Jeff Green

[Who]

He was ok in Oklahoma and is ok here. He's only underwhelming if you were fooled by what he showed in OKC: okay looking raw numbers due to high but inefficient minutes. Same fairly inefficient player, but just fewer minutes now.

Yup

[GreenFaith1819]

Well, as I've seen here on the board already - I feel confident in Jeff going up against Lebron....Lebron is certainly a top 3 talent in the game, but he is just not the scorer that Melo is.

We survived Melo (and Amar'e) and I'm happy for that. This was Jeff's coming out party, and frankly I'd grade him as B-.

[2short]

7 rebounds in 17 minutes, good defense on a great offensive player (albeit a apparently "dumb" gunner) and most importantly pierce does not have to burn himself out like so many previous playoff runs since posey left
each series his bench play will show, not in stats (but that would be a bonus) but in PP 4th quarters, if he is run down he isn't able to take over a game like he can do so easily
we don't need a big scorer from any bench buy just good all around play
green hasn't done his best but neither has delonte or davis or krstic

[LB3533]

I gave him credit for the rebounds. He played  okay defense, but I remember melo burning him at least twice. He also could not handle the double team in the 4th quarter, and had two straight turnovers. I would argue that he had 3 or so decent games during the regular season. He needs to play a lot better moving forward. I hope he does, but I have serious doubts.

Just by going box score watching, Green has had more than just 3 decent regular season games with the C's.

Come on now.

[Proveo]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

So - Proveo...what about Jeff's 7 rebs in 17 minutes? Even though he did not shoot well, I think sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in.

What about it? What's exactly your point? His rebounding today was good, in the series overall it wasn't awful - as his shooting - but could have been better, I've already stated that. In game 1 he didn't get a single rebound.

And for "sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in", maybe that happens to you, but certainly not to me. As my post mentioning his rebounding shows. Maybe you just missed it? In that one I was refuting a point about his scoring, so of course it didn't make any sense to talk about "other areas".

Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

[Proveo]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

And of course Doc has determined his role. Do you think Doc is crazy? Why would he do that? That's just fishing for excuses. The guy needs to step up. It's on him, not on Doc or anyone else.

I've read and heard quotes that Doc wants Jeff to play Jeff's game.

How can Jeff do that when he is playing out of position and coming off the bench?

As a bench, reserve scorer...10 points per game is just fine. And this is the role I am giving Jeff Green.

If Doc wants Jeff to be Jeff, he needs to start Jeff at the 4 and bench KG. But that ain't happening.

If you want to bring up Jeff's playoff statistics...that's fine, but when we are 4-0 in the playoffs...Jeff's stats don't matter.

He's scoring 6ppg, not 10ppg. And doing it inefficiently. I'm okay with 6 points, 10 points, 12 points, whatever, but he can't waste so many possessions to offer such limited production.

He had 2 season as a PF in OKC and he's even worse at that position. Just too bad defensively and on the boards.

He's here to play the 3, not the 4. He needs to step up in that role.

[BballTim]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

And of course Doc has determined his role. Do you think Doc is crazy? Why would he do that? That's just fishing for excuses. The guy needs to step up. It's on him, not on Doc or anyone else.

  Pretty small sample size for that level of criticism.

[GreenFaith1819]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

So - Proveo...what about Jeff's 7 rebs in 17 minutes? Even though he did not shoot well, I think sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in.

What about it? What's exactly your point? His rebounding today was good, in the series overall it wasn't awful - as his shooting - but could have been better, I've already stated that. In game 1 he didn't get a single rebound.

And for "sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in", maybe that happens to you, but certainly not to me. As my post mentioning his rebounding shows. Maybe you just missed it? In that one I was refuting a point about his scoring, so of course it didn't make any sense to talk about "other areas".

Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

There are more areas to basketball than scoring. The title of the thread is "Jeff Green"....not "Jeff Green's scoring."

So to me, that leaves the discussion quite open to talk about other areas of his game.

[vinnie]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

[Neurotic Guy]

Whether you like Greg Dickerson or not, what he just said on CSN is the truth.  To paraphrase; C's role players show their value not through consistent greatness, but by having a big game at some point in the playoffs (once a series is OK by me). IMO the C's have a strong handful of role players who can give us a win through a single great performance.  Baby can do it, Delonte can, Shaq/Jermaine can,  and so can Jeff Green.  If Green comes up big in ONE game against Miami, I'll be happy.  Other than that, I just hope he can provide a rest for PP and play Lebron tight for 10-15.

[LB3533]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

Did you look at PP and RA's percentages in this series?

The easiest 39 mpg PP has ever played in the playoffs...the easiest.

[Proveo]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

So - Proveo...what about Jeff's 7 rebs in 17 minutes? Even though he did not shoot well, I think sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in.

What about it? What's exactly your point? His rebounding today was good, in the series overall it wasn't awful - as his shooting - but could have been better, I've already stated that. In game 1 he didn't get a single rebound.

And for "sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in", maybe that happens to you, but certainly not to me. As my post mentioning his rebounding shows. Maybe you just missed it? In that one I was refuting a point about his scoring, so of course it didn't make any sense to talk about "other areas".

Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

There are more areas to basketball than scoring. The title of the thread is "Jeff Green"....not "Jeff Green's scoring."

So to me, that leaves the discussion quite open to talk about other areas of his game.

I've explained it but, as it seems you were unable to understand it, I'll explain it again: I did talk about other areas of his game. Not that I needed to do it (the title of the thread is "Jeff Green" and not "Jeff Green: address multiple aspects of his game in every post you make or don't write here"), but I actually mentioned other aspects. Then I addressed a particular one in that post. Do you have a problem with that?

Now again: do you have a legit basketball point to make or not? 

[Proveo]

Pretty small sample size for that level of criticism.

Huh, what?

The criticism is directed towards his play in this series. You can even criticize a player's game. What's the problem? Small sample size? I don't' think you know what you're talking about. You cant' say a guy had a bad quarter, or a bad game, or a bad series, because the sample size is small? Hahaha, sorry, that's pathetic theory. Sample size would be relevant if someone was saying "Jeff Green is a 33 FG% shooter, he doesn't belong in the NBA".

[GreenFaith1819]

He had more than enough time to learn his role, the quick hitters and to get comfortable with it all. If there wasn't enough time for him to fit in, Ainge wouldn't have made the trade.

He just needs to step it up and start making those easy shots he's missing and start rebounding the ball. He shot 33% from the floor in this series, this is unacceptable. The rebounding wasn't awful, but against he Knicks he should have done better.

I think Jeff Green is fulfilling the role of bench scorer just fine.

I also think that Doc hasn't really determined what specifically is Jeff's role so that is why Green looks confused out there every other game or so.

Green isn't going to drop 15 - 20 points per night or average 10 rpg like Perk....not gonna happen coming off the bench.

A guy who's scoring 6 ppg in 17 minutes with an efficiency of 33% FG is not fulfilling any scoring role "fine".

0.33 FG% is not fine, is not close to fine, it's not in the same area code of fine, it's not even in the same state. Just not fine at all. If you're convinced that this is fine, you're simply wrong. Not fine, not underwhelming, not mediocre. Just terrible.

So - Proveo...what about Jeff's 7 rebs in 17 minutes? Even though he did not shoot well, I think sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in.

What about it? What's exactly your point? His rebounding today was good, in the series overall it wasn't awful - as his shooting - but could have been better, I've already stated that. In game 1 he didn't get a single rebound.

And for "sometimes we get caught up in how well someone shoots vice what other areas he may contribute in", maybe that happens to you, but certainly not to me. As my post mentioning his rebounding shows. Maybe you just missed it? In that one I was refuting a point about his scoring, so of course it didn't make any sense to talk about "other areas".

Learn to read more carefully, maybe?

There are more areas to basketball than scoring. The title of the thread is "Jeff Green"....not "Jeff Green's scoring."

So to me, that leaves the discussion quite open to talk about other areas of his game.

I've explained it but, as it seems you were unable to understand it, I'll explain it again: I did talk about other areas of his game. Not that I needed to do it (the title of the thread is "Jeff Green" and not "Jeff Green: address multiple aspects of his game in every post you make or don't write here"), but I actually mentioned other aspects. Then I addressed a particular one in that post. Do you have a problem with that?

Now again: do you have a legit basketball point to make or not? 

I believe I have made a legit basketball point, Proveo....you obviously have a negative bias towards Jeff Green, and I chose not to.

Yes - he could shoot better...yes he could do this and that better, but a lot of folks here on the blog have been discussing for a while the necessity for DA to acquire a SF for Paul, and DA got him.

If you don't like Jeff Green here, then who would you recommend that DA go after besides him? And among your list of SF's, who would be willing to come off the bench and try to fit in? And not be up there in years?

Maybe in a perfect world, we'd still have Marquis. But I'm sorry - as much as I loved Marquis' game, he'd been toasted by Melo.

[vinnie]

Just FYI, Pierce averaged 39 minutes per game in this series, which included a Blowout. So much for Green giving the captain lots of rest.

Did you look at PP and RA's percentages in this series?

The easiest 39 mpg PP has ever played in the playoffs...the easiest.

I don't get it. Green was supposed to give Pierce lots of rest. The captain played 45 minutes in one game and 39 in two others, with 33 in the blowout. Minutes are minutes.