2011 CB Historical Draft - Draft Thread

[WeMadeIt17]

I just wanna hear some of the reason The Hawks get no love?

[Edgar]

I just wanna hear some of the reason The Hawks get no love?

Because I still have to put my vote to talk

[Roy H.]

I just wanna hear some of the reason The Hawks get no love?

K-O-B-E

[Moranis]

Any thoughts on my expected rotation and minutes

PG - Paul 38, Goodrich 8, Robertson 2
SG - Pierce 30, Greer 15, Robertson 3
SF - James 35, Cunningham 10, Jones 3, Vandeweghe 0
PF - McAdoo 30, Jones 12, Love 6
C - Malone 35, Daugherty 13, McAdoo 0

Obviously game situations would dictate a great deal of both starter and bench minutes.  If I'm trailing and need offense then Kiki and Love would be getting a lot more minutes, and if I want to preserve a lead, Jones would probably be in the starting unit (and perhaps Robertson as well).

[Roy H.]

Any thoughts on my expected rotation and minutes

PG - Paul 38, Goodrich 8, Robertson 2
SG - Pierce 30, Greer 15, Robertson 3
SF - James 35, Cunningham 10, Jones 3, Vandeweghe 0
PF - McAdoo 30, Jones 12, Love 6
C - Malone 35, Daugherty 13, McAdoo 0

Obviously game situations would dictate a great deal of both starter and bench minutes.  If I'm trailing and need offense then Kiki and Love would be getting a lot more minutes, and if I want to preserve a lead, Jones would probably be in the starting unit (and perhaps Robertson as well).

I think that's a pretty fair lineup.  I guess I probably would have Love as part of my "regular" rotation, and I could see ticking James' and Malone's minutes upward, but it looks pretty good to me.

[WeMadeIt17]

I just wanna hear some of the reason The Hawks get no love?

K-O-B-E

Ok..

[Fafnir]

Any thoughts on my expected rotation and minutes

PG - Paul 38, Goodrich 8, Robertson 2
SG - Pierce 30, Greer 15, Robertson 3
SF - James 35, Cunningham 10, Jones 3, Vandeweghe 0
PF - McAdoo 30, Jones 12, Love 6
C - Malone 35, Daugherty 13, McAdoo 0

Obviously game situations would dictate a great deal of both starter and bench minutes.  If I'm trailing and need offense then Kiki and Love would be getting a lot more minutes, and if I want to preserve a lead, Jones would probably be in the starting unit (and perhaps Robertson as well).

I think that's a pretty fair lineup.  I guess I probably would have Love as part of my "regular" rotation, and I could see ticking James' and Malone's minutes upward, but it looks pretty good to me.

Yeah I don't see much point in going beyond a 9 man rotation, not unless you're running a very fast break orientated team.

[Moranis]

Any thoughts on my expected rotation and minutes

PG - Paul 38, Goodrich 8, Robertson 2
SG - Pierce 30, Greer 15, Robertson 3
SF - James 35, Cunningham 10, Jones 3, Vandeweghe 0
PF - McAdoo 30, Jones 12, Love 6
C - Malone 35, Daugherty 13, McAdoo 0

Obviously game situations would dictate a great deal of both starter and bench minutes.  If I'm trailing and need offense then Kiki and Love would be getting a lot more minutes, and if I want to preserve a lead, Jones would probably be in the starting unit (and perhaps Robertson as well).

I think that's a pretty fair lineup.  I guess I probably would have Love as part of my "regular" rotation, and I could see ticking James' and Malone's minutes upward, but it looks pretty good to me.

My thinking on Love and Jones is that McAdoo is such an offensive force, but just an average defender, that I wanted the main backup to be the opposite of him i.e. a superstar defender (Love is essentially a lesser version of McAdoo, superb scorer and rebounder but average defender).  And I know Jones isn't a scoring machine, but he is actually a pretty efficient offensive player (15.1 ppg on 57% shooting) so it isn't like he is a Rodman or Wallace on that end of the floor.  I do want Love in the game and figure that 6 minutes actually makes him a fairly regular rotation guy.

I have considered cutting Robertson out of the rotation all together and just giving more minutes to Goodrich and Pierce, and then just using Alvin when I need the defense in spot situations.  

I think there will be definite games where James and Malone are playing 40 minutes, but I wanted to try and limit their regular minutes so that they could rest more and be better at the end and also so their backups would be able to get more minutes and get into a better flow.  Though I might cut Jones out of the SF slot and give those to James and may up tick Moses a few and reduce Daugherty.  

[Roy H.]

I just wanna hear some of the reason The Hawks get no love?

K-O-B-E

Ok..

I think a lot of my own personal bias against Kobe stems from the very same "5 time champion" argument that you're making.  I think Kobe gets a bit too much credit for the first three championships; Shaq was clearly the best player on those teams.  Even in his most recent championship, Kobe struggled mightily in Game 7, but his teammates and the refs bailed him out. 

It's hypocritical, I know, because most of us usually point to a ring as a validator of a player.  However, with Kobe, I think the championships have actually overrated him.

I think you have to take a deeper look at Kobe.  In my mind, he's never been much of a team player, and has gotten by on talent alone.  That works in the real NBA, because almost nobody is as talented as him.  In a league full of superstars, though, I think that playing nice with others becomes a bigger factor.  It's one of the reasons I'm not a fan of AI, Vince Carter, or Gilbert Arenas in this exercise, either.

I do think you've really improved your team from its early beginnings, but I still don't see them as elite compared to the other teams in this draft.

[Who]

Dallas was a team that used its greatest players in its starting lineup, but I thought that Manu might actually be a better starter, since he's more of a facilitator than Gervin ever was.  Next to Baylor, you don't need another scorer like Gervin in the starting lineup.

I like this idea a lot. Give that starting lineup a bit more cohesiveness and fluidity to their play. More ball movement.

More than enough scoring with Shaq, Baylor and Petitt dominating the offense.

A guy like Manu Ginobili who is stronger in the non-scoring elements of the game than Gervin would be a better fit + Gervin would be a lethal scoring sixth man when he comes off the bench.

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I would have loved to have seen Dallas draft another wing player with above average ball-handling, passing and playmaking ability (another high level unselfish creator off the dribble) to allow Manu Ginobili to play the PG spot.

I think Manu is a better PG than Deron Williams in this fantasy game. With his length and activity defensively as well as ability to be a creator without dominating the ball as much as some of today's PGs do (although Deron is one of the better ones at not doing that).

[Who]

Any thoughts on my expected rotation and minutes

SF - James 35, Cunningham 10, Jones 3, Vandeweghe 0
PF - McAdoo 30, Jones 12, Love 6

I loved the Bobby Jones draft pick. Terrific glue guy for this game.

Excellent man-to-man defender + excellent team defender + creates turnovers, blocks shots, gets steals, deflections, very long and active + very strong rebounder + gets your team extra possessions + great size (6-9), quickness, length and overall athleticism + versatility in his ability to play and defend 2 through 4 + always makes the extra pass and facilitates ball movement (very unselfish)

And he is a hugely efficient complementary scorer. Won't shoot too much but he'll add a couple of high percentage baskets and punish teams who forget about him due to his low number of shot attempts.

A guy who is going to have a big say on the outcome of the game without needing the ball in his hands ... a great trait in this type of setting where you have so many talented offensive players.

[indeedproceed]

Question: How is this thing being rated? Is it as a playoff type thing, or as a regular season type thing, or as a 'one game, one time, who is the best team' type thing? Matchups? Eh?

[StartOrien]

5.  Indiana -- I like starting Marion over Rice.  I'd probably give Mourning's PF minutes to Kemp.

To be clear, those PF minutes would really be Russell's (with Mourning playing the 5), I just thought it'd be easier to list it that way.

[Roy H.]

Question: How is this thing being rated? Is it as a playoff type thing, or as a regular season type thing, or as a 'one game, one time, who is the best team' type thing? Matchups? Eh?

There are no standards; each panelist decides subjectively, based upon their own criteria.

Presumably, the teams folks put together are going to be asked to play basketball against each other, but if a panelist decided that they're going to judge upon a teams gardening ability, that's probably legit, too.

[StartOrien]

I've been thinking about for a little while this morning and I cannot warm to the idea of Allen Iverson in this fantasy game setting.

I could see Iverson playing the role that Nate Robinson had for us last year. You're going to let him play each game, but you'd be quick to pull him if he wasn't 'the good Allen Iverson'