2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[Redz]

Question for everyone:  How many NBA champions are on your roster?

Follow up:  Do you know how many Denver has?

I knew I should have drafted Greg Kite!

Hmmm...

Bird had 3
Sam Jones 10
Robinson 2
Tiny 1
Westphaul 1

[GreenFaith1819]

Question for everyone:  How many NBA champions are on your roster?

Follow up:  Do you know how many Denver has?

Question for everyone:

In an exercise like this, how much do you value 'Championship Experience'?

Personally, I've always somewhat ignored the 'championship' part of it and looked at how they competed when they were in the playoffs or championship game.

See - that was a thought-provoking question for me as I built my roster.

For me, I switched back and forth from 07-08 KG to the 03-04 one. I eventually went with 03-04 because he brought so much raw athleticism for that season...even though he could not carry his team to a banner, I think that year was his max - as far as his own potential and how much he affected his teammates.

KG elevated that squad by himself.

Kareem's year was a challenge for me, too. I initially went with 79-80 for him, then realized that was the year he got hurt.

I thought about 84-85, but by then he was in his latter years.

70-71 was what I went with, but he is only 2 yrs into the NBA by then. He is a little raw with this year, but nonetheless a winner in that he garnered Finals MVP and a Banner that year.

Even with the yr I chose for Kareem, his skills and intelligence of the game were off the charts.

Thanks John Wooden.

Dumars best years, IMO, were the 90's. He certainly had a great year in 88-89 when I picked him, but he didn't shoot very well at all from deep.

But again - at the starting 2 spot, he was just more valuable to me at 88-89 in this setting - to help balance out Gary Payton's lack of Championship experience.

Worthy was IMO our total package in the lineup. He was a Finals MVP, Banner-winning, quick-footed slashing SF that elevated his game in the Finals.

Big Ben Wallace would anchor our bench with his lunch-pail mentality and his banner year from 05-06.

Michael Cooper, from 86-87 years provides us another banner year and defensive player of the year - as well as a deep threat.

In short, it was more important for me to have a mix of several things (Deep playoff runs, defensive awards, Finals MVPs and athleticism).

With our exception of Elton Brand every player provides some deep playoff runs for me. And even with Elton he fills an important role when needed.

[StartOrien]

I'm struggling to come up with an example, but I'm sure there is one:

Is there a basketball equivalent to A-Rod (pre-world series win)? Somebody who put/s up incredible numbers in the regular seasons but consistently fails when the stakes are high? (Personally, I don't think Lebron fits the bill here)

[indeedproceed]

I'm struggling to come up with an example, but I'm sure there is one:

Is there a basketball equivalent to A-Rod (pre-world series win)? Somebody who put/s up incredible numbers in the regular seasons but consistently fails when the stakes are high? (Personally, I don't think Lebron fits the bill here)

Karl Malone. Morally gray, mentally driven, an utter physical specimen created by basketball gods, put up consistently elite if not great numbers, and never won a chip.

[StartOrien]

I'm struggling to come up with an example, but I'm sure there is one:

Is there a basketball equivalent to A-Rod (pre-world series win)? Somebody who put/s up incredible numbers in the regular seasons but consistently fails when the stakes are high? (Personally, I don't think Lebron fits the bill here)

Karl Malone. Morally gray, mentally driven, an utter physical specimen created by basketball gods, put up consistently elite if not great numbers, and never won a chip.

But Malone was pretty consistent with his overall play in the regular season and playoffs. I'm talking about a guy who consistently under performs when the stakes are high.

[indeedproceed]

I'm struggling to come up with an example, but I'm sure there is one:

Is there a basketball equivalent to A-Rod (pre-world series win)? Somebody who put/s up incredible numbers in the regular seasons but consistently fails when the stakes are high? (Personally, I don't think Lebron fits the bill here)

Karl Malone. Morally gray, mentally driven, an utter physical specimen created by basketball gods, put up consistently elite if not great numbers, and never won a chip.

But Malone was pretty consistent with his overall play in the regular season and playoffs. I'm talking about a guy who consistently under performs when the stakes are high.

Karl Malone is pretty famous for choking in the playoffs.

[mgent]

At the risk of being 'that guy', I'm finding it hard to believe that Indiana isn't an almost unanimous decision as best run n gun team.

Your bigs are unanimous, but I think my perimeter players close that gap easily.  Especially with Steve Nash trying to guard Robertson (LOL!).

I don't see how your perimeter players (shooting guard and small forward) gain any traction. At best, its a wash.

Drexler is better than Wade
Oscar is way better than Nash
Dr J and Marion shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence

Not sure where you're coming from.  Do people really not know how crazy my team is?  I know you've actually seen your guys play within the last year, but seriously.

[StartOrien]

At the risk of being 'that guy', I'm finding it hard to believe that Indiana isn't an almost unanimous decision as best run n gun team.

Your bigs are unanimous, but I think my perimeter players close that gap easily.  Especially with Steve Nash trying to guard Robertson (LOL!).

I don't see how your perimeter players (shooting guard and small forward) gain any traction. At best, its a wash.

Drexler is better than Wade
Oscar is way better than Nash
Dr J and Marion shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence

Not sure where you're coming from.

How could you possibly state so matter-of-factly state that Drexler was better than Wade?

[indeedproceed]

At the risk of being 'that guy', I'm finding it hard to believe that Indiana isn't an almost unanimous decision as best run n gun team.

Your bigs are unanimous, but I think my perimeter players close that gap easily.  Especially with Steve Nash trying to guard Robertson (LOL!).

I don't see how your perimeter players (shooting guard and small forward) gain any traction. At best, its a wash.

Drexler is better than Wade
Oscar is way better than Nash
Dr J and Marion shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence

Not sure where you're coming from.

I'm not sure you can hands down at this point (or the season in question) say Drexler is better than Wade. Oscar is a better all-around player than Nash, and Dr. J is a better all-around player than Marion..but that's not the question here..he question is which team will run the run n gun better, and Indy's perimeter has you beat by my thinking.

Don't think of it as Denver vs Indy..think of it as who is more successfull offensively running the run n gun program: Indy vs the rest of the league, or Denver vs the rest of the league.

[mgent]

At the risk of being 'that guy', I'm finding it hard to believe that Indiana isn't an almost unanimous decision as best run n gun team.

Your bigs are unanimous, but I think my perimeter players close that gap easily.  Especially with Steve Nash trying to guard Robertson (LOL!).

I don't see how your perimeter players (shooting guard and small forward) gain any traction. At best, its a wash.

Drexler is better than Wade
Oscar is way better than Nash
Dr J and Marion shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence

Not sure where you're coming from.

How could you possibly state so matter-of-factly state that Drexler was better than Wade?

I think he was a more efficient scorer.  Passing and rebounding is probably about the same.  I could see an argument for Wade being better, but I don't think the other 2 are close.

[mgent]

At the risk of being 'that guy', I'm finding it hard to believe that Indiana isn't an almost unanimous decision as best run n gun team.

Your bigs are unanimous, but I think my perimeter players close that gap easily.  Especially with Steve Nash trying to guard Robertson (LOL!).

I don't see how your perimeter players (shooting guard and small forward) gain any traction. At best, its a wash.

Drexler is better than Wade
Oscar is way better than Nash
Dr J and Marion shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence

Not sure where you're coming from.

I'm not sure you can hands down at this point (or the season in question) say Drexler is better than Wade. Oscar is a better all-around player than Nash, and Dr. J is a better all-around player than Marion..but that's not the question here..he question is which team will run the run n gun better, and Indy's perimeter has you beat by my thinking.

Don't think of it as Denver vs Indy..think of it as who is more successfull offensively running the run n gun program: Indy vs the rest of the league, or Denver vs the rest of the league.

Well typically the better player plays better vs the rest of the league in my opinion.

I think Oscar is a better distributor than Nash, and is 100x more athletic.  I'd also say Drexler and Dr J are better finishers than Wade and Marion.  That was my line of thinking.

[Moranis]

Question for everyone:  How many NBA champions are on your roster?

Follow up:  Do you know how many Denver has?

Every Denver player has one.

Miami has 7. We do have 2 Finals Mvps, while Denver has zero.

it only counts if you actually use a year the team won a title.

[nickagneta]

My answers that don't include any self promoting:

Best Run N Gun Team: Toss up between Denver and Indiana, with Indiana probably slightly ahead. Oscar with Clyde and Dr J is potent but a part of great Run N Guns is a front court that can rebound and outlet. Parish is middle of the road as a rebounder in this game and neither he nor most of the very talented PFs on Denver were known for their passing ability. Nash, Wade, Barkley and Marion on the break being fed the ball from Russell is just scary.

Team that matches up well versus Chicago:Well, all of them. Has anyone taken a deep look at the quality of the teams here. One in particular? There's probably 2. Philadelphia with MJ, Nique and Dirk. Chicago has some great defenders but that some ridiculously athletic and multi-faceted offense from the SG and forwards position. The other is Dallas. The Chicago Bulls have advantages elsewhere against Dallas but being honest, we have no answer for 2000 era Shaq. heck, does anyone?

Answers that might include self promotion:

How deep is the rotation:10 deep. Walton, Camby, Reed and Gasol will all see frontcourt time, Camby the least. Magic, West and DJ are the back court rotation with Pistol and/or Maravich coming in if there's foul trouble, so they don't count. Rodman, DeBusschere and Durant all see regular SF minutes.

How many World Champions are on the roster?
Walton: 2 time Champ, Finals MVP
Magic: 5 time Champ, 3 time Finals MVP
Reed: 2 time Champ, 2 time Finals MVP
West: 1 time Champ, Finals MVP
DJ: 3 time Champ, Finals MVP
Rodman: 5 time Champ
DeBusschere: 2 time Champ
Gasol: 2 time Champ

Can anyone else field a team with 5 different Finals MVPs on the court at the same time?

[mgent]

Question for everyone:  How many NBA champions are on your roster?

Follow up:  Do you know how many Denver has?

Question for everyone:

In an exercise like this, how much do you value 'Championship Experience'?

Personally, I've always somewhat ignored the 'championship' part of it and looked at how they competed when they were in the playoffs or championship game.

I again don't know where you're coming from.  Winning is the whole point of basketball.  There's a reason why the winners won and the losers lost.  It might be abstract but that's how history played out.

Guys that know how to win have an advantage at winning.  I see the same crap in the CB draft.  GMs take rookies or career-losers and say "but they're talented" and then expect a big pile of talent to win games.  History has proven that doesn't always happen, and that experience really does matter.  In fact we might have that history lesson again this year.

[mgent]

Question for everyone:  How many NBA champions are on your roster?

Follow up:  Do you know how many Denver has?

Every Denver player has one.

Miami has 7. We do have 2 Finals Mvps, while Denver has zero.

it only counts if you actually use a year the team won a title.

Why?  A champion is a champion.