Minnesota looking to wheel and deal

[MVP]

I'm FOR trading Rondo now. He won't be as effective once all the hall of famers are gone and I think now is the time to trade him while his value is still high. The more cap space and young talent we put around Pierce for 2012 the better.


I would do Rubio, the #2 pick, and a future unprotected for Rondo in a heartbeat.

  So we trade Rondo and build around a past his prime Pierce?

  Are we getting rid of KG and Ray or is the plan to see them fight for the 6th or 7th seed next year?

We build around Pierce, cap space and young high end prospects/picks that can be traded.

I still think we can compete for a title without Rondo. Billups is likely an MLE guy this offseason.

  Billups is on the Knicks. Building around an aging PP is a complete waste of time.

The Knicks picked up his option for $14 million? You think they will? Not a chance. He'll be a free agent.

Building around Rondo is a waste of time.

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[BballTim]

I'm FOR trading Rondo now. He won't be as effective once all the hall of famers are gone and I think now is the time to trade him while his value is still high. The more cap space and young talent we put around Pierce for 2012 the better.


I would do Rubio, the #2 pick, and a future unprotected for Rondo in a heartbeat.

  So we trade Rondo and build around a past his prime Pierce?

  Are we getting rid of KG and Ray or is the plan to see them fight for the 6th or 7th seed next year?

We build around Pierce, cap space and young high end prospects/picks that can be traded.

I still think we can compete for a title without Rondo. Billups is likely an MLE guy this offseason.

  Billups is on the Knicks. Building around an aging PP is a complete waste of time.

The Knicks picked up his option for $14 million? You think they will? Not a chance. He'll be a free agent.

Building around Rondo is a waste of time.

  If your plan is to trade Rondo for draft picks then you can either blow things up or watch the big three try and win 45 games or so.

[JSD]

Isiah is working behind the scenes, I'm convinced.

Regardless, D. West, Rubio and another vet point/combo can keep this team a top 4 seed and in contention.

[BballTim]

Isiah is working behind the scenes, I'm convinced.

Regardless, D. West, Rubio and another vet point/combo can keep this team a top 4 seed and in contention.

  Even if you think there's a chance Delonte can remain healthy, I can't believe anyone who watched the playoffs would think we could be contenders with Delonte as our pg, or (even better) Delonte and a rookie.

[JSD]

I'm FOR trading Rondo now. He won't be as effective once all the hall of famers are gone and I think now is the time to trade him while his value is still high. The more cap space and young talent we put around Pierce for 2012 the better.


I would do Rubio, the #2 pick, and a future unprotected for Rondo in a heartbeat.

  So we trade Rondo and build around a past his prime Pierce?

  Are we getting rid of KG and Ray or is the plan to see them fight for the 6th or 7th seed next year?

We build around Pierce, cap space and young high end prospects/picks that can be traded.

I still think we can compete for a title without Rondo. Billups is likely an MLE guy this offseason.

  Billups is on the Knicks. Building around an aging PP is a complete waste of time.

The Knicks picked up his option for $14 million? You think they will? Not a chance. He'll be a free agent.

Building around Rondo is a waste of time.

  If your plan is to trade Rondo for draft picks then you can either blow things up or watch the big three try and win 45 games or so.

Yeah, what can I say? I don't buy that. His game is just too flawed. I'm in the D'Antoni camp on this one I guess.

[KungPoweChicken]

I'm FOR trading Rondo now. He won't be as effective once all the hall of famers are gone and I think now is the time to trade him while his value is still high. The more cap space and young talent we put around Pierce for 2012 the better.


I would do Rubio, the #2 pick, and a future unprotected for Rondo in a heartbeat.

The only problem is Rondo doesn't command that kind of value.

[BballTim]

I'm FOR trading Rondo now. He won't be as effective once all the hall of famers are gone and I think now is the time to trade him while his value is still high. The more cap space and young talent we put around Pierce for 2012 the better.


I would do Rubio, the #2 pick, and a future unprotected for Rondo in a heartbeat.

  So we trade Rondo and build around a past his prime Pierce?

  Are we getting rid of KG and Ray or is the plan to see them fight for the 6th or 7th seed next year?

We build around Pierce, cap space and young high end prospects/picks that can be traded.

I still think we can compete for a title without Rondo. Billups is likely an MLE guy this offseason.

  Billups is on the Knicks. Building around an aging PP is a complete waste of time.

The Knicks picked up his option for $14 million? You think they will? Not a chance. He'll be a free agent.

Building around Rondo is a waste of time.

  If your plan is to trade Rondo for draft picks then you can either blow things up or watch the big three try and win 45 games or so.

Yeah, what can I say? I don't buy that. His game is just too flawed. I'm in the D'Antoni camp on this one I guess.

  D'Antoni was saying Rondo wouldn't do as well on a bad team. Whether you agree with that or not, he wasn't saying that Rondo isn't a vital part of the Celts. How'd they look with him on the bench in the playoffs? It was pretty bleak.

[KungPoweChicken]

I think the Celtics might be able to get Rubio and Johnson for Rondo, however. I would do this deal.

[JSD]

Isiah is working behind the scenes, I'm convinced.

Regardless, D. West, Rubio and another vet point/combo can keep this team a top 4 seed and in contention.

  Even if you think there's a chance Delonte can remain healthy, I can't believe anyone who watched the playoffs would think we could be contenders with Delonte as our pg, or (even better) Delonte and a rookie.

He looked horrible, at times great. He's started for a contending team before at the 2 and played a ton of PG over there too. Hes more useful in the half court set than Rondo, that's for sure. I don't think we'll win with Rondo at PG ever again, so yeah its worth a shot to me to stack up for tomorrow.

Do you think Rondo is an all star if he was on NJ since day 1?

[JSD]

I'm FOR trading Rondo now. He won't be as effective once all the hall of famers are gone and I think now is the time to trade him while his value is still high. The more cap space and young talent we put around Pierce for 2012 the better.


I would do Rubio, the #2 pick, and a future unprotected for Rondo in a heartbeat.

  So we trade Rondo and build around a past his prime Pierce?

  Are we getting rid of KG and Ray or is the plan to see them fight for the 6th or 7th seed next year?

We build around Pierce, cap space and young high end prospects/picks that can be traded.

I still think we can compete for a title without Rondo. Billups is likely an MLE guy this offseason.

  Billups is on the Knicks. Building around an aging PP is a complete waste of time.

The Knicks picked up his option for $14 million? You think they will? Not a chance. He'll be a free agent.

Building around Rondo is a waste of time.

  If your plan is to trade Rondo for draft picks then you can either blow things up or watch the big three try and win 45 games or so.

Yeah, what can I say? I don't buy that. His game is just too flawed. I'm in the D'Antoni camp on this one I guess.

  D'Antoni was saying Rondo wouldn't do as well on a bad team. Whether you agree with that or not, he wasn't saying that Rondo isn't a vital part of the Celts. How'd they look with him on the bench in the playoffs? It was pretty bleak.

He was crediting much of Rondo's success to guys around him and I agree with his allocation of the pie.

[BballTim]

Isiah is working behind the scenes, I'm convinced.

Regardless, D. West, Rubio and another vet point/combo can keep this team a top 4 seed and in contention.

  Even if you think there's a chance Delonte can remain healthy, I can't believe anyone who watched the playoffs would think we could be contenders with Delonte as our pg, or (even better) Delonte and a rookie.

He looked horrible, at times great. He's started for a contending team before at the 2 and played a ton of PG over there too. Hes more useful in the half court set than Rondo, that's for sure. I don't think we'll win with Rondo at PG ever again, so yeah its worth a shot to me to stack up for tomorrow.

Do you think Rondo is an all star if he was on NJ since day 1?

  Delonte's not as useful in the half court as Rondo. He can shoot decently but he can't pass anywhere near as well and he can't run an offense well. If you look at the Heat series after Rondo hurt his elbow, our offense was much better with a one armed Rondo in the game than it was when he was on the bench (Delonte probably played almost all of those minutes).

  And Rondo may have been an all-star if he was on NJ. He'd still be a great passer, a great defender, a great rebounder and great at getting to the rim. He'd still make flashy plays, still be among the league leaders in steals and score more points than he usually does. He's averaged about 17 a game over the last 3 playoffs against some very good defenses. He doesn't shoot a lot but he's clearly capable of scoring.

[BballTim]

I'm FOR trading Rondo now. He won't be as effective once all the hall of famers are gone and I think now is the time to trade him while his value is still high. The more cap space and young talent we put around Pierce for 2012 the better.


I would do Rubio, the #2 pick, and a future unprotected for Rondo in a heartbeat.

  So we trade Rondo and build around a past his prime Pierce?

  Are we getting rid of KG and Ray or is the plan to see them fight for the 6th or 7th seed next year?

We build around Pierce, cap space and young high end prospects/picks that can be traded.

I still think we can compete for a title without Rondo. Billups is likely an MLE guy this offseason.

  Billups is on the Knicks. Building around an aging PP is a complete waste of time.

The Knicks picked up his option for $14 million? You think they will? Not a chance. He'll be a free agent.

Building around Rondo is a waste of time.

  If your plan is to trade Rondo for draft picks then you can either blow things up or watch the big three try and win 45 games or so.

Yeah, what can I say? I don't buy that. His game is just too flawed. I'm in the D'Antoni camp on this one I guess.

  D'Antoni was saying Rondo wouldn't do as well on a bad team. Whether you agree with that or not, he wasn't saying that Rondo isn't a vital part of the Celts. How'd they look with him on the bench in the playoffs? It was pretty bleak.

He was crediting much of Rondo's success to guys around him and I agree with his allocation of the pie.

  Yes, and you're completely undeterred by the way the team looked without him in the playoffs. Agree to disagree.

[ejk3489]

He was crediting much of Rondo's success to guys around him and I agree with his allocation of the pie.

I think it's kind of ridiculous at this point to give more credit to a 35 year old Ray/KG and a 33 year old Pierce than to Rondo himself for his success over the past two/three years. If anything, Rondo helps out the Big Three more than they help him...they look like a complete mess whenever he is out of the game.

[KungPoweChicken]

I'm FOR trading Rondo now. He won't be as effective once all the hall of famers are gone and I think now is the time to trade him while his value is still high. The more cap space and young talent we put around Pierce for 2012 the better.


I would do Rubio, the #2 pick, and a future unprotected for Rondo in a heartbeat.

  So we trade Rondo and build around a past his prime Pierce?

  Are we getting rid of KG and Ray or is the plan to see them fight for the 6th or 7th seed next year?

We build around Pierce, cap space and young high end prospects/picks that can be traded.

I still think we can compete for a title without Rondo. Billups is likely an MLE guy this offseason.

  Billups is on the Knicks. Building around an aging PP is a complete waste of time.

The Knicks picked up his option for $14 million? You think they will? Not a chance. He'll be a free agent.

Building around Rondo is a waste of time.

  If your plan is to trade Rondo for draft picks then you can either blow things up or watch the big three try and win 45 games or so.

Yeah, what can I say? I don't buy that. His game is just too flawed. I'm in the D'Antoni camp on this one I guess.

  D'Antoni was saying Rondo wouldn't do as well on a bad team. Whether you agree with that or not, he wasn't saying that Rondo isn't a vital part of the Celts. How'd they look with him on the bench in the playoffs? It was pretty bleak.

He was crediting much of Rondo's success to guys around him and I agree with his allocation of the pie.

  Yes, and you're completely undeterred by the way the team looked without him in the playoffs. Agree to disagree.

What do you mean? With an injured Rondo, Boston lost two close games. With a healthy Rondo, the Celtics weren't close to winning the first two games. I don't see your logic.

[BASS_THUMPER]

they want kg back?