Jeff Green

[Atzar]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

Did you look at PP and RA's percentages in this series?

The easiest 39 mpg PP has ever played in the playoffs...the easiest.

I don't get it. Green was supposed to give Pierce lots of rest. The captain played 45 minutes in one game and 39 in two others, with 33 in the blowout. Minutes are minutes.

Who cares?  He played 39 minutes a game, and now he can rest for a week.

This site pays way too much attention to the number of minutes guys play, in my opinion.  The only players on this team whose minutes I would be concerned about are KG and Shaq.

[Proveo]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

So - Proveo...what about Jeff's 7 rebs in 17 minutes? Even though he did not shoot well, I think sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in.

What about it? What's exactly your point? His rebounding today was good, in the series overall it wasn't awful - as his shooting - but could have been better, I've already stated that. In game 1 he didn't get a single rebound.

And for "sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in", maybe that happens to you, but certainly not to me. As my post mentioning his rebounding shows. Maybe you just missed it? In that one I was refuting a point about his scoring, so of course it didn't make any sense to talk about "other areas".

Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

There are more areas to basketball than scoring. The title of the thread is "Jeff Green"....not "Jeff Green's scoring."

So to me, that leaves the discussion quite open to talk about other areas of his game.

I've explained it but, as it seems you were unable to understand it, I'll explain it again: I did talk about other areas of his game. Not that I needed to do it (the title of the thread is "Jeff Green" and not "Jeff Green: address multiple aspects of his game in every post you make or don't write here"), but I actually mentioned other aspects. Then I addressed a particular one in that post. Do you have a problem with that?

Now again: do you have a legit basketball point to make or not? 

I believe I have made a legit basketball point, Proveo....you obviously have a negative bias towards Jeff Green, and I chose not to.

Okay, this conversation stops here. Getting tired of your rudeness and reckless accusations and assumptions.  

Saying that the guy has played badly in this series and needs to step up his game is not a negative bias towards Jeff Green at all. Is this clear enough?

The rest of your post is beyond pathetic and, once again, you make false assumptions about what I think and my opinions. Who told you that I "don't like Jeff Green" here?

I'm not used to discuss with the kind of person who argues the way you do and I'm certainly not starting now.

And if you cant' deal with people criticizing a basketball player's poor play in a message board, maybe you need to move on to some different thing.

[vinnie]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

Did you look at PP and RA's percentages in this series?

The easiest 39 mpg PP has ever played in the playoffs...the easiest.

I don't get it. Green was supposed to give Pierce lots of rest. The captain played 45 minutes in one game and 39 in two others, with 33 in the blowout. Minutes are minutes.

Who cares?  He played 39 minutes a game, and now he can rest for a week.

This really is comical, Pierce had to play 39 minutes a game in a 4-game sweep over the Knicks, despite the fact that the team acquired super-sub Jeff Green. But the bottom line is, Jeff Green is not getting it done, it is clear that Doc really does not trust him in critical situations, and Paul Pierce is still having to play big minutes.

[Who]

Next series is going to be tough for Jeff Green.

I doubt Miami will go small much against Boston. Preferring instead to keep two bigs on the court pretty much at all times. That factor and also the high number of minutes Wade + LeBron are likely to play (and consequently Ray + Pierce) ... leaves little playing time for Green.

15-20 minutes a night. In that time, you'd expect what, about 7ppg and 3rpg? Something like that.

A good chunk of that playing time is likely to come with LeBron James on the court defending him. A very talented defender and a hugely powerful athlete (6-8, 260lbs) who can make life difficult for Jeff's post game. Defensively, he'll have to exert a lot of energy covering him on the other end of the floor. Tough matchup.

Well, at least there will be a small amount of minutes against James Jones and/or Mike Miller that Jeff Green can enjoy. He can abused those guys down in the post and give the C's offense a lift.

[BballTim]

Pretty small sample size for that level of criticism.

Huh, what?

The criticism is directed towards his play in this series. You can even criticize a player's game. What's the problem? Small sample size? I don't' think you know what you're talking about. You cant' say a guy had a bad quarter, or a bad game, or a bad series, because the sample size is small? Hahaha, sorry, that's pathetic theory. Sample size would be relevant if someone was saying "Jeff Green is a 33 FG% shooter, he doesn't belong in the NBA".

  Huh, what?

  You don't understand that 4 games is a small sample size?

  By the way, this conversation has been hovering between his play during the playoffs and his play since joining the Celts.

  Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

[Who]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

Did you look at PP and RA's percentages in this series?

The easiest 39 mpg PP has ever played in the playoffs...the easiest.

I don't get it. Green was supposed to give Pierce lots of rest. The captain played 45 minutes in one game and 39 in two others, with 33 in the blowout. Minutes are minutes.

Who cares?  He played 39 minutes a game, and now he can rest for a week.

This really is comical, Pierce had to play 39 minutes a game in a 4-game sweep over the Knicks, despite the fact that the team acquired super-sub Jeff Green. But the bottom line is, Jeff Green is not getting it done, it is clear that Doc really does not trust him in critical situations, and Paul Pierce is still having to play big minutes.

This is the problem -- Doc Rivers under-utilized and wrongly utilized Jeff Green in that Knicks series. Green should have been playing many more minutes in small ball lineups against the Knicks small second units.

Doc's lack of trust in Jeff Green made life much harder for both Green (easier to play in longer minutes and when playing alongside more talented teammates [starters vs bench players]) and the Celtics as a whole.

Well, at least this shouldn't be an issue in future rounds. I doubt small ball lineups will be needed much in any of the future playoff series.

[Proveo]

Pretty small sample size for that level of criticism.

Huh, what?

The criticism is directed towards his play in this series. You can even criticize a player's game. What's the problem? Small sample size? I don't' think you know what you're talking about. You cant' say a guy had a bad quarter, or a bad game, or a bad series, because the sample size is small? Hahaha, sorry, that's pathetic theory. Sample size would be relevant if someone was saying "Jeff Green is a 33 FG% shooter, he doesn't belong in the NBA".

  Huh, what?

  You don't understand that 4 games is a small sample size?

  By the way, this conversation has been hovering between his play during the playoffs and his play since joining the Celts.

  Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

What conversation? My point is that he played poorly in these 4 games. Do you agree or disagree?

[LB3533]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

Did you look at PP and RA's percentages in this series?

The easiest 39 mpg PP has ever played in the playoffs...the easiest.

I don't get it. Green was supposed to give Pierce lots of rest. The captain played 45 minutes in one game and 39 in two others, with 33 in the blowout. Minutes are minutes.

Who cares?  He played 39 minutes a game, and now he can rest for a week.

This really is comical, Pierce had to play 39 minutes a game in a 4-game sweep over the Knicks, despite the fact that the team acquired super-sub Jeff Green. But the bottom line is, Jeff Green is not getting it done, it is clear that Doc really does not trust him in critical situations, and Paul Pierce is still having to play big minutes.

Being on the court for X number of minutes doesn't mean that you are actually "playing big minutes".

If Pierce had to guard Melo all game, he'd be worn out and wouldn't be effective shooting the ball like has been.

Whatever minutes we can let Jeff guard Melo is less minutes for Paul to expend.

Even Ray Allen benefits from West giving him a breather.

[GreenFaith1819]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

So - Proveo...what about Jeff's 7 rebs in 17 minutes? Even though he did not shoot well, I think sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in.

What about it? What's exactly your point? His rebounding today was good, in the series overall it wasn't awful - as his shooting - but could have been better, I've already stated that. In game 1 he didn't get a single rebound.

And for "sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in", maybe that happens to you, but certainly not to me. As my post mentioning his rebounding shows. Maybe you just missed it? In that one I was refuting a point about his scoring, so of course it didn't make any sense to talk about "other areas".

Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

There are more areas to basketball than scoring. The title of the thread is "Jeff Green"....not "Jeff Green's scoring."

So to me, that leaves the discussion quite open to talk about other areas of his game.

I've explained it but, as it seems you were unable to understand it, I'll explain it again: I did talk about other areas of his game. Not that I needed to do it (the title of the thread is "Jeff Green" and not "Jeff Green: address multiple aspects of his game in every post you make or don't write here"), but I actually mentioned other aspects. Then I addressed a particular one in that post. Do you have a problem with that?

Now again: do you have a legit basketball point to make or not? 

I believe I have made a legit basketball point, Proveo....you obviously have a negative bias towards Jeff Green, and I chose not to.

Okay, this conversation stops here. Getting tired of your rudeness and reckless accusations and assumptions.  

Saying that the guy has played badly in this series and needs to step up his game is not a negative bias towards Jeff Green at all. Is this clear enough?

The rest of your post is beyond pathetic and, once again, you make false assumptions about what I think and my opinions. Who told you that I "don't like Jeff Green" here?

I'm not used to discuss with the kind of person who argues the way you do and I'm certainly not starting now.

And if you cant' deal with people criticizing a basketball player's poor play in a message board, maybe you need to move on to some different thing.

As I've learned over the course of my time here on this blog, the art of discussion is important. If you feel you have a point to make, argue it and don't back down.

I think you started this with your tone towards me, but I bothered not to report you.

After all, it's Resurrection Day.

But as I've attempted to understand your posts, I've responded to them as I saw fit - without disrespecting you or your opinions.

You obviously have not done the same to me.

[angryguy77]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

Did you look at PP and RA's percentages in this series?

The easiest 39 mpg PP has ever played in the playoffs...the easiest.

I don't get it. Green was supposed to give Pierce lots of rest. The captain played 45 minutes in one game and 39 in two others, with 33 in the blowout. Minutes are minutes.

Same could be said about bad predictions.....

[LB3533]

Pretty small sample size for that level of criticism.

Huh, what?

The criticism is directed towards his play in this series. You can even criticize a player's game. What's the problem? Small sample size? I don't' think you know what you're talking about. You cant' say a guy had a bad quarter, or a bad game, or a bad series, because the sample size is small? Hahaha, sorry, that's pathetic theory. Sample size would be relevant if someone was saying "Jeff Green is a 33 FG% shooter, he doesn't belong in the NBA".

  Huh, what?

  You don't understand that 4 games is a small sample size?

  By the way, this conversation has been hovering between his play during the playoffs and his play since joining the Celts.

  Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

What conversation? My point is that he played poorly in these 4 games. Do you agree or disagree?

I think Jeff Green played poorly (only 12 minutes) in Game 2, the rest of the series he didn't shoot well at all, but played meaningful and important minutes...giving Paul a chance to rest from guarding Melo.

[Proveo]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

So - Proveo...what about Jeff's 7 rebs in 17 minutes? Even though he did not shoot well, I think sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in.

What about it? What's exactly your point? His rebounding today was good, in the series overall it wasn't awful - as his shooting - but could have been better, I've already stated that. In game 1 he didn't get a single rebound.

And for "sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in", maybe that happens to you, but certainly not to me. As my post mentioning his rebounding shows. Maybe you just missed it? In that one I was refuting a point about his scoring, so of course it didn't make any sense to talk about "other areas".

Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

There are more areas to basketball than scoring. The title of the thread is "Jeff Green"....not "Jeff Green's scoring."

So to me, that leaves the discussion quite open to talk about other areas of his game.

I've explained it but, as it seems you were unable to understand it, I'll explain it again: I did talk about other areas of his game. Not that I needed to do it (the title of the thread is "Jeff Green" and not "Jeff Green: address multiple aspects of his game in every post you make or don't write here"), but I actually mentioned other aspects. Then I addressed a particular one in that post. Do you have a problem with that?

Now again: do you have a legit basketball point to make or not? 

I believe I have made a legit basketball point, Proveo....you obviously have a negative bias towards Jeff Green, and I chose not to.

Okay, this conversation stops here. Getting tired of your rudeness and reckless accusations and assumptions.  

Saying that the guy has played badly in this series and needs to step up his game is not a negative bias towards Jeff Green at all. Is this clear enough?

The rest of your post is beyond pathetic and, once again, you make false assumptions about what I think and my opinions. Who told you that I "don't like Jeff Green" here?

I'm not used to discuss with the kind of person who argues the way you do and I'm certainly not starting now.

And if you cant' deal with people criticizing a basketball player's poor play in a message board, maybe you need to move on to some different thing.

As I've learned over the course of my time here on this blog, the art of discussion is important. If you feel you have a point to make, argue it and don't back down.

I think you started this with your tone towards me, but I bothered not to report you.

After all, it's Resurrection Day.

But as I've attempted to understand your posts, I've responded to them as I saw fit - without disrespecting you or your opinions.

You obviously have not done the same to me.

Yes, you've been very disrespectful - since your first post directed towards me with your passive-aggressive stance "sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in" and mentioning his rebounding, implying I was only discussing his shooting when I actually had explicitly mentioned his rebounding. Then you followed up with making false assumptions about what I think and accusing me of being biased and whatnot. It's sad you don't understand that, but it is what it is. I certainly did nothing of that kind.

And I've reported your posts, so from now on I'll let the moderation deal with you. Conversation over.

[Cman]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

Did you look at PP and RA's percentages in this series?

The easiest 39 mpg PP has ever played in the playoffs...the easiest.

I don't get it. Green was supposed to give Pierce lots of rest. The captain played 45 minutes in one game and 39 in two others, with 33 in the blowout. Minutes are minutes.

He is.
Jeff Green is playing for the ~16 mins a playoff game that Tony Allen played last year (Quisy was awful last year, if you recall).  Looked like Quisy was doing better this year until the injury, leaving no backup for Pierce.  Hence, one justification for the trade.  Don't get me wrong, I'd love it if it had turned out that Jeff Green was the second coming of Reggie Lewis, and could split minutes with Pierce, but Green is providing what, at a minimum, we needed him to provide -- backup.  At this point, I don't have much to complain about.

[BballTim]

Pretty small sample size for that level of criticism.

Huh, what?

The criticism is directed towards his play in this series. You can even criticize a player's game. What's the problem? Small sample size? I don't' think you know what you're talking about. You cant' say a guy had a bad quarter, or a bad game, or a bad series, because the sample size is small? Hahaha, sorry, that's pathetic theory. Sample size would be relevant if someone was saying "Jeff Green is a 33 FG% shooter, he doesn't belong in the NBA".

  Huh, what?

  You don't understand that 4 games is a small sample size?

  By the way, this conversation has been hovering between his play during the playoffs and his play since joining the Celts.

  Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

What conversation? My point is that he played poorly in these 4 games. Do you agree or disagree?

  Sure, he played poorly this series. But it's still too small a sample size to claim he's not fulfilling his role on the team.

[Proveo]

Pretty small sample size for that level of criticism.

Huh, what?

The criticism is directed towards his play in this series. You can even criticize a player's game. What's the problem? Small sample size? I don't' think you know what you're talking about. You cant' say a guy had a bad quarter, or a bad game, or a bad series, because the sample size is small? Hahaha, sorry, that's pathetic theory. Sample size would be relevant if someone was saying "Jeff Green is a 33 FG% shooter, he doesn't belong in the NBA".

  Huh, what?

  You don't understand that 4 games is a small sample size?

  By the way, this conversation has been hovering between his play during the playoffs and his play since joining the Celts.

  Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

What conversation? My point is that he played poorly in these 4 games. Do you agree or disagree?

  Sure, he played poorly this series. But it's still too small a sample size to claim he's not fulfilling his role on the team.

Yeah, I'll claim he has played poorly this series, hence he's fulfilled his role poorly this series. Is that okay with you? Let me know.