Jeff Green

[Marcus13]

the next series is the one they got Green for, so that they can have him throw a body on James for 15 minutes a game and spare Pierce the physical exertion.

[BballTim]

Lighten up, Francis.

What? Not sure what you mean by that.

Anyway, I was just trying to explain to you why and how your point that "you can't say a player played poorly in 4 games because the sample is small" was silly. I think you finally got it.

  I think I got that you don't get that 4 games is a small sample size.

Are you just trying to troll or something? If so, just say it and I'll save time.

Four games is a small sample size for what? The sample of what? What's the population in this case?

Anyway, he played poorly in those 4 games. I'm not really sure how you can't understand this - player X player poorly in this period - but this has nothing to do with sample size. Sample size is about making inferences (extracting conclusions from a sample to a larger population) and here nobody is making them.

Do you know what an inference is?

  Sigh. Yes, I know what an inference is. Most, if not all posters here do. Obviously I wasn't saying that 4 games is too small a sample size to say he was playing poorly in this series, but too small to say he's not fulfilling his role on the team. You seem to be more interested in insulting people than discussing anything, that's probably why you missed this.

[barefacedmonk]

Okay, this conversation stops here. Getting tired of your rudeness and reckless accusations and assumptions.  

The rest of your post is beyond pathetic

Seriously? You are accusing him of being rude? Go back and read your replies:

Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

do you have a legit basketball point to make or not?

Are you just trying to troll or something? If so, just say it and I'll save time. Do you know what an inference is?

Who is being the rude one here? If you can't handle an argument without insulting others opinions, then don't post. Nobody in this thread has been rude to you.

[GreenEnvy]

the next series is the one they got Green for, so that they can have him throw a body on James for 15 minutes a game and spare Pierce the physical exertion.

Yep.

And don't underestimate his help on 'Melo either. I can't think of two tougher assignments in a row than 'Melo and LeBron.

Rondo can have his hands full with Rose and Westbrook in a ECF/Finals matchup, but at least West is a great defender behind him.

[Who]

Rondo can have his hands full with Rose and Westbrook in a ECF/Finals matchup, but at least West is a great defender behind him.

I don't think Delonte West is that good of a defender. He is a very good help defender but he struggles against quick / explosive PGs and someone like Derrick Rose is a very problematic matchup for him.

[Atzar]

Rondo can have his hands full with Rose and Westbrook in a ECF/Finals matchup, but at least West is a great defender behind him.

I don't think Delonte West is that good of a defender. He is a very good help defender but he struggles against quick / explosive PGs and someone like Derrick Rose is a very problematic matchup for him.

Who doesn't struggle against those players, though?  I can't really think of anybody in the league who can consistently stay in front of the quicker PG's right now.  Honestly, it seems like the best defense against a very quick point guard is a very big center.

[barefacedmonk]

Rondo can have his hands full with Rose and Westbrook in a ECF/Finals matchup, but at least West is a great defender behind him.

I don't think Delonte West is that good of a defender. He is a very good help defender but he struggles against quick / explosive PGs and someone like Derrick Rose is a very problematic matchup for him.

Who doesn't struggle against those players

Maybe Who should be on our roster.

[Atzar]

Rondo can have his hands full with Rose and Westbrook in a ECF/Finals matchup, but at least West is a great defender behind him.

I don't think Delonte West is that good of a defender. He is a very good help defender but he struggles against quick / explosive PGs and someone like Derrick Rose is a very problematic matchup for him.

Who doesn't struggle against those players

Maybe Who should be on our roster.

Hahaha, TP.  Well played.

[GreenEnvy]

Rondo can have his hands full with Rose and Westbrook in a ECF/Finals matchup, but at least West is a great defender behind him.

I don't think Delonte West is that good of a defender. He is a very good help defender but he struggles against quick / explosive PGs and someone like Derrick Rose is a very problematic matchup for him.

I disagree completely.

He came up with a couple of nice plays tonight alone. The more PT he gets, the better rhythm he will get into on both ends.

He keeps guys in front of him, even if he has to give up room for them to take a shot, which his size/length can still bother that shot.

We have seen Rose is vulnerable hitting a jumper consistently (awful actually in the playoffs thus far). Westbrook is a better shooter, but not as dangerous off the dribble (which isn't saying much because Rose is awe-strikingly quick).  

[snowball]

i'm willing to keep cutting Green some slack.
just too much potential to ignore.

maybe we should play VON a bit to rattle him.

[LB3533]

Our bench really showed up today to help us build our double digit lead in the 1st half.

Green will play better, just like Baby did today.

[gar]

Now that we can talk for real about Miami (or Philly), I am glad Green had the chance to cover Carmelo in the intensity of a playoff series.  As terrific as Lebron is, he is not a better offensive player than Carmelo; in fact, Melo clearly gets the nod as a shooter.  15 minutes a game staying in front of Lebron is all I feel he needs to do in the next series to make a positive impact.

ditto

[vinnie]

There will come a time when Green breaks out. He will carry the team. Maybe for a stretch, maybe for a series. Whenever it happens, I will not be surprised in the least bit.

People can hate on him if they want. He will deliver soon enough.

When has he ever carried a team - in the pros?

And, how much are the celts going to have to pay him to play 15-20 minutes per game?

[Who]

Rondo can have his hands full with Rose and Westbrook in a ECF/Finals matchup, but at least West is a great defender behind him.

I don't think Delonte West is that good of a defender. He is a very good help defender but he struggles against quick / explosive PGs and someone like Derrick Rose is a very problematic matchup for him.

Who doesn't struggle against those players, though?  I can't really think of anybody in the league who can consistently stay in front of the quicker PG's right now.  Honestly, it seems like the best defense against a very quick point guard is a very big center.

Well, it's relative to your position / peers and relative to his position Delonte West is not a great defender.

He struggles against quick explosive guards more so than the other top defensive players at his position.

Delonte West is a very good defender against PGs with average to below average quickness. Very good against big guards. And always supplies very good team defense. But he struggles against quick guards ... which is why he is not a high level defender at the position. Merely a good one (a plus defender overall).

In other words, Delonte defends some types of players at the PG spot very well and others not so well + always plays quality team defense.

For example, I'd be very happy putting him on someone like Chauncey Billups. Or the Jarrett Jack's of the world.

However against Chicago and as capable a scorer as Derrick Rose, I want Rondo's minutes tied to Rose's as much as possible + I want to keep Delonte West away from Rose whenever possible because Rose will frequently tear apart Delonte West whenever they are pitted against one another.

[Proveo]

Lighten up, Francis.

What? Not sure what you mean by that.

Anyway, I was just trying to explain to you why and how your point that "you can't say a player played poorly in 4 games because the sample is small" was silly. I think you finally got it.

  I think I got that you don't get that 4 games is a small sample size.

Are you just trying to troll or something? If so, just say it and I'll save time.

Four games is a small sample size for what? The sample of what? What's the population in this case?

Anyway, he played poorly in those 4 games. I'm not really sure how you can't understand this - player X player poorly in this period - but this has nothing to do with sample size. Sample size is about making inferences (extracting conclusions from a sample to a larger population) and here nobody is making them.

Do you know what an inference is?

  Sigh. Yes, I know what an inference is. Most, if not all posters here do. Obviously I wasn't saying that 4 games is too small a sample size to say he was playing poorly in this series

Yes, you were.

Because I said he played poorly in this series and you said it was a small sample size for that level of criticism. I'm actually quoting you ipsis verbis. Do you want me to link the post?

Anyway, it seems we now agree: Jeff Green played very poorly in this series and you can make that criticism without caring about the size of the sample because the concept is not applicable. Glad you were able to understand it.