The Celtics MUST Call Out the Refs and the League

[Mr October]

There were some questionable calls in this game. Some serious momentum shifters. However, Miami also simply outplayed and out-executed Boston yesterday.

Miami deserves to be up 1-0. I'm ready for game 2! Go Celtics!!

[jpurthe1]

No need to call out the referees. The media has done a great job for us. This tells all refs to watch their P's and Q's.

[CelticG1]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

I don't know if this is entirely true. They were both equal with points in the paint at 26. Are you just going with the eye test? I thought the Celts were going to the hole a lot actually in particular both Rondo and Pierce but they weren't getting any calls.

foul shots don't count as points in the paint.  So unless it is an and 1, they don't show up.

So you are basing it on the eye test?

Or because they had more free throws that automatically means that they attacked the hoop more?

I'll base it on the eye test.  The Heat were absolutely more aggressive going to the hoop, particularly in the first half.  And more importantly, the C's were more consistently late on their backside help, which always leads to foul shots.

I'd just like to see something that backs this up rather than people's opinions. Did they have more shots at the rim than the Celtics?

It's kind of a vague statement to just say the Heat were more aggressive going to the hoop than the Celtics and then not backing any of it up

[Moranis]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

I don't know if this is entirely true. They were both equal with points in the paint at 26. Are you just going with the eye test? I thought the Celts were going to the hole a lot actually in particular both Rondo and Pierce but they weren't getting any calls.

foul shots don't count as points in the paint.  So unless it is an and 1, they don't show up.

So you are basing it on the eye test?

Or because they had more free throws that automatically means that they attacked the hoop more?

I'll base it on the eye test.  The Heat were absolutely more aggressive going to the hoop, particularly in the first half.  And more importantly, the C's were more consistently late on their backside help, which always leads to foul shots.

I'd just like to see something that backs this up rather than people's opinions. Did they have more shots at the rim than the Celtics?

It's kind of a vague statement to just say the Heat were more aggressive going to the hoop than the Celtics and then not backing any of it up

It was based on an eye test.  According to the shot chart both teams guards/wings (if you include Green) shot 18 balls in the paint.  Of course Miami made 12 to Boston's 6.  Wade alone made 7, more then the entire Celtic team. 

[CelticG1]

Miami won because it was the more aggressive team.  I mean if you look at the stats they are almost identical, except Miami had significantly more foul shots (but the actual fouls were pretty close).  When you are constantly driving to the hole and the other team is not, you are going to win more times then not.

I don't know if this is entirely true. They were both equal with points in the paint at 26. Are you just going with the eye test? I thought the Celts were going to the hole a lot actually in particular both Rondo and Pierce but they weren't getting any calls.

foul shots don't count as points in the paint.  So unless it is an and 1, they don't show up.

So you are basing it on the eye test?

Or because they had more free throws that automatically means that they attacked the hoop more?

I'll base it on the eye test.  The Heat were absolutely more aggressive going to the hoop, particularly in the first half.  And more importantly, the C's were more consistently late on their backside help, which always leads to foul shots.

I'd just like to see something that backs this up rather than people's opinions. Did they have more shots at the rim than the Celtics?

It's kind of a vague statement to just say the Heat were more aggressive going to the hoop than the Celtics and then not backing any of it up

It was based on an eye test.  According to the shot chart both teams guards/wings (if you include Green) shot 18 balls in the paint.  Of course Miami made 12 to Boston's 6.  Wade alone made 7, more then the entire Celtic team. 

So they both attacked the rim the same amount but Miami converted more or got a foul call for them?

[Greenback]

Miami had 32 free throws; Boston had 18 free throws

Why was Pierce tossed when Wade committed the foul?

I think it is in the league's financial interest to NOT hype the LeBron's and Kobe's and let the best team win - fairly.  Fans would like that more.

[ejk3489]

Not that it really matters now but...

#Heat forward James Jone's tech has been rescinded, but the foul he committed has been upgraded to a flagrant-1. And Jermaine's flagrant foul has been downgraded to a personal foul.

http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN

[CelticG1]

Not that it really matters now but...

#Heat forward James Jone's tech has been rescinded, but the foul he committed has been upgraded to a flagrant-1. And Jermaine's flagrant foul has been downgraded to a personal foul.

http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN

no word on the Wade foul? very very interesting

[Chris]

Not that it really matters now but...

#Heat forward James Jone's tech has been rescinded, but the foul he committed has been upgraded to a flagrant-1. And Jermaine's flagrant foul has been downgraded to a personal foul.

http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN

no word on the Wade foul? very very interesting

Why would there be anything about the Wade foul?  Just like JO's shouldn't have been a flagrant, Wade's wasn't even close to one.  This is the playoffs.  Guys will run into each other hard. 

I am glad the league is recognizing it, they just need to remember to send the memo to Ed Malloy.

[CelticG1]

Not that it really matters now but...

#Heat forward James Jone's tech has been rescinded, but the foul he committed has been upgraded to a flagrant-1. And Jermaine's flagrant foul has been downgraded to a personal foul.

http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN

no word on the Wade foul? very very interesting

Why would there be anything about the Wade foul?  Just like JO's shouldn't have been a flagrant, Wade's wasn't even close to one.  This is the playoffs.  Guys will run into each other hard. 

I am glad the league is recognizing it, they just need to remember to send the memo to Ed Malloy.

I thought the Wade foul was worse than Jones'

I don't even think you can compare the JO one to that.

He lowered his shoulder not even trying to get around the pick and if Pierce wasn't so big he would have LEVELED a smaller guy.

There is no doubt that if someone does that same thing in an upcoming game that it will be called accordingly.

[manbehindtheman]

Crying about fouls is just too impotent a thing to do.  We were outplayed and outhustled. We didn't deserve that win.   

[MBz]

There are other, more important things the Celtics need to do than calling out the refs.  I'm not sure if this has been brought up, but Paul Pierce took 1 more shot than Ray Allen yesterday in 7 less minutes and was ejected with 7 left in the 4th.  That needs to change, Pierce had 1 great game against the Knicks, the rest have been subpar.  Allen has had one poor game, and 4 really good ones, it's time to let him be the #1 option. 

[Finkelskyhook]

Crying about fouls is just too impotent a thing to do.  We were outplayed and outhustled. We didn't deserve that win.   

Sad part is when O'Neal was called for that ridiculous flagrant we were in the middle of a run.  As bad as we were outplayed and outhustled, we were right in this game then.  The point swing from that pathetic call was monumental.  The calls on Pierce were just gravy.

That we were in this game at all....Considering that 3 of our 4 best players and our bench barely showed up....Along with some of the most blatantly one-sided officiating I've seen...Speaks to who will win this series.

[droopdog7]

Not that it really matters now but...

#Heat forward James Jone's tech has been rescinded, but the foul he committed has been upgraded to a flagrant-1. And Jermaine's flagrant foul has been downgraded to a personal foul.

http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN

no word on the Wade foul? very very interesting

Why would there be anything about the Wade foul?  Just like JO's shouldn't have been a flagrant, Wade's wasn't even close to one.  This is the playoffs.  Guys will run into each other hard. 

I am glad the league is recognizing it, they just need to remember to send the memo to Ed Malloy.

I thought the Wade foul was worse than Jones'

I don't even think you can compare the JO one to that.

He lowered his shoulder not even trying to get around the pick and if Pierce wasn't so big he would have LEVELED a smaller guy.

There is no doubt that if someone does that same thing in an upcoming game that it will be called accordingly.

Agree 100%.  As Doc mentioned in the post game, wade's foul as much more obvious.  It wasn't a basketball play and it was INTENTIONAL.  But if that's the way it is going to be, then we should be allowed to lower our shoulder, run full speed, and just level a guy.  He body blocked PP.

Unfortunately, the refs get too caught up in how a play looks.  Jones flops and gets a flagrant called in his favor.  PP is a man and doesn't.  Had that been Rondo, he might have ended up in the first row.

[MBz]

Not that it really matters now but...

#Heat forward James Jone's tech has been rescinded, but the foul he committed has been upgraded to a flagrant-1. And Jermaine's flagrant foul has been downgraded to a personal foul.

http://twitter.com/SherrodbCSN

no word on the Wade foul? very very interesting

Why would there be anything about the Wade foul?  Just like JO's shouldn't have been a flagrant, Wade's wasn't even close to one.  This is the playoffs.  Guys will run into each other hard. 

I am glad the league is recognizing it, they just need to remember to send the memo to Ed Malloy.

I thought the Wade foul was worse than Jones'

I don't even think you can compare the JO one to that.

He lowered his shoulder not even trying to get around the pick and if Pierce wasn't so big he would have LEVELED a smaller guy.

There is no doubt that if someone does that same thing in an upcoming game that it will be called accordingly.

Agree 100%.  As Doc mentioned in the post game, wade's foul as much more obvious.  It wasn't a basketball play and it was INTENTIONAL.  But if that's the way it is going to be, then we should be allowed to lower our shoulder, run full speed, and just level a guy.  He body blocked PP.

Unfortunately, the refs get too caught up in how a play looks.  Jones flops and gets a flagrant called in his favor.  PP is a man and doesn't.  Had that been Rondo, he might have ended up in the first row.

If we're going to start giving out flagrants for Wade on that, then the leagues going to be giving out a whole lot of flagrants fouls. What Wade did was a personal foul, nothing more.  Also, I think we need to stop saying he lowered his shoulder, he didn't lower his shoulder, he lead with his shoulder.  There's a big difference.  It was nothing more than a personal foul.