Trade idea Rajon for Ben Gordon

[BASS_THUMPER]

i hope u ment eric gordan

he do got game tho

[KungPoweChicken]

Rondo's value is way overrated on this board. Rondo for Gordon is actually a fair trade. I don't know if I would do it, but it is a fair trade value wise.

I don't think I've ever been flabbergasted on a comment involving the Celtics since someone on the ESPN.com forums claimed JR Smith was a better shooter than Ray Allen.

I will give you 20 TPs if you claim that on the Celtics board over at ESPN.com. The hilarity that would ensue would be well worth it.

Heck, post this on ANY Lakers board. Everyone and their mom thinks trading Perk was a bad idea? Tell them we'd trade Rondo for Ben freaking Gordon. AND claim it's fair trade value. I'm trying to hold myself back from falling on the floor laughing.

Fair trade value? Russell Westbrook is fair trade value, to answer your later proposed question. I don't know if I'd do it in a heartbeat, I don't even know if the Thunder would do it, but if you want fair trade value for Rondo, I think Westbrook fits the bill.

But Ben Gordon? I'm also starting to think Rondo raped your GF/held you at gunpoint/sent BBD to eat your dinner. That's all-time hate.

Let me repeat that. ALL-TIME hate.

Yeah, I don't think the Thunder would ever trade Westbrook for Rondo. I don't consider that fair value for the Thunder. Westbrook is a better player, and Westbrook has a necessary job on that team Rondo could never do.

These are some of Ben Gordon's career stats:

PPG: 17

FT%: 86

3pt%: 40

FG% .435

Played more than 80 games in a season 5 out of 7 times.



Ben Gordon is a very, very solid player. You can laugh all you want about the trade, but that doesn't make him any less of a player.



You said you were flabbergasted by me saying this was fair value trade. I'm flabbergasted by people saying Westbrook and Chris Paul for Rondo straight up are fair value trades. That's more absurd than the Ben Gordon idea.

Why just post his scoring stats? Why not post all of his mediocre stats?

PPG: 17

FT%: 86

3pt%: 40

FG% .435

Assists: 2.8

Rebounds: 2.8

Steals: .8

No defensive ability to speak of, and can't even crack the roster on a team going nowhere in Detroit.

On the contrary, there's Rondo:

PPG: 10.7

FT%: .62

3pt%: 24

FG% .486

Assists: 7.6

Rebounds: 4.4

Steals: 2

2x All-Star, 2x 1st Team all Defense, 1x 2nd team all defense.  Logs 37mins per game on a playoff team.

I mean really, if Rondo was such a terrible player and a detriment to this team - why is he here and why does he play huge minutes for us? Why was he given a $55m contract extension?

If we offer Detroit Rondo for Gordon, 2 things would happen: 1.) Danny Ainge would be fired, without hesitation then blacklisted from participating in any basketball related activities for the rest of his life. 2.) Detroit's GM would have to name every boy born into his family from here on out Danny Ainge.

So we learned that Gordon is the far superior scorer, shooter, and free throw shooter, while Rondo is a better passer, defender, and and rebounder. It looks like we're talking about two flawed players. One is a great scorer and shooter, and the other is great passer. Yet you act like Rondo is a great player; he's not. He is a flawed player, just like Gordon is. Rondo alone has value to get you a flawed player, not an elite superstar like Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook.

Every player is flawed - Rondo has actually improved his game every year he's been in teh league, while Gordon has declined.

Oh, and btw Westbrook is not an elite superstar (talk about overvaluing). I can't remember the last time I saw an "elite superstar" sit the entire 4th qtr of close conference finals.

It's funny how you accuse everyone else of overvaluing Rondo when you're so quick to sell him short - I think a lot of people would take you a lot more seriously if you just said, "hey, I hate Rondo but here's a little rational thought to add to the debate".


Also, you didn't answer my question(s): "if Rondo was such a terrible player and a detriment to this team - why is he here? why does he play huge minutes for us? Why was he given a $55m contract extension?"

I never said he was a terrible player and a detriment to his team. Those were your words. He plays in Boston because he was drafted here, and when the Big Three came they had no money to use on a point guard. He plays big minutes for us because he is a pass first point guard, exactly what a team with three future hall of famers needed. A 55 million dollar extension is what players of Rondo's caliber make. Go on Hoopshype and see what NBA players make.


How has Rondo improved his game? He HAS NOT improved the biggest weaknesses in his game since he came into the league.

[ejk3489]

Rondo's value is way overrated on this board. Rondo for Gordon is actually a fair trade. I don't know if I would do it, but it is a fair trade value wise.

I don't think I've ever been flabbergasted on a comment involving the Celtics since someone on the ESPN.com forums claimed JR Smith was a better shooter than Ray Allen.

I will give you 20 TPs if you claim that on the Celtics board over at ESPN.com. The hilarity that would ensue would be well worth it.

Heck, post this on ANY Lakers board. Everyone and their mom thinks trading Perk was a bad idea? Tell them we'd trade Rondo for Ben freaking Gordon. AND claim it's fair trade value. I'm trying to hold myself back from falling on the floor laughing.

Fair trade value? Russell Westbrook is fair trade value, to answer your later proposed question. I don't know if I'd do it in a heartbeat, I don't even know if the Thunder would do it, but if you want fair trade value for Rondo, I think Westbrook fits the bill.

But Ben Gordon? I'm also starting to think Rondo raped your GF/held you at gunpoint/sent BBD to eat your dinner. That's all-time hate.

Let me repeat that. ALL-TIME hate.

Yeah, I don't think the Thunder would ever trade Westbrook for Rondo. I don't consider that fair value for the Thunder. Westbrook is a better player, and Westbrook has a necessary job on that team Rondo could never do.

These are some of Ben Gordon's career stats:

PPG: 17

FT%: 86

3pt%: 40

FG% .435

Played more than 80 games in a season 5 out of 7 times.



Ben Gordon is a very, very solid player. You can laugh all you want about the trade, but that doesn't make him any less of a player.



You said you were flabbergasted by me saying this was fair value trade. I'm flabbergasted by people saying Westbrook and Chris Paul for Rondo straight up are fair value trades. That's more absurd than the Ben Gordon idea.

Why just post his scoring stats? Why not post all of his mediocre stats?

PPG: 17

FT%: 86

3pt%: 40

FG% .435

Assists: 2.8

Rebounds: 2.8

Steals: .8

No defensive ability to speak of, and can't even crack the roster on a team going nowhere in Detroit.

On the contrary, there's Rondo:

PPG: 10.7

FT%: .62

3pt%: 24

FG% .486

Assists: 7.6

Rebounds: 4.4

Steals: 2

2x All-Star, 2x 1st Team all Defense, 1x 2nd team all defense.  Logs 37mins per game on a playoff team.

I mean really, if Rondo was such a terrible player and a detriment to this team - why is he here and why does he play huge minutes for us? Why was he given a $55m contract extension?

If we offer Detroit Rondo for Gordon, 2 things would happen: 1.) Danny Ainge would be fired, without hesitation then blacklisted from participating in any basketball related activities for the rest of his life. 2.) Detroit's GM would have to name every boy born into his family from here on out Danny Ainge.

So we learned that Gordon is the far superior scorer, shooter, and free throw shooter, while Rondo is a better passer, defender, and and rebounder. It looks like we're talking about two flawed players. One is a great scorer and shooter, and the other is great passer. Yet you act like Rondo is a great player; he's not. He is a flawed player, just like Gordon is. Rondo alone has value to get you a flawed player, not an elite superstar like Chris Paul or Russell Westbrook.

Since when is Westbrook considered an elite superstar? This is the same guy that was just benched in the 4th quarter of a WC Finals game tonight, right? You say Rondo couldn't do what Westbrook does for the Thunder, and I agree...Rondo would never jack up 20+ shots a night, continuously fail to pass to one of the best players in the game, and make poor decisions night after night. It's been shown that Durant plays much better with Maynor (a pass first point guard) so I see no reason why Rondo wouldn't improve their team.

[Fafnir]

How has Rondo improved his game? He HAS NOT improved the biggest weaknesses in his game since he came into the league.

He's a better shooter than when he started though he's still not a good one.

His defense, passing, ball handling, finishing, and ability to run an offense have all improved however. Those are all more important than just jump shooting for a PG, though his poor jump shooting forces him to be better in those areas to be effective.

[BballTim]

Yeah, I don't think the Thunder would ever trade Westbrook for Rondo. I don't consider that fair value for the Thunder. Westbrook is a better player, and Westbrook has a necessary job on that team Rondo could never do.

  Shoot his team out of a playoff game instead of passing the ball to Durant? You're right, I can't see Rondo doing that.

[RJ87]

Yeah, I don't think the Thunder would ever trade Westbrook for Rondo. I don't consider that fair value for the Thunder. Westbrook is a better player, and Westbrook has a necessary job on that team Rondo could never do.

  Shoot his team out of a playoff game instead of passing the ball to Durant? You're right, I can't see Rondo doing that.

OFFTOPIC FOR A SEC: It's really amazing how he doesn't get KD the ball in certain situations. Jason Kidd can't defend KD, neither can Jet. Yet somehow in those situations, Westbrook shoots a bad jumper or gets stripped trying to drive to the basket in traffic. His decision making is really appalling sometimes.

[KCattheStripe]

Yeah, I don't think the Thunder would ever trade Westbrook for Rondo. I don't consider that fair value for the Thunder. Westbrook is a better player, and Westbrook has a necessary job on that team Rondo could never do.

  Shoot his team out of a playoff game instead of passing the ball to Durant? You're right, I can't see Rondo doing that.

Riding the bench while Eric Maynor closes out crucial playoff games?

[Celtics18]

Rondo's value is way overrated on this board. Rondo for Gordon is actually a fair trade. I don't know if I would do it, but it is a fair trade value wise.

I don't care if you like Rondo or hate him, but there's no way that as a basketball fan with eyes and - I assume - average intelligence, that you can claim Ben Gordon for Rondo is a fair trade. That's just.... redonkulous.

I'm really starting to think Rondo held you up at gunpoint and stole your GF or something.

Well, give me an example. What player is equal value with Rondo? And you don't agree with my opinion; that's fine. But do we have to go at it with the ad hominem, "I assume-average intelligence."?

I just went and had a look at the Hoopshype salary site.  I couldn't find any players with equal value to Rondo.  Seriously, folks, I know I'm one of the people who gets accused of over-rating him, but there really aren't any better values than Rajon Rondo.

That's why when you look at the salaries and you are desperately looking for trade Rondo ideas, you come up with funny ones like trade Rondo for Ben Gordon.

[Tai]

Yeah, I'm not sure if you watch Coach Nick on his bballbreakdown channel, but he suggested Maynor start at PG while Westbrook starts at SG, since Maynor would distribute the ball more properly than Westbrook does. And if not that, at least have a lineup with Maynor at PG and Westbrook at SG. I guess Scott Brooks elected to go with the former but instead of the latter, just bench Westbrook altogether in the 4th quarter. The supposed 2nd best player on the team?

Clearly, Westbrook has flaws, just like Rondo.

I didn't necessarily say I'd be running in front of the Celtics' front office begging them to get it done, or that the Thunder would necessarily be interested, but that doesn't make trading Rondo for Westbrook not fair value.

At their best, both look unstoppable. At their worst, they risk seeing significant time next to their coaches, but at least sitting down. And is it ad-hominem to point out, KungPoweChicken, that you feel West should start over Rondo?

[xmuscularghandix]

  I'd rather try and win games.

Yes I agree about winning games thats why I want to trade Rondo

       

[Bahku]

Please ... no.

There is no comparison ... Gordon doesn't even approach Rondo's level, and does nothing better than Rondo ... except mediocrity.

[sdceltsfan]

this thread isn't locked up yet? 

[Juneauz]

This is ridiculous.
Rondo with only one arm is better than Gordon with two.
Somebody shut down this thread

[twinbree]

Now I know I've heard it all. Let's pick up Charlie V for Paul and Kevin while we're at it.

[2short]

Some of our posters hate rondo so much they think this makes sense.  Gordon's contract makes me think I wouldn't trade for him for delonte.

remember this trade idea when we all vote for worst idea of the year!