4.3 in Utah and 3.8 in NJ.

So Rondo attempts a lot of lay ups? ahhh yeah thats his only offensive move

[ejk3489]

The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

2011:

Rondo: 4.3 attempts at the rim per game
Westbrook: 6.8 attempts at the rim per game
Rose: 6.3 attempts at the rim per game
CP3: 2.1 attempts at the rim per game
DWill: 4.3 in Utah and 3.8 in NJ.

So Rondo attempts a lot of lay ups? ahhh yeah thats his only offensive move

I don't get why people act like lay ups are a such a bad thing. Wouldn't you rather have a player attempt a higher % shot rather than a jump shot?

[BballTim]

The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

2011:

Rondo: 4.3 attempts at the rim per game
Westbrook: 6.8 attempts at the rim per game
Rose: 6.3 attempts at the rim per game
CP3: 2.1 attempts at the rim per game
DWill: 4.3 in Utah and 3.8 in NJ.

  In the playoffs against the Heat Rondo got to the rim about as often as Wade or James.

[barefacedmonk]

The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

2011:

Rondo: 4.3 attempts at the rim per game
Westbrook: 6.8 attempts at the rim per game
Rose: 6.3 attempts at the rim per game
CP3: 2.1 attempts at the rim per game
DWill: 4.3 in Utah and 3.8 in NJ.

So Rondo attempts a lot of lay ups? ahhh yeah thats his only offensive move

I don't get why people act like lay ups are a such a bad thing. Wouldn't you rather have a player attempt a higher % shot rather than a jump shot?

TP. I would rather have Rondo than a chucker like Westbrook.

[BballTim]

Rondo shoots free throws and 3ptrs worse than any starting point guard in the entire league. Could some of you Rondo supporters explain to my why a point guard doenst need to be able to shoot.

  One thing that many people do is consider Rondo's total impact on the game. Everyone knows Rondo isn't a good foul shooter. Everyone knows he's not a great outside shooter. What many people (not necessarily you) also know is that he does a lot of things as well or better than anyone else in the league, and that those things also impact the game.

  Rondo's the best (or arguably the best) in the league at, in no particular order, defense, passing, running an offense, rebounding, and getting to the hoop/finishing. All of these things have a positive impact on a game, some more than others. For instance, his passing and ability to run the offense generally make more of an impact on the game than his shooting woes.

  

Rondo is not one of the best point guards at getting to the rim and finishing.

How so? Among point guards who play 30+ minutes a game, only Udrih, Nash, Miller, Arenas, Parker, and Lowry have a better FG% at the rim than Rondo. The league average is 60.2% and Rondo shoots 63.1%.

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2011&gp=0&mins=30

Again I ask, how is he not one of the best point guards at finishing?

Rondo had trouble getting to the rim period. Perkins was one of the tops in the league field goal percentage wise for the past few years. Does that mean he is great at getting to the rim and finishing?


The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

  Rondo scores in traffic all the time. He's probably close to the best in the game at finishing with his off hand.

[CelticG1]

The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

2011:

Rondo: 4.3 attempts at the rim per game
Westbrook: 6.8 attempts at the rim per game
Rose: 6.3 attempts at the rim per game
CP3: 2.1 attempts at the rim per game
DWill: 4.3 in Utah and 3.8 in NJ.

So Rondo attempts a lot of lay ups? ahhh yeah thats his only offensive move

I don't get why people act like lay ups are a such a bad thing. Wouldn't you rather have a player attempt a higher % shot rather than a jump shot?

I guess this stat is just meaningless to me. I didn't say lay ups are a bad thing I said it is Rondo's only offensive move so seeing that rondo ATTEMPTS 4 lay ups a game doesn't exactly make me jump out of my seat.

And considering he only makes half the free throws when he gets fouled at the rim  that partially negates his great ability to get to the rim no?

[CelticG1]

The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

2011:

Rondo: 4.3 attempts at the rim per game
Westbrook: 6.8 attempts at the rim per game
Rose: 6.3 attempts at the rim per game
CP3: 2.1 attempts at the rim per game
DWill: 4.3 in Utah and 3.8 in NJ.

So Rondo attempts a lot of lay ups? ahhh yeah thats his only offensive move

I don't get why people act like lay ups are a such a bad thing. Wouldn't you rather have a player attempt a higher % shot rather than a jump shot?

TP. I would rather have Rondo than a chucker like Westbrook.

Well the biggest chucker in the game won the MVP so Westbrook has hope.

Seriously I don't get all this trashing on Westbrook. If KD wants the ball he should go get it and stop shying away. You think Pierce or Jordan or Kobe would let that happen? No. Maybe Lebron would though

[OsirusCeltics]

That game 3 Mavs-Thunder is a perfect exact example of why I don't want him on the Celtics

He has a 2 guard mentality

[ElChe]

Are you crazy? To trade Rondo for Westbrook, for one of the most selfish players in NBA? Give me a break........

[LeoMoreno]

Yo anyone thought we should just buy Oklahoma City Thunder franchise and put Westbrook and Durant on our bench? We get Nate and Perk back! And Harden!
We need bench, not first team, apart from maybe a C. Anyone who proposes a trade including our first team is on a level of a 10 year old. Mentally or physically, or both.

[Moranis]

Russell Westbrook's career AST% is 36.4%, Rondo's is 38%.

RW's career TOV% is 16.6%, RR's is 19.7%.

How about career totals?

RW - 17.8 p, 7.1 a, 4.8 r, 1.5 s, 3.5 t
RR - 10.7 p, 7.6 a, 4.4 r, 1.9 s, 2.5 t

Westbrook is better then Rondo right now and he is getting better at a greater rate then Rondo. 

[BballTim]

Russell Westbrook's career AST% is 36.4%, Rondo's is 38%.

RW's career TOV% is 16.6%, RR's is 19.7%.

How about career totals?

RW - 17.8 p, 7.1 a, 4.8 r, 1.5 s, 3.5 t
RR - 10.7 p, 7.6 a, 4.4 r, 1.9 s, 2.5 t

Westbrook is better then Rondo right now and he is getting better at a greater rate then Rondo. 

  There are other ways to measure point guards than individual stats. For instance, the Celts score more, have a higher fg% and a higher percentage of assisted baskets with Rondo playing, the Thunder score fewer points, have a lower fg% and have fewer assisted baskets with Westbrook playing. You hear the phrase thrown around a lot for no apparent reason, but Rondo actually *does* make those around him better, Westbrook not so much.

[KGs Knee]

Westbrook seems to lack court vision.  He passes the ball well, when he actually does pass it.  Definitely not smart to keep chucking shots and not get the ball to Durant.

That said, Durant not going and getting the ball himself was dissappointing.  Durant still has a lot to learn about being the team leader and best offensive waepon.  He allows himself to be taken out of the game too easily.