When is jeff green going to get it?

[ben]

Jeff Green should be playing all of Baby's minutes.  How does a second round overweight draft pick get the green light over a lottery pick who is taller, better shooter, and faster.  How does Jeff Green not have ALL of Baby's minutes right now. 

Defense.  Especially defense on Centers... If Green play with more physicallity hew would play more.

no offense, but I am sick of hearing about baby's supposed "defence" on 7foot tall centers.  This guy can't even handle Rashard lewis, let alone al Horford or ANY half decent offensive center.  Any guy that can stand between Dwight howard and the basket can play defense on howard, but players like lamar odom, gasol, horford, boozer, noah, even bosh, im tired but this guys defense just isn't that great.

[Celticjay]

Jeff Green should be playing all of Baby's minutes.  How does a second round overweight draft pick get the green light over a lottery pick who is taller, better shooter, and faster.  How does Jeff Green not have ALL of Baby's minutes right now. 

Would you rather Green on a center or shift over KG?   

Frankly KG should be playing centers more often.  Seemed insane for baby to guard Duncan the other night.  Just put KG teh 7ft on him.  Not sure why they aren't doing that at all.  Preservation of is all I can think..

Defense.  Especially defense on Centers... If Green play with more physicallity hew would play more.

no offense, but I am sick of hearing about baby's supposed "defence" on 7foot tall centers.  This guy can't even handle Rashard lewis, let alone al Horford or ANY half decent offensive center.  Any guy that can stand between Dwight howard and the basket can play defense on howard, but players like lamar odom, gasol, horford, boozer, noah, even bosh, im tired but this guys defense just isn't that great.

[xmuscularghandix]

Dude doesn't get a lot of shots I hope somebody would get in his ear and tell him to be more aggressive because he has the skill set to do more

Hard to be more aggressive offensively when the ball swings to BBD and he won’t give it up. The only way that Green is going to get more involved in the offense is if BBD is riding the pine. It’s not his fault.

Agreed.

But they also have to give him the ball sometimes and let him go to work. Jeff is one of the guys on this team that can actually get the ball, iso, and really get good shots.

Also: this thread is a big thumbs down, I don't know how anyone can say he "Doesn't get it", unless of course "It" is the basketball.

[Who]

Or is he being totally misused by doc? He has had 3 or 4 good games, but in my opinion, he has been close to a Bust so far. One of the most passive players I have ever see. I don't see great potential, but hope I am wrong.

Green has always been a passive player. He was a passive player in Oklahoma/Seattle and he was a passive player at Georgetown. That is just who he is.

Going to be very difficult for him to change that ... but some players manage to do so. So maybe, but probably not.

[Who]

Jeff Green should be playing all of Baby's minutes.  How does a second round overweight draft pick get the green light over a lottery pick who is taller, better shooter, and faster.  How does Jeff Green not have ALL of Baby's minutes right now. 

Defense.  Especially defense on Centers... If Green play with more physicallity hew would play more.

no offense, but I am sick of hearing about baby's supposed "defence" on 7foot tall centers.  This guy can't even handle Rashard lewis, let alone al Horford or ANY half decent offensive center.  Any guy that can stand between Dwight howard and the basket can play defense on howard, but players like lamar odom, gasol, horford, boozer, noah, even bosh, im tired but this guys defense just isn't that great.

Glen Davis is playing far too many minutes right now. His defense drops off substantially whenever he has to play long minutes. He is much more effective in short bursts / small minutes.

He'll play better defense again once the C's get him back to 20-22mpg.

Doc is doing him a disservice by giving BBD so many minutes. He is putting him situations where he can't succeed. Bad coaching. I haven't liked Doc tightening the rotation after the trade and forcing BBD to play more minutes in the process. He should have kept a 10 man rotation and kept the players in more appropriate roles, ones where they could flourish. BBD has been hurt by this more than anyone (Krstic and KG too). 

[Who]

I like Green, but the more I see of him, the more I am convinced he will never be anything more than a solid rotation player...but I also think he is destined to get overpaid on his next contract, and I am not sure if it will be by Danny. 

Agreed -- Marvin Williams Part II (contract wise)

[vinnie]

By "it" I mean being more aggressive and fitting better into the celts' system. As far as aggressive foes, I guess maybe never. As far as understanding the celts' system, probably after next year's training camp. As I said, he likely will be trade bait next year anyway.

[Who]

By "it" I mean being more aggressive and fitting better into the celts' system. As far as aggressive foes, I guess maybe never. As far as understanding the celts' system, probably after next year's training camp. As I said, he likely will be trade bait next year anyway.

I wonder how useful a trade asset Jeff Green will be if you have to give him a large contract. I am expecting a $40 million five year type deal (similar to Marvin Williams). I don't know how useful an asset he'd be at that point.

Plus, even if Green did sign the qualifying offer, that would make him an unrestricted free agent the following summer and any team that acquires him would risk losing him and be hesitant to give up a major trade asset as a result.

I am not 100% sure but I think a player loses his bird rights if he is traded at any time during that season after signing a qualifying offer ... plus you'd need Jeff Green's consent to make the trade due to the qualifying offer which further complicates things (which considering he'd be losing his bird rights may be tough to do).

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Maybe a mid first round pick + an expiring contract.

That would be my expectation of Green's trade value in either of those scenarios. Unless some GM is head over heels in love with him, I'm not sure you get more than that.

With the C's potential cap space being more valuable (why expiring contract + pick being preferable) than most veterans on long term contracts being offered (say a Jose Calderon level player).

[jambr380]

I like Green, but the more I see of him, the more I am convinced he will never be anything more than a solid rotation player...but I also think he is destined to get overpaid on his next contract, and I am not sure if it will be by Danny. 

Agreed -- Marvin Williams Part II (contract wise)

Do you really think so? The longer we have him, the more people will forget that he was a big minutes guy who was quite effective. I have always like Jeff Green and think he is definitely a better player than Marvin Williams. Whether he can integrate into the Celtics system is another story.

If we sign him for the qualifying offer, he almost surely will be underpaid on his next contract. There are other players in the league besides Baby and Green. I know they have proven to be strong bench players (Green has proven more), but their current role won't allow either of them to get huge contracts.

[Who]

Plus, even if Green did sign the qualifying offer, that would make him an unrestricted free agent the following summer and any team that acquires him would risk losing him and be hesitant to give up a major trade asset as a result.

I am not 100% sure but I think a player loses his bird rights if he is traded at any time during that season after signing a qualifying offer ... plus you'd need Jeff Green's consent to make the trade due to the qualifying offer which further complicates things (which considering he'd be losing his bird rights may be tough to do).

Just a follow up

http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q83

In addition, if the player is playing under a one-year contract and will have Larry Bird or Early Bird rights at the end of the contract, he can't be traded without his consent. If consent is granted and the player is traded, then he loses his Larry Bird or Early Bird rights, and enters free agency as a Non-Bird free agent.

For example, Seattle signed Vladimir Radmanovic to a one-year qualifying offer on September 21, 2005. Therefore, Radmanovic could not be traded at all until December 21, 2005. After December 21, 2005, he could only be traded if he consented to the trade (he did consent and was traded to the Clippers). He became a Non-Bird free agent with the Clippers in the summer of 2006 (and signed instead with the Lakers).

So yeah, Jeff Green would become (1) an unrestricted free agent (2) lose his bird rights (3) have to consent to a trade ... if he signed the qualifying offer.

Which complicate trade matters.

[Who]

I like Green, but the more I see of him, the more I am convinced he will never be anything more than a solid rotation player...but I also think he is destined to get overpaid on his next contract, and I am not sure if it will be by Danny. 

Agreed -- Marvin Williams Part II (contract wise)

Do you really think so? The longer we have him, the more people will forget that he was a big minutes guy who was quite effective. I have always like Jeff Green and think he is definitely a better player than Marvin Williams. Whether he can integrate into the Celtics system is another story.

If we sign him for the qualifying offer, he almost surely will be underpaid on his next contract. There are other players in the league besides Baby and Green. I know they have proven to be strong bench players (Green has proven more), but their current role won't allow either of them to get huge contracts.

I agree ... I just don't think he'll be with the Celtics long enough for that to happen.

He's only going to be with the Celtics for 3-4 months. Plus he's playing behind future Hall Of Famers (Paul Pierce + Kevin Garnett) on a team that has won a title, came within moments of a second title and is gunning for another title this season ... I don't think he'll be judged harshly for having a smaller role on this team.

I think Jeff Green has a very good reputation around the league. A well know player and well regarded. I expect his market value to be just as good this summer as it was before joining the C's.

If Green was on the Celtics for another 12 months, like say he took the qualifying offer, I think that would be enough time (year and a half) for his value to drop some.

[moiso]

When is the Celtics gonna give him the ball?

He could go get the ball himself every once in a while.  Zero rebounds in 23 minutes.  Pathetic.

I think Green is a very talented scorer and pretty bad at everything else.  And yes, he is soft and passive.  Not sure if that's the kind of guy who can thrive in the physical playoff atmosphere.

[gar]

Lots of good points. There are hints of chemistry between J Green and Rondo. Points:

I think if Delonte had been able to come back sooner it would have helped Green and the second unit.

BBD taking too many points is a big thing.

There was also some nice play from Wafer before he went down, so will take time to get him worked in.

Lack of umbutu in 2nd unit (setting picks, moving the ball, help on defense).

You can't blame Jeff Green for being something other than he is. I hope he can develop into a better defender and a better rebounder. Wafer has done it, unfortunately we can't wait for him to get a summer camp under his belt.

[ForexPirate]

i would insert green into the starting line-up and use ray to anchor the bench.  Creates a lot of mismatches with pierce at the two.  The second unit needs a leader , there is a lot of selfishness there with the exception of dw.

[Tai]

i would insert green into the starting line-up and use ray to anchor the bench.  Creates a lot of mismatches with pierce at the two.  The second unit needs a leader , there is a lot of selfishness there with the exception of dw.

How is putting Green in the starting lineup going to deduce this stubbornness/selfishness? Sorry, I'm not in love with Doc having to get more creative than he already has to either (ex: Pierce at the two).