2010-11 NBA Playoffs / Finals

[JoT]

Watching the Heat win is almost as bad as watching the Celtics lose......I hate them with a passion.

Don't worry I dislike them too, but hopefully the Mavs do it. Yes every team I've rooted for against them lost, but this Mavs team is different and I just have this feeling in my heart that they will win. This is just there revenge against them like the Lakers was last year (I still can't get that out of my mind and it still angers me).

[OsirusCeltics]

This is why Derrick Rose would never be Iverson

I respect Iverson and think for his size that he was one of the greatest being that he was 5'10 and 150 lbs., but Iverson going into the finals in 2001 did not play against a team like Miami. The east was weak or semi weak compared to the west that year and most of the decade.

I don't think you watched that 2001 Bucks team led by Ray Allen. That was a stacked team. The Toronto team was pretty good too.

Besides Miami and the Celtics, who were actually title contenders this year in the East?

No they werent stacked ! get real

bucks frontline was this

Scott Williams/Ervin Johnson
Darvin Ham/Jason Caffey

they had sam cassell, ray allen and glen dogg

that team is not stacked

the eastern confrence stunk from 1999-2000-2005-2006

I'm sorry only the Celtics and Heat are the only good teams
Same as 2001, with Toronto, Knicks, Sixers, Bucks

And The Heat only have 3 consistent offensive threats, just like the Bucks did. Really no difference

And Rose is a homeless man's Iverson

[snively]

This is why Derrick Rose would never be Iverson

Rose is already better than Iverson ever was, IMHO.  More efficient scorer, better lead guard.

I...don't know how you said efficient scorer and Derrick Rose in the same sentence. Roses stat line is usually 25 shots for 30 points. I'm sorry thats horrible

I said more efficient.  You have to remember, this is Iverson we're talking about. The guys was even less bashful than Rose about putting up shots.  He once averaged almost 28 shots per game while shooting under 40%. 

Don't get me wrong.  I'm not boosting Rose (I've always been critical of his volume shooting, especially his 3-pt shooting), just trying to pour some cold water on the Iverson aggrandizement.

[OsirusCeltics]

This is why Derrick Rose would never be Iverson

Rose is already better than Iverson ever was, IMHO.  More efficient scorer, better lead guard.

I...don't know how you said efficient scorer and Derrick Rose in the same sentence. Roses stat line is usually 25 shots for 30 points. I'm sorry thats horrible

I said more efficient.  You have to remember, this is Iverson we're talking about. The guys was even less bashful than Rose about putting up shots.  He once averaged almost 28 shots per game while shooting under 40%. 

Don't get me wrong.  I'm not boosting Rose (I've always been critical of his volume shooting, especially his 3-pt shooting), just trying to pour some cold water on the Iverson aggrandizement.

Yeah, totally got a point. They are both not really efficient TP

But its the clutch moments and advance skill level that makes Iverson surpass Rose leaps and bounds

[soap07]

And The Heat only have 3 consistent offensive threats, just like the Bucks did. Really no difference

And Rose is a homeless man's Iverson

Hm....first off, Rose already plays much better defense than Iverson ever did. Ever. And he's in his second year.


And the notion that there is an equivalence in the offense of LeBron/Wade/Bosh and Ray/Big Dog/Cassell is ridiculous.

[Who]

I don't know about rating D.Rose over Iverson.

I think I'd go with Iverson. More explosive, even harder to keep under wraps.

Different type of player though ... since Iverson turned himself into a two guard and was very successful alongside a defensive minded pass first PG. Whereas Rose is more of a PG since he can run an offense decently well unlike Iverson who was a train wreck at running the offense.

Plus, I also think Iverson would be a lot more efficient if he came into the NBA in this no hand-checking era.

D.Rose should surpass Iverson in time but I don't think he has just yet.

[Witch-King]

Edit:

From the looks of it the Dallas Mavericks are likely to face the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals this season unless the Chicago Bulls can turn this series around. As far as the NBA Finals are concerned I am impartial as to who to root for, though the Mavericks lost to the Miami Heat in the NBA Finals five seasons ago. I guess we'll have to wait for the conclusion of th Heat-Bulls series...

[JoT]

This is why Derrick Rose would never be Iverson

Rose is already better than Iverson ever was, IMHO.  More efficient scorer, better lead guard.

I...don't know how you said efficient scorer and Derrick Rose in the same sentence. Roses stat line is usually 25 shots for 30 points. I'm sorry thats horrible

I said more efficient.  You have to remember, this is Iverson we're talking about. The guys was even less bashful than Rose about putting up shots.  He once averaged almost 28 shots per game while shooting under 40%. 

Don't get me wrong.  I'm not boosting Rose (I've always been critical of his volume shooting, especially his 3-pt shooting), just trying to pour some cold water on the Iverson aggrandizement.

Yeah, totally got a point. They are both not really efficient TP

But its the clutch moments and advance skill level that makes Iverson surpass Rose leaps and bounds

Speaking of moments I will never forget that shot and step over that Iverson did on Tyrone Lue. I know I know he works with the Celtics now, but that step over will be in playoff memory for a long time.
Speaking of the Finals I can't believe it's been 10 years since then. I remember people rooting for the Sixers because everyone wanted Iverson to beat the Lakers. I remember people being shocked that he won that game 1 and thought the Sixers had a chance. Wow time flies by fast.

[CelticG1]

And The Heat only have 3 consistent offensive threats, just like the Bucks did. Really no difference

And Rose is a homeless man's Iverson

Hm....first off, Rose already plays much better defense than Iverson ever did. Ever. And he's in his second year.


And the notion that there is an equivalence in the offense of LeBron/Wade/Bosh and Ray/Big Dog/Cassell is ridiculous.

hmmm no it's not rose's second year it's his third year.

And I think you are entirely overrating Rose's defense or lack there of. I would put Iverson ahead of him defensively now just for AI's knack for the ball

[SHAQATTACK]

I feel a little better about the Celtics now that the Bulls have choked, the C's showed up as good as the Bulls, who have done no better with a complete healthy team...

So...Will Wade get frustrated early with Barea and cripple him with some cheap shot ?

[snively]

I don't know about rating D.Rose over Iverson.

I think I'd go with Iverson. More explosive, even harder to keep under wraps.

Different type of player though ... since Iverson turned himself into a two guard and was very successful alongside a defensive minded pass first PG. Whereas Rose is more of a PG since he can run an offense decently well unlike Iverson who was a train wreck at running the offense.

I also think Iverson would be a lot more efficient if he came into the NBA in this no hand-checking era.

D.Rose should surpass Iverson in time but I don't think he has just yet.

I agree Iverson was the more difficult player to guard but his shot-selection was so poor.  Toine, Stackhouse, Iverson: I thought these guys did more harm than good by taking on such dominant scoring roles on their teams.

[CelticG1]

This is why Derrick Rose would never be Iverson

Rose is already better than Iverson ever was, IMHO.  More efficient scorer, better lead guard.

I...don't know how you said efficient scorer and Derrick Rose in the same sentence. Roses stat line is usually 25 shots for 30 points. I'm sorry thats horrible

I said more efficient.  You have to remember, this is Iverson we're talking about. The guys was even less bashful than Rose about putting up shots.  He once averaged almost 28 shots per game while shooting under 40%. 

Don't get me wrong.  I'm not boosting Rose (I've always been critical of his volume shooting, especially his 3-pt shooting), just trying to pour some cold water on the Iverson aggrandizement.

I don't really see how he is more efficient at all. He led the league in FGA and his team plays at a very slow pace

[RJ87]

If Miami wins a championship in their 1st year, I'll vomit.

[CelticG1]

If Miami wins a championship in their 1st year, I'll vomit.

Well we did it. Thats why it was such crap during the season when people kept talking about chemistry being such a big factor. Chemistry is overrated talent is not.

[soap07]

And The Heat only have 3 consistent offensive threats, just like the Bucks did. Really no difference

And Rose is a homeless man's Iverson

Hm....first off, Rose already plays much better defense than Iverson ever did. Ever. And he's in his second year.


And the notion that there is an equivalence in the offense of LeBron/Wade/Bosh and Ray/Big Dog/Cassell is ridiculous.

hmmm no it's not rose's second year it's his third year.

And I think you are entirely overrating Rose's defense or lack there of. I would put Iverson ahead of him defensively now just for AI's knack for the ball

Thanks for the correction.

I think you are completely wrong on Rose's defense, but I'll just point to some hard data as evidence to supplement what I think is very obvious visually.

More outstanding yet are Rose’s individual defensive numbers. According to Synergy Sports Technology, Rose has allowed just 0.77 points per possession overall on defense this season, an elite mark for any defender, regardless of position. Chris Paul (0.86 points per possession allowed), Rajon Rondo (0.83 PPP allowed), and Russell Westbrook (0.92 PPP allowed) –- all excellent defenders -– have been trumped statistically this year, and by no slim margin. Rose has each of those players handily beat, and boasts a shockingly comprehensive defensive profile.

Rose is particularly effective in defending isolation sequences, where he allows just 0.61 points per possession. Rose’s lateral quickness becomes a huge asset when opponents go one-on-one.

http://offthedribble.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/19/rose-dwarfs-other-improvements-with-defense/