Thunder turmoil, Rajon for Russell anyone?

[scaryjerry]

No thanks

and this supposed thunder turmoil is laughable

[mc34]

First thing, Westbrook is NOT Rose, even if Westbrook was the best player on his team he wouldn't be as good as Rose. Rose has a more consistent mid-range shot (and game in general), is a better defender, and a much better passer. Westbrook also happens to lead the league in turnovers. If there's anyone on the Thunder I'd try to pull off a trade for (aside from Durant) it would be Harden. Star in the making, mark my words

[FatjohnReturns]

The idea the Thunder would trade Westbrook for Rondo is laughable. Someone even mentioned that they would need to give up Ibaka also is pure Celticsblog homerism.

Rondo shoots free throws and 3ptrs worse than any starting point guard in the entire league. Could some of you Rondo supporters explain to my why a point guard doenst need to be able to shoot. When Rondos slows downs physically he will be worse than medicore and he will slow down. He is small and he goes crashing to the floor. We saw already how his injuries slowed him down this year and he is young. Wait and see in another 4 yearrs.


 

[Change]

First thing, Westbrook is NOT Rose, even if Westbrook was the best player on his team he wouldn't be as good as Rose. Rose has a more consistent mid-range shot (and game in general), is a better defender, and a much better passer. Westbrook also happens to lead the league in turnovers. If there's anyone on the Thunder I'd try to pull off a trade for (aside from Durant) it would be Harden. Star in the making, mark my words

lol wrong, wrong, wrong.. Westbrook is an elite rebounder and defender in the NBA. He has great nose for the ball applying full court pressure and forcing turnovers. Rose at best is average to blow average in the two categories. Rose rallies mostly on team team. Westbrook ranked 8th in assists; Rose ranked 10th. The high Turnovers is because Russ is learning the position. Russ was a Shooting guard coming into the NBA. Differential between the two is minuscule 0.5 TO.  

[Roy H.]

I think this trade would make both teams worse, frankly.

OKC needs Westbrook to help carry a starting lineup that contains poor scoring threats in Perkins and Sefolosha.  I don't think Rondo has the pure scoring ability that Westbrook does, which is what OKC needs.

At the same time, Rondo has better court vision, passing skills, and insticts than Westbrook does.  I think he's better on our current team, and I think he'll be better directing a balanced offense.

[Brendan]

I assume if this trade went through OKC moves Harden into the starting lineup?

As for the idea of Ibaka being thrown in - I think OKC is pretty high on him, if they actually did that DA would say yes in a second. Move KG to C and play Ibaka at PF. Perfect.

Westbrook isn't as gifted a passer, but his offense keeps the D honest. I think he'd do fine here, the big 3 are at a point where they need a bit less offensive focus.

[GreenEnvy]

I think this trade would make both teams worse, frankly.

OKC needs Westbrook to help carry a starting lineup that contains poor scoring threats in Perkins and Sefolosha.  I don't think Rondo has the pure scoring ability that Westbrook does, which is what OKC needs.

At the same time, Rondo has better court vision, passing skills, and insticts than Westbrook does.  I think he's better on our current team, and I think he'll be better directing a balanced offense.

I disagree (about Rondo on OKC). Perk worked fine with Rondo, and I think that's part of the reason he hasn't look as good with OKC. A PG who can (and will) find his big when he loses his defender is not what Westbrook is about.

Sefolosha can easily replaced for a standard spot-up shooter. Those guys aren't that hard to find. Sefolosha can fill the TA role off the bench and be more of a defensive stopper. The shooter will get easy shots from Rondo and when Durant gets doubled. That can also keep Harden coming off the bench.

At times he may make life harder for Durant, but not nearly as much as he will make his life easier with his pinpoint accuracy and timing.


But I don't think Westbrook is right for us. Despite his high assist totals, he seems like a guy that will play "hero ball" too much. Our biggest strength is our balanced offense and adding a shoot-first player at any position is not what we need. The Big Three are all ready, willing and able to put up a shot if it's there. But they are also very unselfish and will not force up too many bad shots. I don't think Westbrook fits that mold.

[CoachBo]

Westbrook is a 1 in progress. He'd be a top quality 2.

Like everyone else on the Thunder starting 5, he doesn't guard anyone.

Not interested in this one.

[BballTim]

Rondo shoots free throws and 3ptrs worse than any starting point guard in the entire league. Could some of you Rondo supporters explain to my why a point guard doenst need to be able to shoot.

  One thing that many people do is consider Rondo's total impact on the game. Everyone knows Rondo isn't a good foul shooter. Everyone knows he's not a great outside shooter. What many people (not necessarily you) also know is that he does a lot of things as well or better than anyone else in the league, and that those things also impact the game.

  Rondo's the best (or arguably the best) in the league at, in no particular order, defense, passing, running an offense, rebounding, and getting to the hoop/finishing. All of these things have a positive impact on a game, some more than others. For instance, his passing and ability to run the offense generally make more of an impact on the game than his shooting woes.

  

[KungPoweChicken]

Rondo shoots free throws and 3ptrs worse than any starting point guard in the entire league. Could some of you Rondo supporters explain to my why a point guard doenst need to be able to shoot.

  One thing that many people do is consider Rondo's total impact on the game. Everyone knows Rondo isn't a good foul shooter. Everyone knows he's not a great outside shooter. What many people (not necessarily you) also know is that he does a lot of things as well or better than anyone else in the league, and that those things also impact the game.

  Rondo's the best (or arguably the best) in the league at, in no particular order, defense, passing, running an offense, rebounding, and getting to the hoop/finishing. All of these things have a positive impact on a game, some more than others. For instance, his passing and ability to run the offense generally make more of an impact on the game than his shooting woes.

  

Rondo is not one of the best point guards at getting to the rim and finishing.

[KungPoweChicken]

Westbrook is a 1 in progress. He'd be a top quality 2.

Like everyone else on the Thunder starting 5, he doesn't guard anyone.

Not interested in this one.

How could no one in the Thunder starting five not guard anyone, yet be in the conference finals?

[ejk3489]

Rondo shoots free throws and 3ptrs worse than any starting point guard in the entire league. Could some of you Rondo supporters explain to my why a point guard doenst need to be able to shoot.

  One thing that many people do is consider Rondo's total impact on the game. Everyone knows Rondo isn't a good foul shooter. Everyone knows he's not a great outside shooter. What many people (not necessarily you) also know is that he does a lot of things as well or better than anyone else in the league, and that those things also impact the game.

  Rondo's the best (or arguably the best) in the league at, in no particular order, defense, passing, running an offense, rebounding, and getting to the hoop/finishing. All of these things have a positive impact on a game, some more than others. For instance, his passing and ability to run the offense generally make more of an impact on the game than his shooting woes.

  

Rondo is not one of the best point guards at getting to the rim and finishing.

How so? Among point guards who play 30+ minutes a game, only Udrih, Nash, Miller, Arenas, Parker, and Lowry have a better FG% at the rim than Rondo. The league average is 60.2% and Rondo shoots 63.1%.

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2011&gp=0&mins=30

Again I ask, how is he not one of the best point guards at finishing?

[KungPoweChicken]

Rondo shoots free throws and 3ptrs worse than any starting point guard in the entire league. Could some of you Rondo supporters explain to my why a point guard doenst need to be able to shoot.

  One thing that many people do is consider Rondo's total impact on the game. Everyone knows Rondo isn't a good foul shooter. Everyone knows he's not a great outside shooter. What many people (not necessarily you) also know is that he does a lot of things as well or better than anyone else in the league, and that those things also impact the game.

  Rondo's the best (or arguably the best) in the league at, in no particular order, defense, passing, running an offense, rebounding, and getting to the hoop/finishing. All of these things have a positive impact on a game, some more than others. For instance, his passing and ability to run the offense generally make more of an impact on the game than his shooting woes.

  

Rondo is not one of the best point guards at getting to the rim and finishing.

How so? Among point guards who play 30+ minutes a game, only Udrih, Nash, Miller, Arenas, Parker, and Lowry have a better FG% at the rim than Rondo. The league average is 60.2% and Rondo shoots 63.1%.

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2011&gp=0&mins=30

Again I ask, how is he not one of the best point guards at finishing?

Rondo had trouble getting to the rim period. Perkins was one of the tops in the league field goal percentage wise for the past few years. Does that mean he is great at getting to the rim and finishing?


The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

[Change]

Rondo shoots free throws and 3ptrs worse than any starting point guard in the entire league. Could some of you Rondo supporters explain to my why a point guard doenst need to be able to shoot.

  One thing that many people do is consider Rondo's total impact on the game. Everyone knows Rondo isn't a good foul shooter. Everyone knows he's not a great outside shooter. What many people (not necessarily you) also know is that he does a lot of things as well or better than anyone else in the league, and that those things also impact the game.

  Rondo's the best (or arguably the best) in the league at, in no particular order, defense, passing, running an offense, rebounding, and getting to the hoop/finishing. All of these things have a positive impact on a game, some more than others. For instance, his passing and ability to run the offense generally make more of an impact on the game than his shooting woes.

  

Rondo is not one of the best point guards at getting to the rim and finishing.

The old Rondo used to drive at will. But now he is more hesitant and settles from the outside rather than get embarrassed at the Free-throw line throwing up bricks. To become a complete player Rondo MUST I reiterate MUST improve his Free-Throw Percentage by 30% at least to 80%.

[ejk3489]

Rondo shoots free throws and 3ptrs worse than any starting point guard in the entire league. Could some of you Rondo supporters explain to my why a point guard doenst need to be able to shoot.

  One thing that many people do is consider Rondo's total impact on the game. Everyone knows Rondo isn't a good foul shooter. Everyone knows he's not a great outside shooter. What many people (not necessarily you) also know is that he does a lot of things as well or better than anyone else in the league, and that those things also impact the game.

  Rondo's the best (or arguably the best) in the league at, in no particular order, defense, passing, running an offense, rebounding, and getting to the hoop/finishing. All of these things have a positive impact on a game, some more than others. For instance, his passing and ability to run the offense generally make more of an impact on the game than his shooting woes.

  

Rondo is not one of the best point guards at getting to the rim and finishing.

How so? Among point guards who play 30+ minutes a game, only Udrih, Nash, Miller, Arenas, Parker, and Lowry have a better FG% at the rim than Rondo. The league average is 60.2% and Rondo shoots 63.1%.

http://www.hoopdata.com/shotstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2011&gp=0&mins=30

Again I ask, how is he not one of the best point guards at finishing?

Rondo had trouble getting to the rim period. Perkins was one of the tops in the league field goal percentage wise for the past few years. Does that mean he is great at getting to the rim and finishing?


The point is, when you only go to the rim when you're wide open (thus finishing a high percentage), you are a limited player, which Rondo is.

I'll agree that he finishes decently (the stats back it up). But I completely disagree that he is a top point guard at getting to the rim.

I was only talking about finishing at the rim...I agree that this year he went to the basket less than most years, but I thought a lot of that had to do with injuries more than anything else.

I mean, he's not as good as Rose or Westbrook at getting to the rim, but I still think he's pretty good at full strength.