2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[StartOrien]

If it were me, I think I would probably start Andre Iguodala at the three instead. Keep Mully as the backup SF. Drop Steve Smith to third string.

I got Iggy.

He's got:

6th Man- Ray Allen (00-01) 22PPG 5RPG 4APG 48%FG 43%3P

Bench Larry Johnson- (94-95) 18PPG 7RPG 4APG 48%FG 38%3P

Tim Hardaway- (90-91) 22.9PPG 9.7APG

Steve Smith- (01-02) 11PPG 47%3P

Charles Oakley (89-90) 14.6PPG 11.9RPG 52%FG

Vlade Divac (94-95) 16PPG 10RPG 50% 4.1APG

Allan Houston (99-00) 19.7PPG 48%FG 43%3P

[Who]

If it were me, I think I would probably start Andre Iguodala at the three instead. Keep Mully as the backup SF. Drop Steve Smith to third string.

I got Iggy

Oh yes, my mistake. I was looking at the wrong line. Indiana and Atlanta are right next to each other on my spreadsheet.

Thank you for correcting on me on that. That changes things.

Atlanta has Allan Houston. So basically, there is nothing that Atlanta can do about Chris Mullins' weak defense / rebounding at the starting SF position. No good alternatives.

Oh well, Mully it is. He is the best man for the job.

[Donoghus]

Sorry everyone, I've been slammed at work today.
I promise to try and get some questions up tonight. 

[StartOrien]

If it were me, I think I would probably start Andre Iguodala at the three instead. Keep Mully as the backup SF. Drop Steve Smith to third string.

I got Iggy

Oh yes, my mistake. I was looking at the wrong line. Indiana and Atlanta are right next to each other on my spreadsheet.

Just another strong endorsement for the incredible talent on this eRacer roster

[KCattheStripe]

So, I'm not a panelist, but I have a question for everybody:

* If you could take one of your draft picks back, which one would it be, and who would you have replaced that player with?

I'd probably take Jermaine O'Neal over Blake Griffin.

[Rondo2287]

If it were me, I think I would probably start Andre Iguodala at the three instead. Keep Mully as the backup SF. Drop Steve Smith to third string.

I got Iggy

Oh yes, my mistake. I was looking at the wrong line. Indiana and Atlanta are right next to each other on my spreadsheet.

Just another strong endorsement for the incredible talent on this eRacer roster

I think its more an endorsement for Who's commitment.... He has a spreadsheet for crying out loud!

[mgent]

So, I'm not a panelist, but I have a question for everybody:

* If you could take one of your draft picks back, which one would it be, and who would you have replaced that player with?

Also, when the Mavs win the championship I might wish I took Terry instead of Rip.

[Moranis]

I really don't get the Chris Paul hate.

In 2008-09, he scored 22.8 points on just 16.1 shots and dished out 11 assists, snagged 5.5 rebounds, and got 2.8 steals all with just 3 turnovers and 2.7 fouls.  His TS% was 59.9 and his eFG% was 52.8, both incredibly high efficiencies for PG's.  That doesn't really smack of self involved ball hog as he is being made out to seem.  Yes, he was the Hornets best player, so yes he had the ball in his hand more then many PG's, but he was incredibly unselfish and efficient and couple that with a 1st team All Defense, and he is what every PG should be.

[nickagneta]

I really don't get the Chris Paul hate.

In 2008-09, he scored 22.8 points on just 16.1 shots and dished out 11 assists, snagged 5.5 rebounds, and got 2.8 steals all with just 3 turnovers and 2.7 fouls.  His TS% was 59.9 and his eFG% was 52.8, both incredibly high efficiencies for PG's.  That doesn't really smack of self involved ball hog as he is being made out to seem.  Yes, he was the Hornets best player, so yes he had the ball in his hand more then many PG's, but he was incredibly unselfish and efficient and couple that with a 1st team All Defense, and he is what every PG should be.

Has there been Chris Paul hate because I haven't read the entire last 30 pages but I would have to say, I love Chris Paul. Best PG in the NBA since Stockton, IMHO.

[StartOrien]

I really don't get the Chris Paul hate.

In 2008-09, he scored 22.8 points on just 16.1 shots and dished out 11 assists, snagged 5.5 rebounds, and got 2.8 steals all with just 3 turnovers and 2.7 fouls.  His TS% was 59.9 and his eFG% was 52.8, both incredibly high efficiencies for PG's.  That doesn't really smack of self involved ball hog as he is being made out to seem.  Yes, he was the Hornets best player, so yes he had the ball in his hand more then many PG's, but he was incredibly unselfish and efficient and couple that with a 1st team All Defense, and he is what every PG should be.

I don't think its hate as much as its a question of fit. I see Who's point, though I disagree with him, and think if anything - blasphemous as this may be - that Paul Pierce is the odd man out here. I think you might've been better off with a pure shooter.

[mgent]

I wanna point out again that Paul isn't exactly an "incredibly unselfish" PG, at least not compared to someone like Rondo (which someone tried to do last week or so).  He runs the pick and roll, and when the double team comes like it often does on a weak team like the Hornets, he hits an open David West rolling to the basket.  I wouldn't compare him to an always unselfish PG like Rondo who runs an incredibly intricate offense like the Celtics'.  Especially considering that the second the double team doesn't come (which it won't on a team with LeBron, Pierce, and Malone) he typically pulls the jumper.

[Who]

I don't think Chris Paul's style of play is conducive to playing alongside other top talents.

He needs the ball in his hands too often for my taste which in this fantasy setting is an issue + if you take the ball out of his hands, his value drops considerably.

Anyway, that is my issue. That and his lack of size. I am a big fan of teams with PGs with above average size + defensive chops (I don't rate Paul's defense highly either). Players like Walt Frazier.

Although, in his defense, C.Paul has made significant progress in this department each and every season for the last four to five years. He was really bad at combining with quality players before that. Now he's getting there.

[mgent]

I don't think Chris Paul's style of play is conducive to playing alongside other top talents.

He needs the ball in his hands too often for my taste which in this fantasy setting is an issue + if you take the ball out of his hands, his value drops considerably.

That was exactly where my confusion stemmed from.  Why are you gonna draft a PG that can't play off the ball when LeBron is your PG?

[Rondo2287]

I wanna point out again that Paul isn't exactly an incredibly unselfish PG, at least not compared to someone like Rondo (which someone tried to do last week or so).  He runs the pick and roll, and when the double team comes like it often does on a weak team like the Hornets, he hits an open David West rolling to the basket.  I wouldn't compare him to an always unselfish PG like Rondo who runs an incredibly intricate offense like the Celtics'.  Especially considering that the second the double team doesn't come (which it won't on a team with LeBron, Pierce, and Malone) he typically pulls the jumper.

To tack onto this one of the reasons I was considering taking rondo in this game is exactly because of how he runs the offense.  In this game you have incredible talents coming together and because of they they must take on lesser roles.

 The big three prior to coming together were putting up between 17-20 shots per game.  

In 07-08 Ray, paul, and KG all averaged between 13.5 and 13.9 ppg .  Rondo was able to keep them happy, and balance the offense, something that will be crucial to a teams success in this excercize.

[StartOrien]

I really don't get the Chris Paul hate.

In 2008-09, he scored 22.8 points on just 16.1 shots and dished out 11 assists, snagged 5.5 rebounds, and got 2.8 steals all with just 3 turnovers and 2.7 fouls.  His TS% was 59.9 and his eFG% was 52.8, both incredibly high efficiencies for PG's.  That doesn't really smack of self involved ball hog as he is being made out to seem.  Yes, he was the Hornets best player, so yes he had the ball in his hand more then many PG's, but he was incredibly unselfish and efficient and couple that with a 1st team All Defense, and he is what every PG should be.

Has there been Chris Paul hate because I haven't read the entire last 30 pages but I would have to say, I love Chris Paul. Best PG in the NBA since Stockton, IMHO.

Co sign.