Thank you Danny Ainge for ruining this season

[Roy H.]

That's why the real stupid move in this whole saga was not re signing Tony Allen.  Yes Tony Allen.  For a measley 3 million dollars and an extra year.  Chump change for Wyc and Co.  Think about it people :   You re sign Tony Allen  the that means Marquis doesnt come back, then he doesn't get hurt in A Celtics uniform (which is the real cause of the Perkins trade) , and your back up wing defender problem is solved with one of the best defensive role players in the league.  Pretty simple to me.  The 2010-11 Celtics season was derailed because Danny Ainge wouldn't give Tony Allen 3 years and 9 million dollars.  Pathetic, just pathetic Danny.  Everybody and their grandmother knew Marquis would get hurt, he gets hurt every year,  but i dont know for the life of me why Tony Allen is not on this team. 

Because Marquis Daniels and Tony Allen have equally questionable health and it would be stupid to give either player a contract with a guaranteed third year.  It is ridiculous to criticize Daniels for being injury-prone, then want Tony Allen instead.

I see your point, but Tony Allen has played in 66 games this season and Marquis is done for the season with spinal cord issues.  If Danny took my advise then we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. That's the problem I have with it. For what, 3 million dollars.  This whole value system people have is so overated.  Sometimes you have to pay a little more to get the most solid roster.  1 year and 3 million dollars is nothing in the NBA.  Your probally one of those people who wants to let Glen Davis walk and thinks the Celtics can get Carl Landry or Shane Batttier for the veterans min or on the cheap for 2 million a year.  Not gonna happen.  Teams will be willing to pay more, sure they might be over paid but the team has the player and the Celtics will be stuck again with the Von Wafers of the world or buy out guys for our bench.  I'm not saying give Glen Davis a blank check, but I'm willing to pay more up to a point to keep him.  That's my point.  This whole situation could have been avoided for 3 million dollars.  Geez, Danny gave Scal 5 years and that didnt stop us from winning # 17. 

Tony has been as much an injury risk as Marquis though.

Both are injury prone, but I think Marquis was the greater risk.  Marquis has played eight seasons, and has missed 20+ games in 7 of them.  At least Tony had two durable seasons under his belt (and now, three).  I agree, though, both were a risk.

[Fafnir]

That's why the real stupid move in this whole saga was not re signing Tony Allen.  Yes Tony Allen.  For a measley 3 million dollars and an extra year.  Chump change for Wyc and Co.  Think about it people :   You re sign Tony Allen  the that means Marquis doesnt come back, then he doesn't get hurt in A Celtics uniform (which is the real cause of the Perkins trade) , and your back up wing defender problem is solved with one of the best defensive role players in the league.  Pretty simple to me.  The 2010-11 Celtics season was derailed because Danny Ainge wouldn't give Tony Allen 3 years and 9 million dollars.  Pathetic, just pathetic Danny.  Everybody and their grandmother knew Marquis would get hurt, he gets hurt every year,  but i dont know for the life of me why Tony Allen is not on this team. 

Because Marquis Daniels and Tony Allen have equally questionable health and it would be stupid to give either player a contract with a guaranteed third year.  It is ridiculous to criticize Daniels for being injury-prone, then want Tony Allen instead.

I see your point, but Tony Allen has played in 66 games this season and Marquis is done for the season with spinal cord issues.  If Danny took my advise then we wouldn't be in the situation we are in now. That's the problem I have with it. For what, 3 million dollars.  This whole value system people have is so overated.  Sometimes you have to pay a little more to get the most solid roster.  1 year and 3 million dollars is nothing in the NBA.  Your probally one of those people who wants to let Glen Davis walk and thinks the Celtics can get Carl Landry or Shane Batttier for the veterans min or on the cheap for 2 million a year.  Not gonna happen.  Teams will be willing to pay more, sure they might be over paid but the team has the player and the Celtics will be stuck again with the Von Wafers of the world or buy out guys for our bench.  I'm not saying give Glen Davis a blank check, but I'm willing to pay more up to a point to keep him.  That's my point.  This whole situation could have been avoided for 3 million dollars.  Geez, Danny gave Scal 5 years and that didnt stop us from winning # 17. 

Tony has been as much an injury risk as Marquis though.

Both are injury prone, but I think Marquis was the greater risk.  Marquis has played eight seasons, and has missed 20+ games in 7 of them.  At least Tony had two durable seasons under his belt (and now, three).  I agree, though, both were a risk.

Right, but Tony's recent history wasn't much better.

There are and were many reasons to prefer Tony to Marquis, but durability wasn't one of them.

[dlpin]

What is this about Tony Allen? I thought he didn't even give the celtics a chance to match because he wanted to leave for playing time. Sure, that might be spin by Ainge's folks, but there is nothing that guarantees that 3 million and 1 year would have kept him here. And in any case, Tony Allen is being wildly overrated.

For all the celtics' struggles recently, they've only allowed more than 100 points 5 times recently. And they won 3 of those games. In fact, the celtics held opponents to less than 90 9 times out of 18. So defense is not the problem .

Which is also an indication that missing Perkings is also not the problem.

[Edgar]

Mike

Sorry, imho youre wrong, more than that, youre absolutly wrong
Without those moves Cs were facing the season with 7 players
all of them banged,  a bunch of rookies and Nate

If we are 10-8 with those 7 maybe we were 5 and 13

Edgar

I find it amazing that so many ignore the fact that the Celtics had run out of bodies.  Even adding 5 healthy players we have seldom fielded 10 healthy ones.

yup I am sure some think
Perk and NAte could cover 5 spots at the time.


And as much as I liked Troy and Zaza addings, theyre not
helping at all right now shs THAT one couldve been a mistake

[RebusRankin]

Can this wait till the season is over?

[Donoghus]

Can this wait till the season is over?

Now hold on a minute, that would actually require common sense. 

[Employee8]

Perkins wasn't even a factor in the team's success this year.  He played only 12 games for us and when he played, we went 7-5 over those 12 games.  As a starter, he went 4-3 with us.

Stats: 1.9 offensive boards, 6.2 defensive boards, 0.2 steals, 0.8 blocks, 2.1 turnovers and 7.3 points.

I know he brings many intangibles to the chemistry, team defense, and everything but this trade can be justified by those numbers.  He did not contribute to the team this year and we are 51-22.  Danny Ainge thought he was expendable, thought he reached his career plateau and made this trade.  I don't understand why people think that the current slide we are on is attributed solely to Perkins.  The only blame you can pin on DA is doing the trade too late in the season but that was a risk he was willing to take.  Guess he thought the team would jell quicker.  We still have another month of basketball left.  Let's not jump into the Charles River anytime soon.

[Yvette]

You guys must be thankful we still have sir Danny running this franchise...

[RebusRankin]

Can this wait till the season is over?

Now hold on a minute, that would actually require common sense. 

Crazy I know. Related note, I want to be a common sense advisor to pro athletes.

[KJ33]

I didn't like the trade, and I still don't like it.  Myself and others predicted that the team would struggle post-trade, and would fall to the #3 seed.  Even though we received more talent (and thus won the trade "on paper"), Danny gutted some of the heart, physicality, and chemistry from this team, and I think that has hurt us and will continue to hurt us. 

All that said, the season isn't over yet.  This stretch has hurt our title chances, but it hasn't eliminated them by any stretch.  There's no denying that there's still a ton of talent on this team, arguably more talent than any other team in the NBA.  It will be on the players and the coaching staff to figure out how to re-gain the magic that they had earlier in the season.  While that may seem improbable to many, it's still a very possible outcome.

Were your predictions based on neither O'Neal playing during that stretch?  How do you think they would have fared if there was no trade with Perk shelved for 3 weeks?  The team was paper thin at the time with barely 8 players available to play.  I don't think you can say the struggles of late back up your claim that they would struggle after the trade.  All of the pieces that Danny factored into his making the trade have yet to play.

[Roy H.]

I didn't like the trade, and I still don't like it.  Myself and others predicted that the team would struggle post-trade, and would fall to the #3 seed.  Even though we received more talent (and thus won the trade "on paper"), Danny gutted some of the heart, physicality, and chemistry from this team, and I think that has hurt us and will continue to hurt us. 

All that said, the season isn't over yet.  This stretch has hurt our title chances, but it hasn't eliminated them by any stretch.  There's no denying that there's still a ton of talent on this team, arguably more talent than any other team in the NBA.  It will be on the players and the coaching staff to figure out how to re-gain the magic that they had earlier in the season.  While that may seem improbable to many, it's still a very possible outcome.

Were your predictions based on neither O'Neal playing during that stretch?  How do you think they would have fared if there was no trade with Perk shelved for 3 weeks?  The team was paper thin at the time with barely 8 players available to play.  I don't think you can say the struggles of late back up your claim that they would struggle after the trade.  All of the pieces that Danny factored into his making the trade have yet to play.

I'm not sure that the fact that Shaq and JO are still out with injuries is something that supports the pro-trade position.  If anything, it suggests that Danny miscalculated a bit, and overestimated how healthy Shaq (and perhaps JO) would be.  I mean, a lot of us were skeptical at the time that Shaq and JO were close to a return, and that still remains the case.

Of course, Shaq and JO could still come back and look 100%.  However, it's still going to take time to get them back into the swing of things, while getting them used to playing with our new guys.  There's simply not a lot of time for that.

So, yeah, I don't think Shaq being in a boot and getting cortisone shots supports the idea that Danny is a genius.  Maybe he'll be ultimately proven right, but that hasn't been the case thus far.

[angryguy77]

I didn't like the trade, and I still don't like it.  Myself and others predicted that the team would struggle post-trade, and would fall to the #3 seed.  Even though we received more talent (and thus won the trade "on paper"), Danny gutted some of the heart, physicality, and chemistry from this team, and I think that has hurt us and will continue to hurt us. 

All that said, the season isn't over yet.  This stretch has hurt our title chances, but it hasn't eliminated them by any stretch.  There's no denying that there's still a ton of talent on this team, arguably more talent than any other team in the NBA.  It will be on the players and the coaching staff to figure out how to re-gain the magic that they had earlier in the season.  While that may seem improbable to many, it's still a very possible outcome.

Were your predictions based on neither O'Neal playing during that stretch?  How do you think they would have fared if there was no trade with Perk shelved for 3 weeks?  The team was paper thin at the time with barely 8 players available to play.  I don't think you can say the struggles of late back up your claim that they would struggle after the trade.  All of the pieces that Danny factored into his making the trade have yet to play.

I'm not sure that the fact that Shaq and JO are still out with injuries is something that supports the pro-trade position.  If anything, it suggests that Danny miscalculated a bit, and overestimated how healthy Shaq (and perhaps JO) would be.  I mean, a lot of us were skeptical at the time that Shaq and JO were close to a return, and that still remains the case.

Of course, Shaq and JO could still come back and look 100%.  However, it's still going to take time to get them back into the swing of things, while getting them used to playing with our new guys.  There's simply not a lot of time for that.

So, yeah, I don't think Shaq being in a boot and getting cortisone shots supports the idea that Danny is a genius.  Maybe he'll be ultimately proven right, but that hasn't been the case thus far.

If we win, do I get my TP's that I lost in last years Finals bet?

[Roy H.]

I didn't like the trade, and I still don't like it.  Myself and others predicted that the team would struggle post-trade, and would fall to the #3 seed.  Even though we received more talent (and thus won the trade "on paper"), Danny gutted some of the heart, physicality, and chemistry from this team, and I think that has hurt us and will continue to hurt us. 

All that said, the season isn't over yet.  This stretch has hurt our title chances, but it hasn't eliminated them by any stretch.  There's no denying that there's still a ton of talent on this team, arguably more talent than any other team in the NBA.  It will be on the players and the coaching staff to figure out how to re-gain the magic that they had earlier in the season.  While that may seem improbable to many, it's still a very possible outcome.

Were your predictions based on neither O'Neal playing during that stretch?  How do you think they would have fared if there was no trade with Perk shelved for 3 weeks?  The team was paper thin at the time with barely 8 players available to play.  I don't think you can say the struggles of late back up your claim that they would struggle after the trade.  All of the pieces that Danny factored into his making the trade have yet to play.

I'm not sure that the fact that Shaq and JO are still out with injuries is something that supports the pro-trade position.  If anything, it suggests that Danny miscalculated a bit, and overestimated how healthy Shaq (and perhaps JO) would be.  I mean, a lot of us were skeptical at the time that Shaq and JO were close to a return, and that still remains the case.

Of course, Shaq and JO could still come back and look 100%.  However, it's still going to take time to get them back into the swing of things, while getting them used to playing with our new guys.  There's simply not a lot of time for that.

So, yeah, I don't think Shaq being in a boot and getting cortisone shots supports the idea that Danny is a genius.  Maybe he'll be ultimately proven right, but that hasn't been the case thus far.

If we win, do I get my TP's that I lost in last years Finals bet?

I think those TPs are in cold storage right now, just waiting to be revived.

[Edgar]

I didn't like the trade, and I still don't like it.  Myself and others predicted that the team would struggle post-trade, and would fall to the #3 seed.  Even though we received more talent (and thus won the trade "on paper"), Danny gutted some of the heart, physicality, and chemistry from this team, and I think that has hurt us and will continue to hurt us. 

All that said, the season isn't over yet.  This stretch has hurt our title chances, but it hasn't eliminated them by any stretch.  There's no denying that there's still a ton of talent on this team, arguably more talent than any other team in the NBA.  It will be on the players and the coaching staff to figure out how to re-gain the magic that they had earlier in the season.  While that may seem improbable to many, it's still a very possible outcome.

Were your predictions based on neither O'Neal playing during that stretch?  How do you think they would have fared if there was no trade with Perk shelved for 3 weeks?  The team was paper thin at the time with barely 8 players available to play.  I don't think you can say the struggles of late back up your claim that they would struggle after the trade.  All of the pieces that Danny factored into his making the trade have yet to play.

I'm not sure that the fact that Shaq and JO are still out with injuries is something that supports the pro-trade position.  If anything, it suggests that Danny miscalculated a bit, and overestimated how healthy Shaq (and perhaps JO) would be.  I mean, a lot of us were skeptical at the time that Shaq and JO were close to a return, and that still remains the case.

Of course, Shaq and JO could still come back and look 100%.  However, it's still going to take time to get them back into the swing of things, while getting them used to playing with our new guys.  There's simply not a lot of time for that.

So, yeah, I don't think Shaq being in a boot and getting cortisone shots supports the idea that Danny is a genius.  Maybe he'll be ultimately proven right, but that hasn't been the case thus far.

If we win, do I get my TP's that I lost in last years Finals bet?

I think those TPs are in cold storage right now, just waiting to be revived.

That makes my heart  sing.

[jdpapa3]

We could have gotten Parker certainly.

Do you think so? I'm not entirely sure, but it makes sense we could've gotten him.

I'm also thinking that Parker may be past it. A shooter that doesn't even shoot all that well anymore (51% TS) and 35 years old. Of course a victim of poor teammates this season, but the Celtics bench is showing that they aren't the best unit at finding people open shots. Green's shot creation is something we've lacked.

I'm also looking at his defensive numbers on Synergy and seeing a lot of "below average" and "average" rankings, specifically being "average" at isolation D and "below average" at closing out spot up shooters and defending off screen plays.

Also don't think we could've matched Memphis' Thabeet and future first rounder for Battier. Morey's about collecting assets. His current spell in the D League doesn't tell me anything. They had Patrick Patterson down there as well this season. Also, the pick will probably be a 14-20 pick in 2013. Better value than anything we had, imo.