WEEI: Doc: Any of big 3 could come off bench, not happy with BBD's play

[Who]

I wonder if Ainge may go after Corey Brewer this offseason, considering how he pursued him after his release from the Knicks.

What would he command on the FA market?

Dallas signed Corey Brewer to a 3 year deal after he was bought out at mid-season.

No longer scheduled to be a free agent this summer.

[Lucky17]

I wonder if Ainge may go after Corey Brewer this offseason, considering how he pursued him after his release from the Knicks.

What would he command on the FA market?

Dallas signed Corey Brewer to a 3 year deal after he was bought out at mid-season.

No longer scheduled to be a free agent this summer.

Really? I totally missed that. Oh well.

[the_Bird]

I wonder if Ainge may go after Corey Brewer this offseason, considering how he pursued him after his release from the Knicks.

What would he command on the FA market?

He signed a multi-year deal with Dallas, think it was around 3/$9M.  Green SHOULD be better than Brewer, but would have been really nice if we could have shoehorned into the original trade and gotten him.

[ejk3489]

They can start Pierce and make him the first sub out around the 6 minute mark and bring him back towards the end of the quarter to play with the second unit and achieve the exact same thing. Give him another rest. Then bring him back to finish off the half.

They do not bring Pierce off the bench to play him in the second unit.

The difference should be in minutes distribution rather than starter or reserve.

There's also the KG factor - if he's playing in 5-minute spurts, then he's coming out at the 7-minute mark in the first quarter. You can't take both KG and Paul out at the 6 or 7-minute mark and rely on the bench that early, it makes much more sense to start Green at the 3 and sub Paul for KG at the 7-minute mark, moving JG to the 4. Keeps the talent balanced.

Why would KG only be able to play in 5 minute spurts?

Doc mentioned in that WEEI intervew that he could have KG play three 5-minute stints a half, instead of two 8-minute stints in order to maximize his intensity to the fullest.

[Chris]

I wonder if Ainge may go after Corey Brewer this offseason, considering how he pursued him after his release from the Knicks.

What would he command on the FA market?

Dallas signed Corey Brewer to a 3 year deal after he was bought out at mid-season.

No longer scheduled to be a free agent this summer.

If you really wanted him though, I am sure Dallas wouldn't have too much problem with offering him up though.  He hasn't exactly made it look like the Knicks and Wolves made much of a mistake.

[RJ87]

I think - if we resign Green - Paul should come off the bench... We really need more athleticism and speed in our starting lineup next to Rondo (it was so refreshing to see someone run the fastbreak with him these past few months). Besides, Paul can create his own shot, which makes him an ideal pick for six man. Ray is a great shooter, but he can create for himself anymore. Whenever Ray puts the ball on the floor, its a disaster waiting to happen. Now if we can resign Delonte to bring off of the bench, Ray could be a good option to bri ng off the bench as well.

[Who]

They can start Pierce and make him the first sub out around the 6 minute mark and bring him back towards the end of the quarter to play with the second unit and achieve the exact same thing. Give him another rest. Then bring him back to finish off the half.

They do not bring Pierce off the bench to play him in the second unit.

The difference should be in minutes distribution rather than starter or reserve.

There's also the KG factor - if he's playing in 5-minute spurts, then he's coming out at the 7-minute mark in the first quarter. You can't take both KG and Paul out at the 6 or 7-minute mark and rely on the bench that early, it makes much more sense to start Green at the 3 and sub Paul for KG at the 7-minute mark, moving JG to the 4. Keeps the talent balanced.

Why would KG only be able to play in 5 minute spurts?

Doc mentioned in that WEEI intervew that he could have KG play three 5-minute stints a half, instead of two 8-minute stints in order to maximize his intensity to the fullest.

Ah okay. Thank you.

I haven't listened to the interview. Only read the article on WEII and it didn't mention that.

[Who]

The guy that I'd be interested in seeing in the second unit more often is Rajon Rondo.

Two reasons:

(1) Rondo is a very good shot creator in terms of both scoring playmaking and scoring. He'll be able to create good scoring opportunities for the second unit guys with his playmaking, transition play and dribble penetration.

It'll make it much easier for those second unit guys to score with a top passer like Rondo feeding them.

(2) I also think Doc could use the second unit lineups to get Rondo to concentrate on his scoring more than he does with when playing alongside the Big Three. Give him more responsibility as a scorer. Get him up to 15-17ppg with a good chunk of his scoring coming when he is playing in the second unit.

Rondo has shown himself capable of consistently scoring in the past. He can give the C's a little more here and putting him in a unit like this is a good way to get him to focus on it.

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I am thinking either:

(1) Rondo + Delonte + Green + two bigs, or
(2) Rondo + Ray + Green + two bigs, or
(3) Rondo + Delonte + Pierce + Green + one big.

As a second unit.

If Doc does decide to go with those five minute Garnett spells, I'd go with the lineup that rests both Pierce and Ray. The Delonte (SG), Green (SF) and a second big lineup.

[2short]

If Pierce comes off the bench we get a front line that can post up, green can pretty much post every sf in the nba except maybe lebron.  Ray starts for open looks and spreading the floor.  Paul becomes the go to guy for 2nd unit.  He can handle the ball if rondo isn't in, create his own offense and make the 2nd unit tighter.
starters:rondo,ray,green,kg,jo
subs:(not all at once doc) delonte,pierce,krstic and then new sg/pf players or maybe wafer

[makaveli]

I would like Ray off the bench, Paul can still be very productive, and he is still out best player.

[JT11]

Glen Davis could always get a long term deal with the Idaho Stampeders and along with Antione Walker, keep the late night windows at the Boise Wendy's busy.

I could see Europe

You want another potato famine?

HAHAHA
TP.

[vinnie]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

Same here. Why can't Jeff Green come of the bench? Pierce has been starting games a heck of a lot longer than Jeff Green. If Green plays well, he will get his minutes.

[kozlodoev]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

Same here. Why can't Jeff Green come of the bench? Pierce has been starting games a heck of a lot longer than Jeff Green. If Green plays well, he will get his minutes.

Because the team is better overall when Paul Pierce plays with 4 chumps, rather than when Jeff Green does. How's that for a reason?

[xmuscularghandix]

I don't see the point in bringing one of the Big Three of the bench.

Same here. Why can't Jeff Green come of the bench? Pierce has been starting games a heck of a lot longer than Jeff Green. If Green plays well, he will get his minutes.

Because the team is better overall when Paul Pierce plays with 4 chumps, rather than when Jeff Green does. How's that for a reason?

Exactly, i don't know why people can't see this. They aren't saying that Jeff Green deserves to start because he's better. They're saying that Pierce is good enough that he can produce without constantly being surrounded by other great players.

If the drop off in Pierce's production is less than the increase in production by Green then it's worth it.

Furthermore it really doesn't matter who starts because what's important is the 4th quarter.

Imagine if Pierce could somehow average 28-30 MPG in the regular season?  That could be potentially adding years onto his career.

And like Doc said it's not necessarily Pierce, or anyone coming off the bench. It's just the idea that a current bench player could eat up more minutes as a starter, have more production, and save the legs of his older more experienced counterpart while at the same time giving you a similar overall quality.

[bfrombleacher]

The guy that I'd be interested in seeing in the second unit more often is Rajon Rondo.

Two reasons:

(1) Rondo is a very good shot creator in terms of both scoring playmaking and scoring. He'll be able to create good scoring opportunities for the second unit guys with his playmaking, transition play and dribble penetration.

It'll make it much easier for those second unit guys to score with a top passer like Rondo feeding them.

(2) I also think Doc could use the second unit lineups to get Rondo to concentrate on his scoring more than he does with when playing alongside the Big Three. Give him more responsibility as a scorer. Get him up to 15-17ppg with a good chunk of his scoring coming when he is playing in the second unit.

Rondo has shown himself capable of consistently scoring in the past. He can give the C's a little more here and putting him in a unit like this is a good way to get him to focus on it.

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I am thinking either:

(1) Rondo + Delonte + Green + two bigs, or
(2) Rondo + Ray + Green + two bigs, or
(3) Rondo + Delonte + Pierce + Green + one big.

As a second unit.

If Doc does decide to go with those five minute Garnett spells, I'd go with the lineup that rests both Pierce and Ray. The Delonte (SG), Green (SF) and a second big lineup.

That's interesting. You got me thinking about something like Delonte + Big Three because their offense is mainly about hitting jump shots and getting to their spots.

Rondo + Von Wafer + Jeff Green (the umpteenth time I've said this) would be a very explosive core to build around (this is, of course, if Doc would even let Von Wafer play more than a minute. Honestly, Von has become a decent defender using his athleticism and over playing. He needs the time to learn defense with the Celtics and gel. [dang it] Doc). If they do this, they'd even be able to utilize Krstic, who's fairly quick on his feet and can stretch the floor like nobody's business, and Big Baby (if he makes a return and sheds some fat) as he can also stretch the floor and is quick.

If this actually happens, all they need is a center and a power forward to make it an epic team. Everybody keeps looking at the FA but I'm leaning towards the draft because there are some fairly solid centers and PFs that they can develop (just like how they developed Perk).