2010-11 NBA Playoffs / Finals

[RJ87]

I disagree, CelticG1. Chemistry is very much important - this Miami has come together which is making the difference, IMO. The mistake people made was assuming it would take them longer to find chemistry, but all those issues they had during the season accelerated the bonding process.

[LarBrd33]

I said it before the playoffs and I'm going to say it again...

I think we'll probably look back on Derrick Rose once winning the MVP as an ultimate "Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline.?... when did that happen?!" moment.  Don't get me wrong... he's a really good player, but maybe a bit overrated.  He could end up having a Steve Francis career and I wouldn't be shocked.

[CelticG1]

And The Heat only have 3 consistent offensive threats, just like the Bucks did. Really no difference

And Rose is a homeless man's Iverson

Hm....first off, Rose already plays much better defense than Iverson ever did. Ever. And he's in his second year.


And the notion that there is an equivalence in the offense of LeBron/Wade/Bosh and Ray/Big Dog/Cassell is ridiculous.

hmmm no it's not rose's second year it's his third year.

And I think you are entirely overrating Rose's defense or lack there of. I would put Iverson ahead of him defensively now just for AI's knack for the ball

Thanks for the correction.

I think you are completely wrong on Rose's defense, but I'll just point to some hard data as evidence to supplement what I think is very obvious visually.

More outstanding yet are Rose’s individual defensive numbers. According to Synergy Sports Technology, Rose has allowed just 0.77 points per possession overall on defense this season, an elite mark for any defender, regardless of position. Chris Paul (0.86 points per possession allowed), Rajon Rondo (0.83 PPP allowed), and Russell Westbrook (0.92 PPP allowed) –- all excellent defenders -– have been trumped statistically this year, and by no slim margin. Rose has each of those players handily beat, and boasts a shockingly comprehensive defensive profile.

Rose is particularly effective in defending isolation sequences, where he allows just 0.61 points per possession. Rose’s lateral quickness becomes a huge asset when opponents go one-on-one.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/rose-dwarfs-other-improvements-with-defense/

well there's one person's take

[CelticG1]

I disagree, CelticG1. Chemistry is very much important - this Miami has come together which is making the difference, IMO. The mistake people made was assuming it would take them longer to find chemistry, but all those issues they had during the season accelerated the bonding process.

I just don't see it.

There's a reason we won it when we came together- the big 3 and there is a reason the Heat are going to win it this year-they're big 3.

I just don't by the whole chemistry thing when you have that much talent. Lebron and Wade and even Bosh are playing out of their mind. Is it chemistry that makes Lebron all of a sudden clutch? Did he not have good chemistry in Cleveland?

Can you please just help me understand where exact;y chemistry fits in the equation or is it just because they are playing well that they must have "great chemistry"

I see the same exact team just succeeding more. Same isolations Lebron taking over at the end of games, where people were bashing him at the beginning of the season but now he makes shots so everyone loves it

[TheReaLPuba]

I disagree, CelticG1. Chemistry is very much important - this Miami has come together which is making the difference, IMO. The mistake people made was assuming it would take them longer to find chemistry, but all those issues they had during the season accelerated the bonding process.

I just don't see it.

There's a reason we won it when we came together- the big 3 and there is a reason the Heat are going to win it this year-they're big 3.

I just don't by the whole chemistry thing when you have that much talent. Lebron and Wade and even Bosh are playing out of their mind. Is it chemistry that makes Lebron all of a sudden clutch? Did he not have good chemistry in Cleveland?

Can you please just help me understand where exact;y chemistry fits in the equation or is it just because they are playing well that they must have "great chemistry"

I see the same exact team just succeeding more. Same isolations Lebron taking over at the end of games, where people were bashing him at the beginning of the season but now he makes shots so everyone loves it

No one is saying you don't need talent to win.

But you also need chemistry.

You can't just throw a bunch of stars together and win.

There needs to be sacrifice and heartaches to overcome that bind a team closer together.

Championship teams are special in that way.

They're obviously talented but they are a team in every sense of the word.

The Heat have the most talent and haven't tinkered as much as any other team.

And their defense has been pretty stellar considering they don't have a legit big that can defend or take up space.

[CelticG1]

I disagree, CelticG1. Chemistry is very much important - this Miami has come together which is making the difference, IMO. The mistake people made was assuming it would take them longer to find chemistry, but all those issues they had during the season accelerated the bonding process.

I just don't see it.

There's a reason we won it when we came together- the big 3 and there is a reason the Heat are going to win it this year-they're big 3.

I just don't by the whole chemistry thing when you have that much talent. Lebron and Wade and even Bosh are playing out of their mind. Is it chemistry that makes Lebron all of a sudden clutch? Did he not have good chemistry in Cleveland?

Can you please just help me understand where exact;y chemistry fits in the equation or is it just because they are playing well that they must have "great chemistry"

I see the same exact team just succeeding more. Same isolations Lebron taking over at the end of games, where people were bashing him at the beginning of the season but now he makes shots so everyone loves it

No one is saying you don't need talent to win.

But you also need chemistry.

You can't just throw a bunch of stars together and win.

There needs to be sacrifice and heartaches to overcome that bind a team closer together.

Championship teams are special in that way.

They're obviously talented but they are a team in every sense of the word.

The Heat have the most talent and haven't tinkered as much as any other team.

And their defense has been pretty stellar considering they don't have a legit big that can defend or take up space.

The NBA is the most talent driven league there is out there. Generally the team with the best players and most talent wins the championship. You can say chemistry has a lot to do with it but I think it has a lot more to do with us getting a big 3 and Miami getting a big 3. Just because the media blows stupid stuff out of proportion and talks about turmoil in Miami and them "coming together" and needing to "find the chemistry that Boston has" doesn't mean anything. Even Wade or Lebron said something about finding the chemistry that Boston. You know what that was? It was a big fat excuse. If they didn't win it this year or at least go to the finals it would have more to do with them either choking than chemistry.

[thirstyboots18]

CelticsG1, I think maybe you don't have the same definition of "chemistry" as I do in this case.  Teams definitely do need chemistry, IMO.  Chemistry is order. Chemistry is timing. Chemistry is knowing what your teammates can do.  Chemistry is knowing where they will be at any given time,  knowing where they like the ball, and believing that they will produce. Chemistry is knowing what kind of defensive moves any teammate is capable of doing, and knowing when a teammate needs help or back up.  Chemistry is knowing which players will be ultra aggressive and which will quietly go about their basketball business. 

Chemistry is not (but can include) being BFFs off court and having dinner or partying together on off nights.

[PosImpos]

Heat finally figuring out how to ruin competitive balance in the NBA like we thought they would.

Fannnnntastic.

[housecall]

Heat vs Bulls#4:For the first time i realized how offensively challenged Tibbs is...im not blaming the lost on Rose 100%.You think Tom could've come up with something a little better than a D.Rose iso vs 6'8"Lebron.

[Celtic]

Watching the mental errors being made by the Celtics and now the Bulls, I am starting to think that they are a result of Miami's defense and not so much poor schemes. For example the last possession before OT last night was just stupid, Lebron covering Rose and forcing him into a bad shot, rather than attempting to run any play. The Celtics and Bulls settled and are settling for low percentage outside shots, all the while Miami is getting layups for the most part. It's one thing to have to try and defend against 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA, it's another when they are playing the best defense in the NBA on top of that.

[CelticG1]

CelticsG1, I think maybe you don't have the same definition of "chemistry" as I do in this case.  Teams definitely do need chemistry, IMO.  Chemistry is order. Chemistry is timing. Chemistry is knowing what your teammates can do.  Chemistry is knowing where they will be at any given time,  knowing where they like the ball, and believing that they will produce. Chemistry is knowing what kind of defensive moves any teammate is capable of doing, and knowing when a teammate needs help or back up.  Chemistry is knowing which players will be ultra aggressive and which will quietly go about their basketball business. 

Chemistry is not (but can include) being BFFs off court and having dinner or partying together on off nights.

Well then I think just about every team in the NBA has good chemistry. The Celtics probably have the best chemistry but it is still overrated. If you don't have the horses to carry you chemistry doesn't mean a thing.

Do poor teams in the league have bad chemistry or bad players? I think bad players and it's not even close

[thirstyboots18]

CelticG1, if all it takes is talent, please explain why the Heat took so long to become the dominant team they appear to be right now.  You start with talent, then have to add chemistry, and you end up with a TEAM instead of a bunch of talented players selfishly running around the floor trying to take over.   It took longer for the Heat to develope the chemistry and trust than Boston's three, but  now that they have, they look like a (potential) championship team.  The bench has come up big for them in their playoff wins.

That is my opinion, and I am sticking to it!   

[samantha28]

Anyone else counting down the minutes until the game? For me, this Dallas series has been one of the best of the playoffs (with Dallas's butt-kicking of the Fakers being #1). 

[JT11]

CelticG1, if all it takes is talent, please explain why the Heat took so long to become the dominant team they appear to be right now.  You start with talent, then have to add chemistry, and you end up with a TEAM instead of a bunch of talented players selfishly running around the floor trying to take over.   It took longer for the Heat to develope the chemistry and trust than Boston's three, but  now that they have, they look like a (potential) championship team.  The bench has come up big for them in their playoff wins.

That is my opinion, and I am sticking to it!   

Depressing, but true. 

[BASS_THUMPER]

CelticG1, if all it takes is talent, please explain why the Heat took so long to become the dominant team they appear to be right now.  You start with talent, then have to add chemistry, and you end up with a TEAM instead of a bunch of talented players selfishly running around the floor trying to take over.   It took longer for the Heat to develope the chemistry and trust than Boston's three, but  now that they have, they look like a (potential) championship team.  The bench has come up big for them in their playoff wins.

That is my opinion, and I am sticking to it!   

Depressing, but true. 

big 3 didnt have to face lebron and wade together that year we won it all~