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« Reply #2190 on: June 01, 2011, 06:19:26 PM »

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And Yes - I do see Nick's point of view as well.

I'd say that Rodman was certainly a better defender than Larry.

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« Reply #2191 on: June 01, 2011, 06:27:49 PM »

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What no love for Kevin Love?  Pun intended.

You picked Kevin Love?

I was thinking on him early today
Consider him this years version of best year Yao Ming.
So its a right spot for him if you ask me
a Stat staker of course there was a better stat stacker than him this year.
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« Reply #2192 on: June 01, 2011, 06:28:28 PM »

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Rank   Player   DWS
1.   Bill Russell*   133.64
2.   Kareem Abdul-Jabbar*   94.49
3.   Hakeem Olajuwon*   94.47
4.   Wilt Chamberlain*   93.92
5.   Karl Malone*   92.42
6.   Tim Duncan   85.69
7.   Elvin Hayes*   83.65
8.   Patrick Ewing*   81.42
9.   David Robinson*   80.14
10.   Kevin Garnett   79.23
11.   John Havlicek*   74.09
12.   Robert Parish*   72.98
13.   Jason Kidd   70.23
14.   Ben Wallace   69.00
15.   Dikembe Mutombo   68.53
16.   Scottie Pippen*   67.29
17.   Shaquille O'Neal   66.36
18.   John Stockton*   64.93
19.   Michael Jordan*   64.13
20.   Wes Unseld*   64.11
21.   name redacted   63.34
22.   Nate Thurmond*   62.23
23.   name redcated   61.79
24.   Jack Sikma   60.69
25.   Larry Bird*   59.03
26.   Rasheed Wallace   56.56
27.   Clifford Robinson   55.89
28.   Dave Cowens*   55.83
29.   Dennis Rodman*   54.46
30.   Moses Malone*   54.36
31.   Charles Barkley*[   53.91
32.   Shawn Marion   53.00


mmmmmm... defense.
Mmmmm, terrible measure of individual defense that credits invdividuals with weighted averages of their team's play.


So what you're saying is they'll play well defensively on a team together?

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« Reply #2193 on: June 01, 2011, 06:29:15 PM »

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So according to this stat Larry Bird is a better defensive player than Dennis Rodman?

I love me some Larry Bird but any stat that has to do with defense that has Larry higher than Rodman has to be seriously flawed.

Hey blame, KC. He was the one who came up with stats.

John Hollinger and Billy Beane are my two biggest apostles.

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« Reply #2194 on: June 01, 2011, 06:34:41 PM »

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I'd love to see where Gary Payton and Joe Dumars landed on that list.

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« Reply #2195 on: June 01, 2011, 06:44:49 PM »

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I'd love to see where Gary Payton and Joe Dumars landed on that list.

Here's the full list:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/dws_career.html

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« Reply #2196 on: June 01, 2011, 07:01:26 PM »

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I won't be around on Friday so:

1. I could use a mod who will be around to commish for a day

2. I would like to offer my 12.5 and 13.8 picks for ANY 11th rounder that way I can just complete my team tomorrow. Or...

3. If I can't do #2 I will need someone to make my picks for me.


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« Reply #2197 on: June 01, 2011, 07:08:12 PM »

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Miami:

C: Wilt Chamberlain
PF: Kevin McHale
SF: Rick Barry
SG: Mitch Richmond
PG: Isiah Thomas

Bench: C: Bob Lanier, PF: Jack Sikma SF: Tracy McGrady C/PF: Spencer Haywood

To those knocking my bench, we're rotating in an 8 time all-star in Lanier, a multiple all-star with 2 scoring titles in T-Mac as our 6th man, Jack Sikma as our stretch PF/C and Spencer Haywood is depth.

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« Reply #2198 on: June 01, 2011, 07:12:10 PM »

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Miami:

C: Wilt Chamberlain
PF: Kevin McHale
SF: Rick Barry
SG: Mitch Richmond
PG: Isiah Thomas

Bench: C: Bob Lanier, PF: Jack Sikma SF: Tracy McGrady C/PF: Spencer Haywood

To those knocking my bench, we're rotating in an 8 time all-star in Lanier, a multiple all-star with 2 scoring titles in T-Mac as our 6th man, Jack Sikma as our stretch PF/C and Spencer Haywood is depth.

I love this team, but I'm concerned with the wing defense

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« Reply #2199 on: June 01, 2011, 07:31:15 PM »

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What no love for Kevin Love?  Pun intended.

You picked Kevin Love?

I was thinking on him early today
Consider him this years version of best year Yao Ming.
So its a right spot for him if you ask me
a Stat staker of course there was a better stat stacker than him this year.
20 ppg and 15 rpg in the modern era is unheard of.  I realize defense is not a strong suit, but I can't pass that up.

I also know rebound percentage wasn't around in the 60's (first season was 70-71), but Kevin Love has the 10th best season ever, Rodman has the first seven and 8 and 9 are two guys that won't get taken in this thing, so the way I figure it, I picked up the second best rebounder from 1970 on.  Not too shabby for a 9th round pick.
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Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
Guards - Cheeks, Petrovic, Buse, Rip

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« Reply #2200 on: June 01, 2011, 08:22:51 PM »

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I think success in this particular draft relies upon balance of talent, versatility of talent and chemistry of talent both individually and team wise. I think the best teams will be made up of greatest players that excelled in every asset of the game. The well rounded player that is elite in some aspects of the game and great in most others while being a player that makes others better and exemplifies team play.

Teams that are going to be made up of players that are say elite scorers but not the best passers or defensive players won't succeed here. teams made up of defensive players that rebound but are poor offensively, not as athletic or not the best passers won't succeed here. Teams made up of a PG with supreme passing skills but lacking elsewhere, SGs that are amazing 3 point shooters but lacking elsewhere, SFs that are unreal athletic slashers that can play defense but are lacking elsewhere, PFs that can rebound better than anyone and have amazing post games but lacking elsewhere and centers that are huge and can not be stopped down low but are lacking elsewhere, just won't work here.

The individual players have to have many supreme skills as well as be versatile and have the mentality to be a team player. The team makeup has to be one of players that are proven winners that can do it all, have played amazingly with other stars and will mesh and perform on both ends of the court.

That's just my opinion but its what I built my team around and what I think succeeds in this particular draft format. Its why I think that the Bulls are one of the best teams here. We can be the best offensive team here on any given night and when we have to be. We can be the best defensive team here on any given night and when we want to be. Combined, I think that makes this team one of the best.

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« Reply #2201 on: June 01, 2011, 08:23:28 PM »

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Its funny because I had Billups and Penny on my list. Will address the wings tomorrow. Harder to draft by proxy but Nick, Roy and IP have all been great. True helpful dudes.

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« Reply #2202 on: June 01, 2011, 09:54:11 PM »

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I think success in this particular draft relies upon balance of talent, versatility of talent and chemistry of talent both individually and team wise. I think the best teams will be made up of greatest players that excelled in every asset of the game. The well rounded player that is elite in some aspects of the game and great in most others while being a player that makes others better and exemplifies team play.

Teams that are going to be made up of players that are say elite scorers but not the best passers or defensive players won't succeed here. teams made up of defensive players that rebound but are poor offensively, not as athletic or not the best passers won't succeed here. Teams made up of a PG with supreme passing skills but lacking elsewhere, SGs that are amazing 3 point shooters but lacking elsewhere, SFs that are unreal athletic slashers that can play defense but are lacking elsewhere, PFs that can rebound better than anyone and have amazing post games but lacking elsewhere and centers that are huge and can not be stopped down low but are lacking elsewhere, just won't work here.

The individual players have to have many supreme skills as well as be versatile and have the mentality to be a team player. The team makeup has to be one of players that are proven winners that can do it all, have played amazingly with other stars and will mesh and perform on both ends of the court.

That's just my opinion but its what I built my team around and what I think succeeds in this particular draft format. Its why I think that the Bulls are one of the best teams here. We can be the best offensive team here on any given night and when we have to be. We can be the best defensive team here on any given night and when we want to be. Combined, I think that makes this team one of the best.
I'm not sure your team actually does what you think it does as you have a lot of players that are deficient in a number of areas.  Rodman is terrible offensively, Durant is well below average defensively.  Maravich wouldn't know defense if it bit him on the butt.  Willis Reed isn't exactly an offensive force and was a pretty poor passer.  DJ isn't exactly a well rounded offensive player (pretty poor shooter and only an average at best passer).  Sure Magic and Walton hit what you want, but most of your team does not. 
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« Reply #2203 on: June 01, 2011, 10:33:22 PM »

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I think success in this particular draft relies upon balance of talent, versatility of talent and chemistry of talent both individually and team wise. I think the best teams will be made up of greatest players that excelled in every asset of the game. The well rounded player that is elite in some aspects of the game and great in most others while being a player that makes others better and exemplifies team play.

Teams that are going to be made up of players that are say elite scorers but not the best passers or defensive players won't succeed here. teams made up of defensive players that rebound but are poor offensively, not as athletic or not the best passers won't succeed here. Teams made up of a PG with supreme passing skills but lacking elsewhere, SGs that are amazing 3 point shooters but lacking elsewhere, SFs that are unreal athletic slashers that can play defense but are lacking elsewhere, PFs that can rebound better than anyone and have amazing post games but lacking elsewhere and centers that are huge and can not be stopped down low but are lacking elsewhere, just won't work here.

The individual players have to have many supreme skills as well as be versatile and have the mentality to be a team player. The team makeup has to be one of players that are proven winners that can do it all, have played amazingly with other stars and will mesh and perform on both ends of the court.

That's just my opinion but its what I built my team around and what I think succeeds in this particular draft format. Its why I think that the Bulls are one of the best teams here. We can be the best offensive team here on any given night and when we have to be. We can be the best defensive team here on any given night and when we want to be. Combined, I think that makes this team one of the best.
I'm not sure your team actually does what you think it does as you have a lot of players that are deficient in a number of areas.  Rodman is terrible offensively, Durant is well below average defensively.  Maravich wouldn't know defense if it bit him on the butt.  Willis Reed isn't exactly an offensive force and was a pretty poor passer.  DJ isn't exactly a well rounded offensive player (pretty poor shooter and only an average at best passer).  Sure Magic and Walton hit what you want, but most of your team does not. 
I think you severely underestimate the offensive game of Willis Reed, a 18.7 PPG for his career scorer and a player who scored over 20 PPG for 5 straight years while having a FG% around 50% for those 5 years.

I think you severely underestimate Kevin Durant's defensive capabilities as he had a PER against of 12.0 when playing against SF's and 13.9 while playing against PFs.

DJ was a excellent passer and his three point shooting was poor but his mid range game was excellent. His all around offensive game was excellent he just was a great team player that didn't look for his offense but took what the defense gave him. One of the smartest players ever.

I admit that Maravich and Rodman are specialists. Rodman defensive, maravich offensive, though he could do it all offensively, but as it stands they will be used as specialists with the other 7 players being the main rotation for now.

Walton
Gasol
Reed
Magic
West
Durant
Johnson

That's seven players that fit what I am describing. I mean I wasn't saying you draft 13 Michael Jordans. You can't. Every player will have something lacking somewhere, sometimes in more than one place. But overall, well rounded and elite in most aspects of the game individually as player and as team players.


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« Reply #2204 on: June 01, 2011, 10:35:23 PM »

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