Why did the Celtics lose to the Heat? (merged)

[CoachBo]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Well, if looking mean is good enough for a $9 million contract, then I'm gonna go scowl at my bosses tomorrow.

Beyond that, it's a ridiculous price to pay for four points and six boards a night, one a Celtics team in transition cannot afford to pay under any circumstances.

Love or hate the trade, Perkins' deal is absurd. I am beyond thrilled Danny didn't pay that price.

[barefacedmonk]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Yes...that's all ESPN says...smh. You claim to be a real coach..yet you have no idea what defense is.

Anyway, not worth arguing with you.

[wahz]

If this has become a thread about the trade, well considering what Perk looks like he cost and will play like going forward, and we get an important pick, Green and Krstic, who we may well resign, it looks very good for Boston if Green at least becomes a decent bench player. Lots of ifs still but it seems like it might look very good in 2 years

We can talk about Rondos injury but imho, if Shaq had been able to play 10 solid minutes in each game, and JO didn't have a broken wrist, we are up 3-2 after 5 and going back to Boston. No way we lose those last two games and maybe the first two would have been close enough to be tough on Mia

The injuries made this season look way worse than it was and in retrospect maybe Baby/Green and Doc were most affected by the trade.

[OsirusCeltics]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Yes...that's all ESPN says...smh. You claim to be a real coach..yet you have no idea what defense is.

Anyway, not worth arguing with you.

Perk was never able to defend mobile big with an array of post moves (Randolph, Bogut, Lopez, etc). He's been a little overhyped on this board and CelticNation

[barefacedmonk]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Yes...that's all ESPN says...smh. You claim to be a real coach..yet you have no idea what defense is.

Anyway, not worth arguing with you.

Perk was never able to defend mobile big with an array of post moves (Randolph, Bogut, Lopez, etc). He's been a little overhyped on this board and CelticNation

He has also been over hyped by OKC fans, national sports media and his team mates.

[OsirusCeltics]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Yes...that's all ESPN says...smh. You claim to be a real coach..yet you have no idea what defense is.

Anyway, not worth arguing with you.

Perk was never able to defend mobile big with an array of post moves (Randolph, Bogut, Lopez, etc). He's been a little overhyped on this board and CelticNation

He has also been over hyped by OKC fans, national sports media and his team mates.

Yes that is true. Overhyped

[Tgro]

Lack of depth which I guess translates into bench being too thin and our guys being too old and brittle was what killed us in my opinion.

I actually thought we was the team to beat until about January. I never understood how we went from so much depth at Center to no depth at all by playoff time. I didn't mind so much the  trade of Perkins as I did the fact that it seemed to rob us of a bench. It also seemed to rob us of chemistry and we didn't have enough time to get out act together. We had lots of guys on the bench who never played a minute in the playoffs and we're just a waste of roster spots. We were about 4 or 5 spots short of a team this year. 7 or 8 players playing exclusively just wasn't going to get it done. 

I think the team we had at the beginning of the year who was healthy and completely gelled wins the 18th banner this year easily. I thought we were still a contender and could win it all before the trade even with some of our injuries.

The single biggest moment of the season to me has to be when Marquis went down. Then we had the trade. Then we lacked depth and chemistry and had no options off the bench for our starters who played in my opinion, admirably well during the playoffs until they simply ran out of gas and had no one to go to when they needed a break.

I still think we had the better team but over the course of the season we just lost depth and eventually it bit us. If Shaq could have resembled anything like he did at the start of the season and Rondo has two arms and we have a decent rotation off the bench...we're still playing now and we win it all.

[CelticSooner]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Yes...that's all ESPN says...smh. You claim to be a real coach..yet you have no idea what defense is.

Anyway, not worth arguing with you.

Perk was never able to defend mobile big with an array of post moves (Randolph, Bogut, Lopez, etc). He's been a little overhyped on this board and CelticNation

He has also been over hyped by OKC fans, national sports media and his team mates.

Not really. Collison is being chimed as the MVP of this series.

[winsomme]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Well, if looking mean is good enough for a $9 million contract, then I'm gonna go scowl at my bosses tomorrow.

Beyond that, it's a ridiculous price to pay for four points and six boards a night, one a Celtics team in transition cannot afford to pay under any circumstances.

Love or hate the trade, Perkins' deal is absurd. I am beyond thrilled Danny didn't pay that price.

well I knew there would be people who would cling to the "Perkins has little impact" mantra but I didn't know anybody could be thrilled about not having him.

especially as his team continues to move through the playoffs...

[barefacedmonk]

Perkins is on his way to the conference finals for the 3rd time...haters and Danny Ainge can get together at his place and watch the WCF games together.

[winsomme]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Yes...that's all ESPN says...smh. You claim to be a real coach..yet you have no idea what defense is.

Anyway, not worth arguing with you.

Perk was never able to defend mobile big with an array of post moves (Randolph, Bogut, Lopez, etc). He's been a little overhyped on this board and CelticNation

He has also been over hyped by OKC fans, national sports media and his team mates.

Yes that is true. Overhyped

at least the Thunder still have something to hype.

[paulcowens]

Sorry about the mixup - I made a mistake when I posted what I meant as a reply and it ended up being a separate thread.

[ejk3489]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Well, if looking mean is good enough for a $9 million contract, then I'm gonna go scowl at my bosses tomorrow.

Beyond that, it's a ridiculous price to pay for four points and six boards a night, one a Celtics team in transition cannot afford to pay under any circumstances.

Love or hate the trade, Perkins' deal is absurd. I am beyond thrilled Danny didn't pay that price.

Just curious, but how do you evaluate players? You claimed that stats don't mean anything to you when someone brought them up in discussing Rondo, and now Perk is just a "6 point 4 rebound" guy. Well, which is it? If stats aren't everything, it should be clear that what Perk contributes to a team doesn't often show up in the box score...

I don't think that Perk is has looked great in the post season, but there is no way that team makes the WCF's without him and with Green/Krstic.

[barefacedmonk]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Well, if looking mean is good enough for a $9 million contract, then I'm gonna go scowl at my bosses tomorrow.

Beyond that, it's a ridiculous price to pay for four points and six boards a night, one a Celtics team in transition cannot afford to pay under any circumstances.

Love or hate the trade, Perkins' deal is absurd. I am beyond thrilled Danny didn't pay that price.

Just curious, but how do you evaluate players? You claimed that stats don't mean anything to you when someone brought them up in discussing Rondo, and now Perk is just a "6 point 4 rebound" guy. Well, which is it? If stats aren't everything, it should be clear that what Perk contributes to a team doesn't often show up in the box score...

I don't think that Perk is has looked great in the post season, but there is no way that team makes the WCF's without him and with Green/Krstic.

TP.

[CoachCowens]

Yeah, that changes everything. ESPN's justification for the trade is "He just looks mean."

Well, if looking mean is good enough for a $9 million contract, then I'm gonna go scowl at my bosses tomorrow.

Beyond that, it's a ridiculous price to pay for four points and six boards a night, one a Celtics team in transition cannot afford to pay under any circumstances.

Love or hate the trade, Perkins' deal is absurd. I am beyond thrilled Danny didn't pay that price.

Just curious, but how do you evaluate players? You claimed that stats don't mean anything to you when someone brought them up in discussing Rondo, and now Perk is just a "6 point 4 rebound" guy. Well, which is it? If stats aren't everything, it should be clear that what Perk contributes to a team doesn't often show up in the box score...

I don't think that Perk is has looked great in the post season, but there is no way that team makes the WCF's without him and with Green/Krstic.

So Perk hasn't looked great but there is now way that team makes the WCF's without him? Man he is good even when he is mediocre.