Jermaine right now is better that Perk

[ThaPreacher]

I disagree....like...a lot.

Can you explain why?

I disagree and agree with both of you.

First, I don't think you can say, JO is better than Perk, or Perk is better than JO.
Clearly they both have strengths and weaknesses in terms of what they bring to this team
JO is much better than Jeff Green detractors would like to admit, and if JO stays healthy and plays well, (two large if's), then Danny will look like a genius again with this trade, especially when the draft pick arrives in Boston and is given his uniform.

Perks intensity is missed though: his mean stares and his toughness.
But no one ever accused Perk of being able to put up 20-10.  Perk was clearly better in traffic rebounder.  In fact he was one of the best due to his physicality.

JO won't get the same type of rebounds.  That's primarily because he is a shot defender.
Which is a huge advantage for the Celtics when they play team defense on the perimeter like they did the other night.

I think that at this time, they both have strengths and weaknesses, though its great to even be in a conversation to try to make this point.

It means that the Celtics are winning 

[Jon]

I think it's premature to say anything.  However, if anyone's going to act like it's an outrage that someone has suggested JO is better than Perk, well you have a bigger mancrush on him than Doc has on BBD. 

Jermaine O'Neal is a 6-time All Star who has put up seasons of 20 and 10, so of course he's more talented than Perk. 

I also think that Perk's numbers have been a bit distorted in OKC, where he's been used differently than he was here.  Here his complete lack of offense hurt this team.  With the Thunder, he basically turns into Dennis Rodman with the Bulls, as he sits under the basket and watches Durant and Westbrook play the two man game. 

I think what's interesting is that if we don't play the Magic at all, Jermaine might end up being the better fit for this team.  Perk's major advantage over Jermaine was his ability to play man-to-man defense on Dwight Howard and other big centers.  That won't be needed against Miami or Chicago.  So Jermaine's elite shotblocking skills (which are significantly better than Perk's) could be quite useful. 

[bowlingwarnie]

I am absolutly loving what JO is giving at the moment...
could any of you see perk influencing any of these games like the baby faced assassin has

Jeff Green wiil arrive

mark my words

he is too talented for this sleepwalk to continue
wouldn't you feel a lttle intimidated coming into this lineup
especially what we witnessed at the wing positions in tonights game

hooooooooweeeee that is tasty shooting baby

[WeMadeIt17]

I am done with Perk I like JO and what he brings to this team. Everyone I know says he sucks and hes done, but those people act like we need him to get 20 and 10 just to win. JO has a swagger to him as well, He won't let anyone from the other team get easy buckets and he will stick up for his team always. If we can get him some more looks inside against the knicks I think it will pump him up a little more and come on real strong. I mean the guy has good post moves. From what i've seen in this series is he gets all his looks from 12-15 foot jumpers which is fine cause he can hit them but let him post up turiaf. Like I said Perkins is no longer on this team we must move foward and it looks like the team is doing it, now we gotta be behind them and forget about Perk. We all loved him and what he brought this team, but its over now..

[OsirusCeltics]

Perkins doesn't have that "spectacular" defense that everyone thinks he had
He's never been able to guard mobile centers with an array of offensive moves
Bogut, Hibbert, Lopez, Bynum and Nene have all abused him. This Dever-OKC playoff series really sheds light into that

And Perk did play very good defense on Dwight Howard. But that was because Howard had no post moves to begin with lol. But this year that has changed. That Magic-Celtics game (when Marquis got injured) Dwight Howard light Perk up for about 15 points in the first 5 minutes. When Doc but Big Baby on him, he actually defended Dwight better

JO is better in every way

[bruinsandceltics]

We have pretty much negated the loss of Perkins (I won't say either one is better because they both do different things, I'll just say they are a washout), but we have yet to negate the loss of our bench.

I was a big proponent of the trade, but right now Jeff Green needs to step the heck up. Enough is enough. Demand the ball. Bear down on defense (no, you don't need to be all-star caliber out there), and rebound the ball.

Also, Doc needs to stop going with full on substitutions. It is the playoffs you don't play 1st unit/2nd unit. You play 1st unit/with a few members of the 2nd coming in to rest a few members of the 1st unit at different times.

Enough of Krstic/Davis/Green/West all on the floor at the same time. Make it say Krstic and Green on the floor for their starters, then swap them out and put Davis and West in to rest their starters. This is the playoffs Doc.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Green is playing defense, and he's been rebounding the ball decently in the last 2 games.

[clover]

I think it's premature to say anything.  However, if anyone's going to act like it's an outrage that someone has suggested JO is better than Perk, well you have a bigger mancrush on him than Doc has on BBD. 

Jermaine O'Neal is a 6-time All Star who has put up seasons of 20 and 10, so of course he's more talented than Perk. 

I also think that Perk's numbers have been a bit distorted in OKC, where he's been used differently than he was here.  Here his complete lack of offense hurt this team.  With the Thunder, he basically turns into Dennis Rodman with the Bulls, as he sits under the basket and watches Durant and Westbrook play the two man game. 

I think what's interesting is that if we don't play the Magic at all, Jermaine might end up being the better fit for this team.  Perk's major advantage over Jermaine was his ability to play man-to-man defense on Dwight Howard and other big centers.  That won't be needed against Miami or Chicago.  So Jermaine's elite shotblocking skills (which are significantly better than Perk's) could be quite useful. 

For better or worse, I expect that's part of Danny's calculation of a greater need for defense to deal with perimeter players which went into his deadline trading for the playoffs.

[Rondo9dunx]

JO is sheed from last year if sheed didnt suck

[BudweiserCeltic]

JO is sheed from last year if sheed didnt suck

Sheed didn't suck in the playoffs.

[Prof. Clutch]

I knew this thread would be coming along sooner or later.  I definitely think they bring a lot of the same things to the table (with Jermaine being more fluid on offense.)

[moiso]

JO is sheed from last year if sheed didnt suck

Sheed didn't suck in the playoffs.

Sheed gave us 6 and 3 in the playoffs last year.  JO is giving us 6 and 3 in this years playoffs.  As good as his defense has been, we still need more production if he is going to be the starter.

[SHAQATTACK]

Like Doc said, without JO , we'd lost the first game. He was totally on for that game. I really couldn't imagine Perk doing any better .

By choosing surgery and working like crazy to come back. JO may have bailed the Celtics out to make a decent post season showing. Without him it we might be sitting on the other side of the fence with the Knicks. Sure they have a couple key injuries, but hey, !! look what we have had to deal with  this year , so they get no passes from me for losing.

Just give us a healthy Shaq for a couple series is all I ask.

[Rondo9dunx]

Sheed was ok, he didn't really suck, but he wasn't fantastic either. I could do without some of the bricks/techs/fouls. Loved his toughness and mentality though, but clearly Sheed wasn't good enough to help us win.

[GreenFaith1819]

JO is sheed from last year if sheed didnt suck

Sheed didn't suck in the playoffs.

Sheed did play very well in the playoffs. He did not seem to play well during the regular season though - save for a few games.

As for the JO-Perk comparison? I am loving what JO is bringing to us. Yes - he could rebound better, as others have mentioned here in the thread, but even with that I believe he'll get better as he rounds himself into playing shape. Doc seems to be getting more and more comfortable with him which is a good thing.

The beauty of JO being our center right now is that as I watched the Celtics game last night, he seemed to move so fluidly in the defense and offensive sets...he, for maybe the first time since he's been back - just seemed one with the team on the floor. That, is most important to me, because Jermaine O'Neal becoming comfortable with our O and D can only mean more eventual production from him and more difficulty for our opponents.

As many here have already mentioned, Perk does appear to be a better rebounder than JO - at least right now. Perk is also younger than JO. I thought the C's were disadvantaged late in games when Doc would take Perk out, though.

As for Perk's defense - like others have mentioned here, he did not play mobile centers well - BUT: In that OKC - LA game late in the season, I was most impressed with Perk as he guarded Lamar Odom on one play. Lamar tried to drive around him from the top of the key and Perk played him well and did in fact block it out of bounds.

Perk is getting his mobility back, which I'm happy for.

I'm just glad that both are playing well for their teams.

A perfect scenario is that OKC beats LA and meets Boston in the finals....at that point we all know that Perk must be defeated, right? I will be cheering voraciously for every Perk moving screen, personal foul, missed free throw - you name it.