State of the Celtics, on right now 7pm on Comcast Sports(Danny Ainge)

[OsirusCeltics]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I've always been preaching this. Rondo, Jeff Green and Von Wafer will grant immense athleticism. [dang] Doc and his narrow vision in rotations won't let this happen.

Exactly same thing I was thinking. Doc's lineup rotations are HORRIBLE

[RJ87]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

[RJ87]

He wouldn't even go strong to the basket.  He would go right to the hoop and if there was a defender in the area he would avoid contact at all costs and blow the finish.

Zero athleticism.  Zero pride.  Zero potential.

I think you're confusing tenacity with Athleticism.

Lol.
TP.

[nickagneta]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Yeah but the whole fumbling the basketball and not holding onto passes during fast breaks during the Miami series was extremely unimpressive. Give me a professional basketball player over a professional athlete any day of the week and a professional athletic basketball player always. I don't think Jeff Green is an professional athletic basketball player, just a professional athlete....if you know what I mean. You need the body and the brain.

[j804]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Not when Rondo and the team ignore him everytime he's up the floor on the break. I've seen it dozens of times.

[BballTim]

Dickerson: is rondo untouchable
Ainge: no one is untouchable, but we don't plan on moving Rondo, we need to add athleticism to go with Rondo.

More athleticism, please???

Seriously though, say what you want about Jeff Green - but it was so refreshing to see someone actually get out on the fastbreak with Rondo for a change.

Not when Rondo and the team ignore him everytime he's up the floor on the break. I've seen it dozens of times.

  I've seen Rondo launch quite a few passes to Green on the break.

[wahz]

He wouldn't even go strong to the basket.  He would go right to the hoop and if there was a defender in the area he would avoid contact at all costs and blow the finish.

Zero athleticism.  Zero pride.  Zero potential.

wow I can't even take you seriously with posts like that, try being realistic instead of hating on Green because the c's didn't win the championship and your boy Perk ( talk about athleticism) with his 9 mil dollar cap killing deal is gone.

Another in the million examples here that some folks hang out here and comment after games and entire seasons they never actually watch. Green made several dunks were he got up so quick and slammed  it through so fast I couldn't even see he had dunked it. It was unusual. Additionally, he posted up some smaller guys that he just jumped over the top of, and the moves were very fast. Where this all goes for him I don't know but he is athletic along Rondo lines.

[chambers]

can someone throw up a link to this and any other recent links of celtics interest?

[CoachBo]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I've always been preaching this. Rondo, Jeff Green and Von Wafer will grant immense athleticism. [dang] Doc and his narrow vision in rotations won't let this happen.

Exactly same thing I was thinking. Doc's lineup rotations are HORRIBLE

Hard to get more athletic, Doc, when you persist in playing the most unathletic 4 in the game - Glen Davis.

I'll co-sign on the rotations issue.

[KJ33]

Why are there so many explanations for Jeff Green's mediocrity in the 40 or so games he played with the Celtics?

Can you quantify what you are calling mediocrity?  Because Danny had some good #s to show that Green was one of the more efficient offensive players on the team, using Points per possession for one.  He also indicated that he scored more off the bench than any other bench player in the Big 3 era.  Not sure what you were expecting but anyone playing 20 minutes or less a game is not going to put up eye popping raw numbers.

[KJ33]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I doubt that.  I just don't think Danny has the hubris to blow up a championship team unless he felt it was necessary.  If Tony was playing Marquis' minutes, Danny wouldn't have had to tinker.

Did you see the show?  A big point he made was that TA is more of a 1/2, who could play some spot minutes at 3 whereas Green is a 3/4.  Simply, that they bring two entirely different skill sets to the table, so having TA here still would not have stopped Danny from wanting a big wing who could play spot minutes at 4.  He only briefly concluded by saying he would have loved having those 2 in together off the bench, especially against Miami with Wade and Lebron, that was not the main thrust of why he still would have done the trade.  He didn't believe that TA would have been able to play the backup 3 exclusively.

[clover]

Why are there so many explanations for Jeff Green's mediocrity in the 40 or so games he played with the Celtics?

Can you quantify what you are calling mediocrity?  Because Danny had some good #s to show that Green was one of the more efficient offensive players on the team, using Points per possession for one.  He also indicated that he scored more off the bench than any other bench player in the Big 3 era.  Not sure what you were expecting but anyone playing 20 minutes or less a game is not going to put up eye popping raw numbers.

Danny's got to GM for his talented coach the same way a coach coaches a talented player--play to his strengths, neutralize his weaknesses, and put him in a position to win.  Sometimes that involves taking away players to help manage lineups and rotations from the front office, and now we know that also involves not giving him a crazy number of new players at the trade deadline.

[vinnie]

Why are there so many explanations for Jeff Green's mediocrity in the 40 or so games he played with the Celtics?

Can you quantify what you are calling mediocrity?  Because Danny had some good #s to show that Green was one of the more efficient offensive players on the team, using Points per possession for one.  He also indicated that he scored more off the bench than any other bench player in the Big 3 era.  Not sure what you were expecting but anyone playing 20 minutes or less a game is not going to put up eye popping raw numbers.

This article will give you all the mediocrity you need: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Let-8217-s-not-go-over-the-top-here-Danny-Ain?urn=nba-wp3279

A few excerpts: "Green had a turnover rate of 16.5, which means that in all the possessions he used up (possessions that ended with him doing something tangible on a box score level, like taking a shot, getting to the line, creating an assist, or turning the ball over), he turned it over on 16.5 percent of those chances. Now, that wouldn't rank amongst the league's worst for stone-handed big men, but it's not far off. And amongst wings and/or perimeter players? That's pretty terrible."

"He earned a subpar 12.9 PER for both Oklahoma City and Boston during the regular season, and managed a barely-rotation-worthy PER of 10 during the playoffs. Even when you hit 44 percent of your threes, that isn't good."

[paulcowens]

Danny Ainge: I still would have made the Perk trade if Tony Allen was here. Jeff Green and TA would have been tremendous athletically together

I doubt that.  I just don't think Danny has the hubris to blow up a championship team unless he felt it was necessary.  If Tony was playing Marquis' minutes, Danny wouldn't have had to tinker.

Except that Danny didn't just tinker.  He pretty much nuked the team, with barely a month to go in the season.

[paulcowens]

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Perhaps, but Perk declined their best offer so why not get something in return knowing you were winning games with Shaq starting and Davis finishing?

Fine.  So wait until the season is over to get rid of your STARTING CENTER.  And please, Shaq me no Shaq.  For Ainge to say that Shaq was gonna save us was pure smokescreen.  He knew we'd be lucky to get anything from Shaq the rest of the way.   Neither Shaq nor JO was brought in to replace Perk, so how did they suddenly become his replacement in Ainge's mind?  Answer?  They didn't.   He's not stupid.  He knew as well as we did that neither of them suddenly became five years younger just because Danny decided to make a hideously reckless trade.