Jeff Green

[bbd24]

Outstanding def on Melo. Underwhelming offensively.

What Danny Ainge says is still true: ' this team wins when 2/3 of the four all stars have great games'

It doesn't matter what Green or the bench does, it's all about the core 4. It was that way with Perkins, and it's still that way without him. #18 is ours if the core 4 play their games. When their off, that's when you hope your bench makes the save.

Bottom line, Green is 4-0 so far in the playoffs. I'll take that.

[Who]

He looked like a Deer in the headlights in the 4th quarter today. 

Those two turnovers early in the fourth were very poor. Lack of concentration.

[GreenFaith1819]

*Khannnnnnnnn* I mean *Greennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn*


I had so much hope for this kid, what on earth is going on. I didn't really watch him much back in OKC, was he always like this?

he is lost. he is going from a starter, knowing his role, to a bench role and not knowing what to do.  he looks lost and looks like he lacks confidence.

i think if he were here during training camp and the entire season, he would be far more productive.

Toss "playing at a new position" onto that pile as well.  It's not like Melo is an easy guard, either - he may be the hardest player in the league to contain as far as scoring goes.

What Atzar said, basically.

[wdleehi]

*Khannnnnnnnn* I mean *Greennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn*


I had so much hope for this kid, what on earth is going on. I didn't really watch him much back in OKC, was he always like this?

he is lost. he is going from a starter, knowing his role, to a bench role and not knowing what to do.  he looks lost and looks like he lacks confidence.

i think if he were here during training camp and the entire season, he would be far more productive.

Toss "playing at a new position" onto that pile as well.  It's not like Melo is an easy guard, either - he may be the hardest player in the league to contain as far as scoring goes.

What Atzar said, basically.

At this point, it doesn't matter.


He was brought in to play a role this season and post season.   He needs to play up to his ability.  If he doesn't, he is a bust this season.

[Atzar]

That sums it up well and makes perfect sense.

This is troubling though, we need him to be a solid contributor for the rest of the playoffs if the Celtics want real success.

I certainly agree with that.  We'll need him to step up if we want to take this the distance.  Thankfully, we have the next week off, and that means a week of practices.  If anything can get him in tune with this team, it's this.

[LB3533]

What hope did you have for Jeff Green?

More efficient scoring, at least 8 pts 4 rebounds a game, a decent bench contribution. He doesn't have to take over the game or knock down 30 points.

In 26 regular season games with the C's, Jeff has been producing 9.8 ppg, 3.3 rpg on 49 FG%, he has "career highs" in TS%, eFG%, Win Shares per 48 min, and defensive rating....all while playing under 24 mpg and struggling to fit in.

In 3 playoff games as a Celtic, his numbers are awful, but the entire bench has been abysmal and Doc has had a short leash with every bench player.

What hope did you have for Jeff Green?

Instead he's constantly getting rejected at the rim, missing open jumpers, taking bad fouls, and turning over the ball horribly.

I'm not really seeing any of these except the one turnover he had today dribbling the ball off his leg.

Green has been one of our better finishers at the rim and I don't think it is easy to cover Melo, so any foul on Melo is probably Melo initiating the contact.

[Proveo]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

[GreenFaith1819]

So...even though he had 7 rebs (2nd on the team) in only 17 minutes.....Riiiiiiight.

I'll admit...he had a few baffling turnovers, but I was more upset with how the starters almost tanked this game.

He also had a few plays where he played admirable defense on Melo.

I'm not so blinded as to when Jeff makes mistakes, but seriously the blame game here is rather thick.....

[LB3533]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

[Proveo]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

And of course Doc has determined his role. Do you think Doc is crazy? Why would he do that? That's just fishing for excuses. The guy needs to step up. It's on him, not on Doc or anyone else.

[GreenFaith1819]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

So - Proveo...what about Jeff's 7 rebs in 17 minutes? Even though he did not shoot well, I think sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in.

[Fan from VT]

He was ok in Oklahoma and is ok here. He's only underwhelming if you were fooled by what he showed in OKC: okay looking raw numbers due to high but inefficient minutes. Same fairly inefficient player, but just fewer minutes now.

[Neurotic Guy]

Now that we can talk for real about Miami (or Philly), I am glad Green had the chance to cover Carmelo in the intensity of a playoff series.  As terrific as Lebron is, he is not a better offensive player than Carmelo; in fact, Melo clearly gets the nod as a shooter.  15 minutes a game staying in front of Lebron is all I feel he needs to do in the next series to make a positive impact.

[LB3533]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

And of course Doc has determined his role. Do you think Doc is crazy? Why would he do that? That's just fishing for excuses. The guy needs to step up. It's on him, not on Doc or anyone else.

I've read and heard quotes that Doc wants Jeff to play Jeff's game.

How can Jeff do that when he is playing out of position and coming off the bench?

As a bench, reserve scorer...10 points per game is just fine. And this is the role I am giving Jeff Green.

If Doc wants Jeff to be Jeff, he needs to start Jeff at the 4 and bench KG. But that ain't happening.

If you want to bring up Jeff's playoff statistics...that's fine, but when we are 4-0 in the playoffs...Jeff's stats don't matter.

[vinnie]

I gave him credit for the rebounds. He played  okay defense, but I remember melo burning him at least twice. He also could not handle the double team in the 4th quarter, and had two straight turnovers. I would argue that he had 3 or so decent games during the regular season. He needs to play a lot better moving forward. I hope he does, but I have serious doubts.