My final thread on the trade

[KGDunks]

Wow Jeff Green will be way better than Perkins in the long run. The trade was fine it wouldn't have had to be made if there weren't so many injuries

[LilRip]

hmm, i think what we needed to do was trade Glen Davis

[KGDunks]

Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. Glen Davis that dude has been missing for months. He's the guy you should blame. The Heat are having two or three guys off the bench performing for us it's just Delonte and Green.

[vinnie]

Wow Jeff Green will be way better than Perkins in the long run. The trade was fine it wouldn't have had to be made if there weren't so many injuries

Jeff Green will always be a soft player. Please trade him Danny.

[Roy H.]

I still don't like the trade, and I think Perk would have stopped a lot of Miami's penetration and would have helped on the boards (which was an issue last night).  That said, I don't really expect anybody to change their minds at this point.

Going forward, I don't really see Jeff Green as much more than a role player; I don't think he's a guy you can build around.  I'm hopeful that the Clippers pick at least yields a good player, although the draft is always a crap shoot.

[LooseCannon]

I look at this series and I think that Ainge correctly diagnosed that this team needed more depth behind both KG and PP.  He may have overestimated the probability that Shaq would be healthy, but I think he was correct in his assessment of how much of a dropoff there would be from Perk to two O'Neals who are healthy enough to play.

I think Ainge envisioned Green not just replacing Marquis Daniels but also taking minutes away from Glen Davis.  Did Green fail to rise to the occasion?  Did Doc fail to give him a chance or trust too much in Big Baby? 

I suspect it was just too late and a trade that should have been made earlier, but Ainge waited too long until injuries to Daniels and Perkins forced his hand.

[CelticsGuy34]

Perk stinks especially after these 2 injures, the one in the finals and the one once he came back

hes getting destroyed by marc gasol, Destroyed , and hes not scoring or doing anything

he sucks and wouldnt have helped this series

[CelticsGuy34]

ainge made the right call in trading him

i like jeff green but Gerald wallace would have been really perfect but we would have had to overpay for him with a few picks being sent out

[wdleehi]

I still don't like the trade, and I think Perk would have stopped a lot of Miami's penetration and would have helped on the boards (which was an issue last night).  That said, I don't really expect anybody to change their minds at this point.

Going forward, I don't really see Jeff Green as much more than a role player; I don't think he's a guy you can build around.  I'm hopeful that the Clippers pick at least yields a good player, although the draft is always a crap shoot.

Sums up my thought.


Last night was a replay of last years game 7.


Replace Wallace with JO

Nate with West

TA with Green


Injured Perk with Injured Shaq.




Wasn't the offseason about adding big bodies so that would never happen again?  What happened?  Short term memory loss?

[Tai]

I was just discussing today how the trade turned out to be good for the celts.  The only asset Perk brings to the table is guarding strong, offensive centers.  Dwight is out and Lakers are out.  He could help guard Z-Bo if we meet him and that's about it now.  In return, we got Jeff Green who can back up the wing.  If we hadn't got him, we'd be rolling Pavlovic out there for 20 minutes per night.  And we get another year out of Green where Perk would be gone.  It turned out to be a good trade I think.

First, Danny could have looked elsewhere for a backup 3. Second, has Jeff Green given this team much more than Pavolic would have? Finally, it seems no one in OKC misses Green and Krstic.

You weren't around at the trade deadline, were you? You know, when there were tweets of Danny looking for a backup 3 in every corner of the NBA? He was trying to get Jared Dudley, Wright from Golden State (one of them anyways),  and of course Anthony Parker. Look elsewhere? Danny looked everywhere. You're essentially arguing he didn't based on hindsight. I think a lot of people would have taken Jeff Green over many of those guys.

Do you really hate Jeff Green that badly, or are you just mad we gave up Perkins to get him?

[vinnie]

Perk stinks especially after these 2 injures, the one in the finals and the one once he came back

hes getting destroyed by marc gasol, Destroyed , and hes not scoring or doing anything

he sucks and wouldnt have helped this series

Which team won last night, the Boston Celtics or the OKC Thunder? Perk stinks? Wow. Did he stink all 7 years as a Celtic?

[dlpin]

Sums up my thought.


Last night was a replay of last years game 7.


Replace Wallace with JO

Nate with West

TA with Green


Injured Perk with Injured Shaq.




Wasn't the offseason about adding big bodies so that would never happen again?  What happened?  Short term memory loss?

Short term memory loss is forgetting that during last year's finals we went small because we didn't have anyone, while last night Doc CHOSE not to play the big men we had. This is totally apples and oranges and to make this comparison while questioning people's memories is nonsense.

In the finals we played a cramped up Sheed 36 minutes and allowed 23 offensive rebounds because of a lack of big men. Last night we played Jermaine Oneal 28 minutes and didn't play him more because Doc CHOSE not to, and we allowed 10 offensive rebounds.

Which team won last night, the Boston Celtics or the OKC Thunder? Perk stinks? Wow. Did he stink all 7 years as a Celtic?

Was that because of Perkins? Or despite him failing to box out Randolph late in the game, fouling him, missing 2 potentially game winning free throws, allowing 24 offensive rebounds, and having more fouls (6) than points (4) and more turnovers (3) than blocks (0)?


Perkins was very nice here in Boston as a role player. He is nowhere near as effective as he once was, and being utterly dominated by Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph shows that.

[mctyson]

Maybe the Celts would still be down 3-1 even if they had Perk, but the bottom line is the trade was not a good one. The Celts got back nothing to help them in this trade. When we look at it in the future, that will be the conclusion. The Celts got nothing for Perk.

This statment makes no sense.  First and foremost, the Celtics got a 1st round draft pick for Perkins, so right off the bat your comment "The Celts got nothing for Perk" is factually wrong.

Second - Jeff Green has been a valuable addition to this team.  His defense on James in Game 3 was top notch and he did another decent job against him last night when Lebron was at the top of his game.  I'd note that Lebron scored 20 in the first quarter, mostly against Pierce.  There is no one else on the team right now who can provide what Green provides off the bench. The problem is that this team is so desperate for offense right now that there are no minutes for Greeen because Pierce has to be on the floor as much as possible, and they need KG's defense and rebounding.  I liked the lineup last night with KG at the 5, JG at the 4, Pierce at the 3, Ray at the 2 and D-West at 1...that's the best offensive lineup they can put out on the court.  Rondo at less than 90% health is an offensive liability.

Follwing that point, Green is only 24 years old, a 6'10" 3/4 combo with range and - as we are seeing - defensive ability.  He needs to be tougher on the boards.  He also needs to PLAY MORE.  We simply haven't seen enough of what he can do.  That will happen next year, and by that time Danny can determine if he wants to resign him or trade his expiring contract.

Finally - I want all the Perkins lovers to remember that he is now a 4-year @ $9 million per player who last time gave OKC 4 pts and 8 boards, with -10 +/-, in 35 min of a 3-Overtime critical playoff game.  He is arguably the worst offensive 5 in the league and has terrible hands. He's an average rebounder and above-average to good defensive player.  I'd take Zaza Pachulia for half the price over Perk any day.

Danny Ainge has been completely vindicated by the trade.  He made a calculated gamble that Orlando was nothing to worry about and that the Lakers wouldn't make it out of the West.  He was right on both accounts.  He traded for JG because he knew that to get to the EC Finals, the Celtics would have to go through Lebron James and Dwayne Wade, and he needed another perimeter player to deal with them.  I am so glad that he is the GM of my team because of this type of move.

[wdleehi]

Sums up my thought.


Last night was a replay of last years game 7.


Replace Wallace with JO

Nate with West

TA with Green


Injured Perk with Injured Shaq.




Wasn't the offseason about adding big bodies so that would never happen again?  What happened?  Short term memory loss?

Short term memory loss is forgetting that during last year's finals we went small because we didn't have anyone, while last night Doc CHOSE not to play the big men we had. This is totally apples and oranges and to make this comparison while questioning people's memories is nonsense.

In the finals we played a cramped up Sheed 36 minutes and allowed 23 offensive rebounds because of a lack of big men. Last night we played Jermaine Oneal 28 minutes and didn't play him more because Doc CHOSE not to, and we allowed 10 offensive rebounds.

Does that make it better?  


If he had a big man he trusted (Perk), the Celtics likely play a lot more minutes with two big men.  (why else does Davis play so many minutes despite his poor play of lately)



Not to mention, Wallace rebounds more like a SF then a C at that point.  

[wdleehi]

Maybe the Celts would still be down 3-1 even if they had Perk, but the bottom line is the trade was not a good one. The Celts got back nothing to help them in this trade. When we look at it in the future, that will be the conclusion. The Celts got nothing for Perk.

This statment makes no sense.  First and foremost, the Celtics got a 1st round draft pick for Perkins, so right off the bat your comment "The Celts got nothing for Perk" is factually wrong.

Second - Jeff Green has been a valuable addition to this team.  His defense on James in Game 3 was top notch and he did another decent job against him last night when Lebron was at the top of his game.  I'd note that Lebron scored 20 in the first quarter, mostly against Pierce.  There is no one else on the team right now who can provide what Green provides off the bench. The problem is that this team is so desperate for offense right now that there are no minutes for Greeen because Pierce has to be on the floor as much as possible, and they need KG's defense and rebounding.  I liked the lineup last night with KG at the 5, JG at the 4, Pierce at the 3, Ray at the 2 and D-West at 1...that's the best offensive lineup they can put out on the court.  Rondo at less than 90% health is an offensive liability.

Follwing that point, Green is only 24 years old, a 6'10" 3/4 combo with range and - as we are seeing - defensive ability.  He needs to be tougher on the boards.  He also needs to PLAY MORE.  We simply haven't seen enough of what he can do.  That will happen next year, and by that time Danny can determine if he wants to resign him or trade his expiring contract.

Finally - I want all the Perkins lovers to remember that he is now a 4-year @ $9 million per player who last time gave OKC 4 pts and 8 boards, with -10 +/-, in 35 min of a 3-Overtime critical playoff game.  He is arguably the worst offensive 5 in the league and has terrible hands. He's an average rebounder and above-average to good defensive player.  I'd take Zaza Pachulia for half the price over Perk any day.

Danny Ainge has been completely vindicated by the trade.  He made a calculated gamble that Orlando was nothing to worry about and that the Lakers wouldn't make it out of the West.  He was right on both accounts.  He traded for JG because he knew that to get to the EC Finals, the Celtics would have to go through Lebron James and Dwayne Wade, and he needed another perimeter player to deal with them.  I am so glad that he is the GM of my team because of this type of move.

 Best record in the East to on the ledge of being knocked out in the 2nd round is vindication?  On a win now team?