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Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2011, 10:03:53 AM »

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I have to agree at this point. Rondo is the C's best offensive player, when the offense is slumping so badly he has to take the brunt of the blame.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2011, 10:06:15 AM »

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I'm legitimately shocked logging into Celticsblog that he hasn't taken more of the blame. Our all star point guard put up that game against Mike Bibby & The Heat after requesting a one on one w/ Doc assumably to express his frustrations w/ the team?

I've seen several people say they wanted Rondo traded, on this site and others.

I don't mean to say its not being discussed - just that I thought we'd have 3 twelve page 'what is wrong w/ rondo' threads by 9am and it seems to be more of the same.

But that's already happened....you're late to the party.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #17 on: April 11, 2011, 10:08:28 AM »

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Rondo's play certainly didn't help, but it doesn't bode well for us if, as a team, we only pull down 26 rebounds in an entire game...

Maybe there's just a desire to put blame elsewise, and the rebounding is an issue, but if you're going to look into the stat line how can you look at Rondo's numbers, remember that the Heat's starting PG and answer "well, they didn't help"?
Don't get me wrong, I'm often chastised on here as too much of a detractor of Rondo, but I was disappointed in a lot more than just his play yesterday.

I'm dissapointed in multipe assets of the game as well, but if I'm looking at who we should expect to get production out of, Rondo had by far the easest matchup and the worst games.

And it's not just about the boxscore, he looked unengaged and uninterested in 'forcing the issue' when we absolutely needed him to do so.

Here's to hoping that his terrible play was to not show our hand this close to the playoffs, but I seriously doubt that's the truth.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2011, 10:13:42 AM »

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I'm legitimately shocked logging into Celticsblog that he hasn't taken more of the blame. Our all star point guard put up that game against Mike Bibby & The Heat after requesting a one on one w/ Doc assumably to express his frustrations w/ the team?

I've seen several people say they wanted Rondo traded, on this site and others.

I don't mean to say its not being discussed - just that I thought we'd have 3 twelve page 'what is wrong w/ rondo' threads by 9am and it seems to be more of the same.

But that's already happened....you're late to the party.

We're one and half pages deep ont his thread, I've probably made up 3/4ths of a page. Of the 10 'latest forum topics' this is the only one discussing Rondo's poor play yesterday against the Heat.

Again, I know its not neccesarily innovative thinking, I'm just surprised to see that his terrible performance isn't discussed at the same length "the trade" and Big Baby's play have been.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #19 on: April 11, 2011, 10:25:59 AM »

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Also Ray Allen has looked bad lately, which might be related, since Ray thrives when Rondo is setting him up, and lately Ray seems to be working with the ball much more to score (anecdotal observation on my part.)

C's really need things to click and for Rondo to turn it up. Maybe he's mad about Perk getting traded or something, but seriously care enough about your legacy to get over it. You've had a chance to win a title 3 out of the last 5 years (including this one) and you got to capitalize... this could might never happen again. (Has never happened for Deron and only once for CP.)

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #20 on: April 11, 2011, 10:37:02 AM »

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I'm legitimately shocked logging into Celticsblog that he hasn't taken more of the blame. Our all star point guard put up that game against Mike Bibby & The Heat after requesting a one on one w/ Doc assumably to express his frustrations w/ the team?

I've seen several people say they wanted Rondo traded, on this site and others.

I don't mean to say its not being discussed - just that I thought we'd have 3 twelve page 'what is wrong w/ rondo' threads by 9am and it seems to be more of the same.

But that's already happened....you're late to the party.

We're one and half pages deep ont his thread, I've probably made up 3/4ths of a page. Of the 10 'latest forum topics' this is the only one discussing Rondo's poor play yesterday against the Heat.

Again, I know its not neccesarily innovative thinking, I'm just surprised to see that his terrible performance isn't discussed at the same length "the trade" and Big Baby's play have been.

Yeah, StartOrien...you aren't the only one upset with Rondo.

You are a little late to the party, in that regard. :).

I haven't been as negative towards a Celtics Player as I was towards Rajon Rondo yesterday in a LONG time...I did not have as much malice towards Mark Blount, lol....

But yeah I've gotten over it. I know he'll wake up and be there when we really need it.

Even though - I thought we really needed him yesterday.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #21 on: April 11, 2011, 10:46:46 AM »

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To quote Zoolander "Am I taking crazy pills?!"

I'll explain myself in bullet points so my horrific grammar wont' detract

- I don't think I'm ripping the lid off of the Rondo hasn't played well story
- I'm not saying that Rondo performing poorly hasn't been discussed
- I'm saying that I'm surprised after yesterday's horrific loss that his poor play isn't being discussed that much.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2011, 10:48:19 AM »

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To quote Zoolander "Am I taking crazy pills?!"

I'll explain myself in bullet points so my horrific grammar wont' detract

- I don't think I'm ripping the lid off of the Rondo hasn't played well story
- I'm not saying that Rondo performing poorly hasn't been discussed
- I'm saying that I'm surprised after yesterday's horrific loss that his poor play isn't being discussed that much.


So your saying you thought rondo played well yesterday?  Whats wrong with you?!?!?
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Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #23 on: April 11, 2011, 10:49:54 AM »

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To quote Zoolander "Am I taking crazy pills?!"

I'll explain myself in bullet points so my horrific grammar wont' detract

- I don't think I'm ripping the lid off of the Rondo hasn't played well story
- I'm not saying that Rondo performing poorly hasn't been discussed
- I'm saying that I'm surprised after yesterday's horrific loss that his poor play isn't being discussed that much.


I thought it was.

There were about 4 or 5 threads related to Rondo on yesterday, I thought?

I guess that today everyone is pretty much over it. everyone did much of the Rondo bashing on yesterday. I'm still hopeful in our PG even though he didn't appear to be himself yesterday.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2011, 10:52:31 AM »

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Rondo is a totally different player when the REAL season starts, & on to Ray... I think a lot of it is mentally with Ray. From my observation (of every game) he HAS been getting open looks but he has BEEN TURNING THEM DOWN WITH THE PUMPFAKE. Thats why I say a lot of it it mentally.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #25 on: April 11, 2011, 10:52:41 AM »

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To quote Zoolander "Am I taking crazy pills?!"

I'll explain myself in bullet points so my horrific grammar wont' detract

- I don't think I'm ripping the lid off of the Rondo hasn't played well story
- I'm not saying that Rondo performing poorly hasn't been discussed
- I'm saying that I'm surprised after yesterday's horrific loss that his poor play isn't being discussed that much.


I thought it was.

There were about 4 or 5 threads related to Rondo on yesterday, I thought?

I guess that today everyone is pretty much over it. everyone did much of the Rondo bashing on yesterday. I'm still hopeful in our PG even though he didn't appear to be himself yesterday.

I would just let it go and more discuss rondo's play rather than the ammount of threads that may or may not exhist discussing rondo's play.
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Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #26 on: April 11, 2011, 11:06:11 AM »

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To quote Zoolander "Am I taking crazy pills?!"

I'll explain myself in bullet points so my horrific grammar wont' detract

- I don't think I'm ripping the lid off of the Rondo hasn't played well story
- I'm not saying that Rondo performing poorly hasn't been discussed
- I'm saying that I'm surprised after yesterday's horrific loss that his poor play isn't being discussed that much.


I thought it was.

There were about 4 or 5 threads related to Rondo on yesterday, I thought?

I guess that today everyone is pretty much over it. everyone did much of the Rondo bashing on yesterday. I'm still hopeful in our PG even though he didn't appear to be himself yesterday.

I would just let it go and more discuss rondo's play rather than the ammount of threads that may or may not exhist discussing rondo's play.

Well, I'm in the business of thread counting.... so, no thankyou sir.

Anyways, I know it's totally just the koolaid talking, but I'm starting to talk myself into the whole 'save it for the playoffs' idea with Rondo. I mean logically, everybody on the whole team would've been in Rondo's face about him not consistently trying to take Mike Bibby off the dribble, right?

Seemed like there were next to no dribble penetration or pick and rolls w/ Rondo handling the ball yesterday - Instead often Rondo lacksadasically passing to either Pierce or Allen for a p&r only to get trapped by the Heat defense. Which was excellent both in effort and design.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #27 on: April 11, 2011, 11:14:21 AM »

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To quote Zoolander "Am I taking crazy pills?!"

I'll explain myself in bullet points so my horrific grammar wont' detract

- I don't think I'm ripping the lid off of the Rondo hasn't played well story
- I'm not saying that Rondo performing poorly hasn't been discussed
- I'm saying that I'm surprised after yesterday's horrific loss that his poor play isn't being discussed that much.


I thought it was.

There were about 4 or 5 threads related to Rondo on yesterday, I thought?

I guess that today everyone is pretty much over it. everyone did much of the Rondo bashing on yesterday. I'm still hopeful in our PG even though he didn't appear to be himself yesterday.

I would just let it go and more discuss rondo's play rather than the ammount of threads that may or may not exhist discussing rondo's play.

Well, I'm in the business of thread counting.... so, no thankyou sir.

Anyways, I know it's totally just the koolaid talking, but I'm starting to talk myself into the whole 'save it for the playoffs' idea with Rondo. I mean logically, everybody on the whole team would've been in Rondo's face about him not consistently trying to take Mike Bibby off the dribble, right?

Seemed like there were next to no dribble penetration or pick and rolls w/ Rondo handling the ball yesterday - Instead often Rondo lacksadasically passing to either Pierce or Allen for a p&r only to get trapped by the Heat defense. Which was excellent both in effort and design.

Well, you're right about the Heat defense...they in fact picked it up a notch on yesterday.

What you stated with Rajon is exactly what I saw.

For me, I can't wait until the playoffs, though...I think we need the REAL Rajon Rondo to play tonight - against the Wiz. There is an outside shot that we can stilll get HCA over LA if everything falls right.

Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #28 on: April 11, 2011, 11:34:26 AM »

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I think we have multiple problems.  Rondo, Doc, rebounding, the bench, etc.  First off Rondo sitting around for 10-12 seconds dribbling is ridiculous, but where does the blame lie there?  Sure some of it lies on Rondo, but Doc needs to be blamed for that as well.  Next, we haven't been getting any easy baskets as of late.  Sure we can say that's on Rondo too, but the first issue there is rebounding.  If we don't rebound, we can't get into the transition which is one of Rondo's strengths.  We need to be able to get Rondo into the open floor so we can start getting some easy buckets.  We have guys who can run the floor, it's time to use them.  Jeff Green is a very athletic guy, let's get him at the 4 so he can beat his man up the floor.  Are we going to suffer on the defensive end? Absolutely, but right now we need to figure out ways to get the ball in the basket because we are doing a terrible job of scoring.
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Re: Rondo is the Problem
« Reply #29 on: April 11, 2011, 11:37:30 AM »

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This is a huge part of the problem. Just because of Rondo's miraculous performance in the playoffs last year, the Celtics have effectively allowed the sports media, who all say that Rondo is the team's best player, to define the strategy and playstyle of the Boston Celtics, and it's absolutely ridiculous.

I'm more likely to lean towards Rondo's playoff performance from last year as an isolated incident, or just a sign of what Rondo can become. We should still not be basing the entire offense around this one person, it makes absolutely no sense. He is a far less proven entity than the 3 we are pretty much ignoring to groom him into some future star of the team.

A championship caliber team like the Celtics is struggling to score the ball against average teams, and even worse, against elite teams. Does that make any sense to you all?

We cannot have such a talented team be bogged down, and become so reliant on Rondo spoon feeding them the ball.

The Boston Celtics aren't playing to score the ball, quite the opposite. They are playing to rack up assists. There is a difference, and it's that difference that is causing the Celtics offense to so badly stall as much as it has since last month.

Rondo having big games should be seen as a bonus. They should not be the core defining point of this team's entire offense. And if it is, prepare to see the Celtics go out in the First Round of the playoffs. The focus is on the big three, and everyone else outside of that, is a bonus. We should make the extra pass when it makes sense, not just for the sake of saying we made the extra pass.

Say what you will about the Lakers struggling as they are right now, but it's minor mental mistakes and lack of effort that is giving them losses. It isn't an inability to turn it on and score the ball, like it is with our team. There is no inherent flaw in how they are playing the game, there is a huge flaw in Celtics' approach to offense, and it's dangerous enough to get us eliminated from the playoffs in the first round.