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« Reply #2130 on: June 01, 2011, 03:51:27 PM »

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If I had to rank them

East

76ers
Heat
Bulls

a/k/a, the MJ factor?


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Re: 2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread - DRAFT IS OPEN FOR WEDS
« Reply #2131 on: June 01, 2011, 03:52:22 PM »

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If I had to rank them

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76ers
Heat
Bulls
Celtics (AI lowered the grade)
Pacers
Hawks



West

Port
Sea
Mem
Mavs
Lakers
Den
AI is a bench guy who will play a team game with talented players around him.
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« Reply #2132 on: June 01, 2011, 03:52:55 PM »

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76ers
Heat
Bulls
Celtics (AI lowered the grade)
Pacers
Hawks



West

Port
Sea
Mem
Mavs
Lakers
Den
AI is a bench guy who will play a team game with talented players around him.
Good luck selling that!

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« Reply #2133 on: June 01, 2011, 03:54:30 PM »

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76ers
Heat
Bulls
Celtics (AI lowered the grade)
Pacers
Hawks



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Port
Sea
Mem
Mavs
Lakers
Den
AI is a bench guy who will play a team game with talented players around him.


After living in Philly for most of his career, I am never going to buy that.


AI will go in believing he is the man and will cause nothing but distractions till he is in the place he think he belongs. 


AI works when AI is the only offensive threat with a defensive team built around him and an easy playoff path. 

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« Reply #2134 on: June 01, 2011, 03:55:08 PM »

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Doesn't hurt.   

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« Reply #2135 on: June 01, 2011, 03:55:18 PM »

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The matchups are what interests me in comparing the teams. My guess is that they're impossible to rank.
Which is why Hakeem isn't beating me.  He'll take out Parish, fine I won't give him the ball.  Pippen will slow down one of my wings, no big deal.  The rest of my guys are still gonna outscore them.  My team's pace is no joke.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #2136 on: June 01, 2011, 03:55:28 PM »

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Here's how I see the playoffs, based upon current rosters:

East Seeds:

1.  Chicago Bulls
2.  Miami Heat
3.  Boston Celtics

Eastern Playoffs:

3. Boston over 6. Indiana (7 games, due to Russ)
4. Philadelphia over 5. Atlanta (7 games)

1. Chicago over 4. Philadelphia (6 games)
2. Miami over 3. Boston (6 games)

1. Chicago over 2. Miami (7 games, with multiple OTs)

I'm not getting all the love for Miami. Their big guys are nice but I'm not afraid with Timmy on McHale and Ewing/Bellamy can handle Wilt as much as anyone can. After that Boston is going to just be able to run them ragged. Hondo, Clyde and English are going to score at will and our defense is unmatched. Boston can substitute a more well rounded bench with a lot of speed and accurate shooting from anywhere on the floor.

It's all pretty subjective.  I love Miami's starters, and since they'll be playing most of the game, I give them a slight edge.  I think that Isiah is a bit underrated on here; he can matchup with just about any PG in history.


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« Reply #2137 on: June 01, 2011, 03:56:06 PM »

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The matchups are what interests me in comparing the teams. My guess is that they're impossible to rank.
Which is why Hakeem isn't beating me.  He'll take out Parish, fine I won't give him the ball.  Pippen will slow down one of my wings, no big deal.  The rest of my guys are still gonna outscore them.  My team's pace is no joke.

Oh, wait I see now. Let me analyze. I'll give you a really good analysis.

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« Reply #2138 on: June 01, 2011, 03:57:40 PM »

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The matchups are what interests me in comparing the teams. My guess is that they're impossible to rank.
Which is why Hakeem isn't beating me.  He'll take out Parish, fine I won't give him the ball.  Pippen will slow down one of my wings, no big deal.  The rest of my guys are still gonna outscore them.  My team's pace is no joke.

Oh, wait I see now. Let me analyze. I'll give you a really good analysis.
Seattle
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #2139 on: June 01, 2011, 03:59:49 PM »

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East

76ers
Heat
Bulls
Celtics (AI lowered the grade)
Pacers
Hawks



West

Port
Sea
Mem
Mavs
Lakers
Den
Psh.
Philly:

Anderson Varejao    Tiago Splitter    Matt Bonner
David West    Kenyon Martin    Brad Miller
Andre Iguodala    Josh Childress    Marquis Daniels
Dwyane Wade    Leandro Barbosa
Kirk Hinrich    Toney Douglas   + the legendary Kevin McHale

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« Reply #2140 on: June 01, 2011, 04:04:18 PM »

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Boston Celtics - Chuck Daly(coach)
Tim Duncan
John Havlicek
Walt Frazier
Patrick Ewing
Allen Iverson
Alex English
Walt Bellamy
Chauncey Billups
Peja Stojakovic
Two questions for the owner of the Boston Celtics (edit: 33-00-32)

(1) Who is Boston's starting shooting guard? Hondo, English or Peja?

(2) And where does Iverson fit in? Is the the main backup combo guard or does Billups and Iverson share the backup backcourt minutes?

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Oh nevermind the first part, the lineup is in your signature. I hadn't noticed that.

Havlicek is your starting two guard and Alex English your starting SF.

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« Reply #2141 on: June 01, 2011, 04:06:24 PM »

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Seattle Supersonics - Phil Jackson(coach)
Hakeem Olajawon
Scottie Pippen
Dave Cowens
Jason Kidd
Reggie Miller
Grant Hill
Wes Unseld
Anfernee Hardaway

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Denver Nuggets - Bill Russell(coach)
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Clyde Drexler
Elvin Hayes
Robert Parish
Rasheed Wallace
Earl Monroe
Jerry Lucas
Mark Aguirre

I got Seattle taking this one, Mgent. I think Hill/Pippen make life difficult for your wings and slow them down. And I don't think you have the offensive fire power to offset that.

7 games series: I think Seattle takes it in 6.
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« Reply #2142 on: June 01, 2011, 04:09:07 PM »

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« Reply #2143 on: June 01, 2011, 04:14:47 PM »

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Seattle Supersonics - Phil Jackson(coach)
Hakeem Olajawon
Scottie Pippen
Dave Cowens
Jason Kidd
Reggie Miller
Grant Hill
Wes Unseld
Anfernee Hardaway

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Denver Nuggets - Bill Russell(coach)
Oscar Robertson
Julius Erving
Clyde Drexler
Elvin Hayes
Robert Parish
Rasheed Wallace
Earl Monroe
Jerry Lucas
Mark Aguirre

I got Seattle taking this one, Mgent. I think Hill/Pippen make life difficult for your wings and slow them down. And I don't think you have the offensive fire power to offset that.

7 games series: I think Seattle takes it in 6.


If any team was going to 'slow down' Denver, it was gonna be Seattle. Hill/Pippen/Miller/Hardaway/Kidd won's lack for size or ability, in fact whoever Denver has playing the 3 when Grant Hill is in there might get a bit victimized themselves.

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« Reply #2144 on: June 01, 2011, 04:14:48 PM »

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So Roy - What are your reasons why LA is ranked so low in your opinion?

Well, first, they're the Lakers. ;)

But no, in all seriousness, the West is a blood bath.  They're all great teams, and I second-guessed myself ranking a team with Kareem / KG up front last in anything.

What it came down to is I just didn't see the same dominant talent on LA as on some other squads.  Kareem and KG certainly dominated their eras, but guys like Worthy, Dumars, Payton, Majerle, and certainly Ben Wallace were all a step below that level, in my mind.

No hard feelings; it's all very, very subjective.  Your starting big men are probably my favorite in the game.  On balance, though, I like some of the other squads better.

Balance?

I think that there is faulty logic there in trying to assemble a team based off of players who dominated their eras.

A team must have balance and chemistry.

Ben Wallace? He's only a 4-time consecutive Defensive Player of the year and a great rebounder. He fits our Bigs quite well. He does the dirty work and doesn't need the ball to do it.

I bet any other team on here would love to have Ben Wallace. I could also fit him in as a PF in some cases, next to Kareem and KG at the 3.

And yes - we all know that Kevin Garnett played every spot in Minny at times.

"Certainly Ben Wallace?" C'mon Roy surely you jest.

Quote me on this: I look at Ben Wallace as Kendrick Perkins on steroids. ;D What I mean is that yes he is limited offensively but even then his hands were better than Perk's and he could catch an Alley-oop from GP or Rondo (Love Ya, Perk).

And you just cannot discount the Defense of Ben Wallace.

Elton Brand? Fits yet another role quite well in that he is a polished offensive player on the blocks. His best days were in Clipper land and not many could stop him.

I think Elton's only fault is that..well, he played for the Clips during his best years. Not much recognition, there.

Worthy? NBA Finals MVP. His connection to Kareem will only contribute to team comeraderie. Again - with Worthy I'm not depending on him to carry the team, but I think you are under-rating what he does for my LA team in this draft- in that he is a almost unguardable SF.

Ask Larry. I cringed many days as a DieHard Celtics Fan as Worthy would blow by Larry (and McHale). If you were slow-footed, James Worthy ate your lunch, period.

That 86-87 series was bloody. I hated it.

Gary Payton? Only 9 All NBA 1st Team Defensive Player of the year awards, plus a fine all-around player and scorer. Don't forget 95-96 Defensive player of the Year. I've already discussed with IP his limitations as far as a shooter, but he did have a few spot years with decent 3pt %.

No one's perfect - not even Gary Payton.

It was him and Shawn Kemp that took Michael (and Scotty) to 6 games in the early 90's.

Joe Dumars? Besides being recognized by Michael Jordan as a player that slows him down, his accomplishments feature 4 1st Team All NBA Defensive player of the year awards - and an 88-89 Finals MVP.

Joe Dumars is also a fine scorer AND shooter - he averaged over 38% from Deep over his career.

I didn't pick Dan Majerle to carry the offense, but he certainly spreads the floor and is a glue guy. Barkley loved playing with him. He has been noted with a couple of 2nd Team defensive awards and he helps to spread things out for us. He averaged over 38% shooting from deep for 3 seasons. Thunder Dan can also play the SG spot. He adds size to the SG spot, too.

Look - I'm not going to bag on someone's team here, but I just don't see Denver as beating LA in a series - in this draft format.

If you wish, Roy - you can fault me for not picking the Superstars, but only trying to go after guys who fit better in a team concept.