State of the Celtics, on right now 7pm on Comcast Sports(Danny Ainge)

[PortCelt]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I doubt that.  I just don't think Danny has the hubris to blow up a championship team unless he felt it was necessary.  If Tony was playing Marquis' minutes, Danny wouldn't have had to tinker.

Perhaps, but Perk declined their best offer so why not get something in return knowing you were winning games with Shaq starting and Davis finishing? Unfortunately the entire training staff miscalculated Shaq's injury, and BB played out of character --settling for long jumpers (nearly 5 attempts/ game, 35% 16-23ft) instead of rebounding and taking those charges.

On sheer value Danny probably regrets TA's departure more than tinkering with the 5 spot. After all Perk rarely finshed games and perimter defense is vital in crunch time. But equally important will be to address the lack of consistent creators who don't depend on screen rolls and down screens because as long as Rondo continues to brick from the field PP remains the only option.

[Marcus13]

He wouldn't even go strong to the basket.  He would go right to the hoop and if there was a defender in the area he would avoid contact at all costs and blow the finish.

Zero athleticism.  Zero pride.  Zero potential.

[rondohondo]

He wouldn't even go strong to the basket.  He would go right to the hoop and if there was a defender in the area he would avoid contact at all costs and blow the finish.

Zero athleticism.  Zero pride.  Zero potential.

wow I can't even take you seriously with posts like that, try being realistic instead of hating on Green because the c's didn't win the championship and your boy Perk ( talk about athleticism) with his 9 mil dollar cap killing deal is gone.

[Marcus13]

He wouldn't even go strong to the basket.  He would go right to the hoop and if there was a defender in the area he would avoid contact at all costs and blow the finish.

Zero athleticism.  Zero pride.  Zero potential.

wow I can't even take you seriously with posts like that, try being realistic instead of hating on Green because the c's didn't win the championship and your boy Perk ( talk about athleticism) with his 9 mil dollar cap killing deal is gone.

We wouldn't have beat Miami without making the trade either but we got nothing in return for him.  Jeff Green is simply a end-of-the-bench player and everyone outside of the Celtics fan base knows it.  It's amazing how OKC elevated there game after ditching his ass and we got worse when we acquired him, go figure.

I dont need you to take me seriously, the other 29 teams fan base all know it's true

[rondohondo]

He wouldn't even go strong to the basket.  He would go right to the hoop and if there was a defender in the area he would avoid contact at all costs and blow the finish.

Zero athleticism.  Zero pride.  Zero potential.

wow I can't even take you seriously with posts like that, try being realistic instead of hating on Green because the c's didn't win the championship and your boy Perk ( talk about athleticism) with his 9 mil dollar cap killing deal is gone.

We wouldn't have beat Miami without making the trade either but we got nothing in return for him.  Jeff Green is simply a end-of-the-bench player and everyone outside of the Celtics fan base knows it.  It's amazing how OKC elevated there game after ditching his ass and we got worse when we acquired him, go figure.

I dont need you to take me seriously, the other 29 teams fan base all know it's true

Jeff Green isn't the # 1 option on a championship team, anyone who was expecting that is just not being realistic, but the stats prove he was a very efficient scorer at the SF position. He also played very physical defense on Lebron for most of the Heat series, you can't expect him to completely shut down the best player in the league

These expectations are crazy, green could easily be the 3rd or 4th best player on a championship team if he is playing his natural position (SF) for the majority of his mins.

That's why Danny and Doc have been talking about possibly bringing PP off the bench. Jeff Green is not the kind of player that can carry an offense as the #1 option. Moving him into the starting lineup would allow him to play off of 3 other all-stars in Rondo,KG and Ray. Green would provide that starting lineup with a post up game they sorely lack.

PP on the other hand can carry an offense, that's why he would be so great as a 6th man. The C's have lost in the playoffs the last few years because of the offense going into drought at the end of game 7 in LA and at the end of games 4 and 5 against Miami. PP could lead the second unit and stay fresh, while the young , quick, athletic Green can get starters mins with starters

[vinnie]

Read Kelly Dwyer's piece about Green and his alleged offensive efficiency in the playoff.
Not very good.

[xmuscularghandix]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I doubt that.  I just don't think Danny has the hubris to blow up a championship team unless he felt it was necessary.  If Tony was playing Marquis' minutes, Danny wouldn't have had to tinker.

But he still could have felt the need to get better for the future. Kendrick Perkins wasn't going to be resigned... so who know's what he would've done.

[nickagneta]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I doubt that.  I just don't think Danny has the hubris to blow up a championship team unless he felt it was necessary.  If Tony was playing Marquis' minutes, Danny wouldn't have had to tinker.

Agreed, especially with Tony playing you'd get easier offense because of the turnovers he'd cause.

Exactly, the Celtics opponents would definitely score more points because of turnovers by Tony Allen.

Oh wait, maybe you meant that the other way around?

Nah, no way you could have meant that any other way than what I said.

Right? 

[rondohondo]

Read Kelly Dwyer's piece about Green and his alleged offensive efficiency in the playoff.
Not very good.

Just read it and it doesn't take into account that Lebron James, the strongest/fastest most athletic player in the league and a 3 time all defensive 1st team player was guarding him the majority of the time.

Also lets not forget that rondo wasn't the same after the 3rd quarter of game three. That is a huge thing to overlook, especially when Jeff Green is so good on the fast break running with Rondo.

Green was basically going one on one against Lebron because Rondo couldn't be the play maker he usually is with only 1 arm. By the time Green got in the game the big 3 were coming out or were tired, thats why it would be smart to have green play a lotof mins with the starters and let PP take over the role of 6th man  it just balances the team out so much more ,PP can carry the bench like great 6th man of the past Hondo, and Green can play off of Rondo,KG and Ray and not have to go 1 on 1 against Lebron to get his points in the playoffs.

even with all that he shot good % and played tough defense on Lebron. Of course he is going to have a bad turnover% when he is forced to try to score on Lebron one on one , the fast break is a big part of his game that wasn't utilized with an injured Rondo.

[vinnie]

Why are there so many explanations for Jeff Green's mediocrity in the 40 or so games he played with the Celtics?

[Roy H.]

Read Kelly Dwyer's piece about Green and his alleged offensive efficiency in the playoff.
Not very good.

Just read it and it doesn't take into account that Lebron James, the strongest/fastest most athletic player in the league and a 3 time all defensive 1st team player was guarding him the majority of the time.

Regardless of the reasons, though, I think that Dwyer makes a fair point that Danny shouldn't be out pimping Green's efficiency.  A PER of 10.0 just isn't very good, nor was his turnover rate.

[bfrombleacher]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I've always been preaching this. Rondo, Jeff Green and Von Wafer will grant immense athleticism. [dang] Doc and his narrow vision in rotations won't let this happen.

[KCattheStripe]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I doubt that.  I just don't think Danny has the hubris to blow up a championship team unless he felt it was necessary.  If Tony was playing Marquis' minutes, Danny wouldn't have had to tinker.

Agreed, especially with Tony playing you'd get easier offense because of the turnovers he'd cause.

Exactly, the Celtics opponents would definitely score more points because of turnovers by Tony Allen.

Oh wait, maybe you meant that the other way around?

Nah, no way you could have meant that any other way than what I said.

Right? 

I can mean both.

[KCattheStripe]

He wouldn't even go strong to the basket.  He would go right to the hoop and if there was a defender in the area he would avoid contact at all costs and blow the finish.

Zero athleticism.  Zero pride.  Zero potential.

I think you're confusing tenacity with Athleticism.

[hibbamax]

Why are there so many explanations for Jeff Green's mediocrity in the 40 or so games he played with the Celtics?

Exactly. I don't know why people are in love with Jeff Green. He needs to play a lot of minutes and put up double digit shots to be effective - when is that going to happen? He needs more than 30 minutes a game and that is not going to happen next year - unless there is another big move in the works. He simply is not a better small forward than Pierce and he will not get more minutes than him, even if Pierce comes off the bench.

 I know why Danny and the ownership love him- they have to save face. If they admitted to a mistake it would make them look bad and make Jeff Green feel horrible. Can you imagine the pressure (warranted or not) Green is going to be under in his future with the Celts? I hope he is ready - I have seen many athletes wilt under our intense media scrutiny.