Rose: With Perkins Gone, We Know We Can Beat the Celtics

[GreenFaith1819]

Let's all simmer down a bit, please.  I know there are strong opinions on all sides, but we're all fans here and there's no need for bickering.

Those three will never get along. 

You know what's always bugged me is does paper really beat rock?  So what if it can envelop it, what is it going to choke the rock to death or something?  Not realistic.   

I agree wholeheartedly.

And won't sandpaper eliminate most forms of rocks?

 

Excellent observation! It should be "Rock, sandpaper, scissors."

Well, see...then it becomes too complicated...there are some forms of sandpaper that scissors can't cut, thus making this age-old game more difficult.

[KCattheStripe]

Lets say KG and Noah's intensity and toughness cancel out, I'd rather have either JO or Shaq than Boozer. That's where the Bull's collapse will come, when Boozer disappears.

[Roy H.]

Lets say KG and Noah's intensity and toughness cancel out, I'd rather have either JO or Shaq than Boozer. That's where the Bull's collapse will come, when Boozer disappears.

No need to hate on Boozer.



In all seriousness, though, the guy is a good post scorer, a good shooter, and a very good rebounder.  I wouldn't count on him wilting completely. 

[GreenFaith1819]

I apologize for deflecting the thread, Peeps.

I love what Nenad and JG brings to this team, but don't get it wrong - a piece of me certainly went to OKC with Perk.

But even with that - I still like what Nenad and JG bring to the table, and discount DRose and Noah.

Boston still has many games left until June.

[Celtics18]

Lets say KG and Noah's intensity and toughness cancel out, I'd rather have either JO or Shaq than Boozer. That's where the Bull's collapse will come, when Boozer disappears.

No need to hate on Boozer.



In all seriousness, though, the guy is a good post scorer, a good shooter, and a very good rebounder.  I wouldn't count on him wilting completely.  

As good as Rose was last night, Boozer and Deng were the difference.  I doubt those two outplay Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett over the course of a seven game series.

[Mr October]

Lets say KG and Noah's intensity and toughness cancel out, I'd rather have either JO or Shaq than Boozer. That's where the Bull's collapse will come, when Boozer disappears.

No need to hate on Boozer.

In all seriousness, though, the guy is a good post scorer, a good shooter, and a very good rebounder.  I wouldn't count on him wilting completely. 

As good as Rose was last night, Boozer and Deng were the difference last night.  I doubt those two outplay Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett over the course of a seven game series.

Yup, Boozer cant score with any consistency on KG. I really dont want to see Davis guard him again.... ever. Put Davis on Noah, Kurt Thomas etc.

[Prof. Clutch]

As good as Rose was last night, Boozer and Deng were the difference last night.  I doubt those two outplay Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett over the course of a seven game series.

Agree completely.  TP.

[CeltsAcumen]

I read a lot of "Ifs" and "Whens" from the pro-trade people.  For example, If we had Shaq things will be different or If Jeff Green works into the rotation we will be unstoppable, or when Shaq and JO are healthy.

I guess I am just concerned that people just "stat geeked" the numbers in the trade and have little understanding of how good teams work. 

Ainge blew this team up and chemistry was the casualty.  Truly, I do hope the Celtics get it together, but after last night, I think the Celts are not even close to the team they were in January and EVERYBODY knows it, except the people who still think Jeff Green is more valuable than Perk.

[LB3533]

Boozer and Noah weren't exactly world beaters last night.

But with the way the Celtics played, it was enough to get the job done.

Deng was the dude that caught fire...while Rose was steady all game long.

It's kinda scary how it only took 2 guys to really beat us....that's all it takes I guess when we stink completely as a team though.

[cornbreadsmart]

I think Jeff Green makes us wimpier. Dude is a wimp. He's been way overrated in the league in just about every category. But as many have said here,we beat the bulls without Perk. It happened.

[CaliCeltics]

I'm just trying to figure out how everyone says Perkins is what had us winning? We had him in the 09 playoffs, and still lost. I mean we had no KG, but we had the almighty Perkins! How did we lose!? lol 

[ThaPreacher]

Sigh.  Even if many fans on this blog don't believe in the psychological edge Perk gave us, a lot of players and teams apparently do.  Rose is just echoing what we've already heard from the Lakers and from other teams.

Perk's presence was a lot more than just what showed up in the box score.

Ah what I miss?  LOL.

Read all the posts.  Seems like tempers are hot.  
I watch.  I listen. And then I remind.
So let me remind you all of this:


Gamblers Gamble.

Danny Ainge has always been a gambler.  He's a riverboat riding, poker playing, card carrying gambler.  And frankley he wins more than he loses.  Think back on all the years after Red retired.  And then go take out your BYU Danny Ainge basketball card and kiss it.
Ainge singlehandedly resurrected the Celtics franchise.  You guys would all be out of a job (Bloggers) and out of a hobby (forum posters) if it were not for old number 44.
And Danny has gambled again.

But its a good gamble. Repeat after me.  I will trust in Danny.  I will trust in Danny.
Think New York Knicks.  Think Isiah Thomas.  Think Boston Celtics.  Think Rick Pitino.
And then repeat.  I will let Danny gamble.


There are 4 seasons in the NBA.  Pre-Season.  meaningless.    Early Regular season.  Curious.
Post All Star Break.  positioning.  And then there is the only season that counts:  Post Season.

One school of thought.
Danny gambled our post season away. We don't have the edge.  We don't have the toughness.
Perkins is in OKC.  Perkins is mean.  We don't have anyone who is mean.  No one is afraid of us.
Perkins gives intangibles.

The other school of thought.
Jeff Green is talented.  Majorly talented.  Kristic becomes the 3rd Center behind the O'Neal brothers.  Shaq.  JO.  
Celtics won alot of games without Kendrick Perkins.  Celtics would not have played Kendrick Perkins at the end of games.   Perkins would not have resigned anyways.  Jeff Green is the future.


I could go into the outcomes if the Celtics win or the Celtics lose.
Pundits will claim victory depending on what side of the trade they were on.

But I want to ask this question.  On the Boston Celtics who determines whether each player is tough.  Mean.  Brings the Intangible?

Who would have dared call Kevin McHale tough prior to the clothesline on Rambis.
Up here in the north, some called him twinkletoes McFairy.  Not after the hit on Rambis.

The Celtics need to decide to themselves how tough they are going to be.  On the glass.
In the paint. In the backcourt.  In the locker room.
And that decision has nothing to do with Perkins.  It has everything to do with each player.
And Doc Rivers.

The playoffs will come down to Boston's ability to believe in themselves and trust in one another.  That has to do with leadership and coaching.  It has to do with a moody,  poor free throw shooting point guard who hasn't been the same since the trade.

Regardless, it will have less to do with the trade than Derrick Rose would have you believe, or what Phil Jackson's take on the rosters are. Those guys are not gamblers, they are carneys doing carney tricks.

Danny Ainge is a gambler.  Gamblers gamble.


But this post season comes down to the health of the O'Neal brothers and the ability for the rest of the players to develop their own toughness. Those are the only intangibles we need.

[Celtics18]

I giveth a Tommy Point to Tha Preacher. 

[LB3533]

I think Paul Pierce is the toughest player on our team, even when we had Perkins.

Pierce can let loose the truth hero ball and I am sure we will the title.

It's too bad Paul's too nice unselfish of a player to allow this to happen.

The ball is in Rondo's hands 90% of the time now anyways so Rajon is the driver, and when he can't find his best mate Ray Ray for good looks, Rondo's game suffers a great deal.

[CaliCeltics]

They think they can beat the Celtics. That's good for them, they should worry about beating the Pacers first, then either the Magic or Hawks. You may think you can beat a certain team, but you have to beat others first before you can get to that team.